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Onward to 3.5. Get these big ol' recoveries (of which I'm guilty of abusing) outta my game! When Marth has the WORST recovery among the characters I play, you have made a mistake.
I feel like 3.0 was the patch that gave most of the cast stupid **** to compete with Fox, whether it was a recovery, projectile, throw, impenetrable neutral game- whatever. I hope most chars get nerfed and Fox gets nerfed with them. I want the game to actually be balanced around melee's high tier this time around.

Or maybe it wasn't 3.0, but the general direction of most of the patches.
 
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I mostly don't like electronica. I like remixes, mashups, and Pink Floyd though, if that counts. I also like nightcore and DSBM, so kill me.
 

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What's the allure of Melee grapples? I could never get the hang of them, and I like the way Brawl handled them; it's much simpler. As far as I can tell, the range you get out of a Melee grapple is much reduced, and this would just make stages like Lylat an instant counterpick-ban for tetherers, severely crippling their ability to actually counterpick a matchup.
Melee grapples can grab edges as well as walls, so Lylat isn't really a counterpick. You just actually need to aim at the ledge rather than auto-snapping like it is now. It makes the Z-tethers less braindead to use while at the same time being much more versatile. Win-win.
 
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No, it makes Lylat an instant ban. Tethers don't just snap to the ledge, they also snap from a distance. You can use your tether when your recovery would otherwise be your only option, but not if you're low on Lylat, as Melee tethers have zero vertical recovery. And tether tech as it is now is far from brainless. Instant tether canceling shenanigans provide for interesting and highly skilled fakeouts.
 

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No, it makes Lylat an instant ban. Tethers don't just snap to the ledge, they also snap from a distance. You can use your tether when your recovery would otherwise be your only option, but not if you're low on Lylat, as Melee tethers have zero vertical recovery. And tether tech as it is now is far from brainless. Instant tether canceling shenanigans provide for interesting and highly skilled fakeouts.
you can air dodge up and tether
samus/link players CP to battle field all the time in Melee and that ledge is much worse for tethers than lylat. You have to hook onto the upper half of the ledge to snap to the ledge instead of jumping. Plus its not like everyone that has a z-tether (minus lucas) doesn't already have a great recovery to make it up to the ledge.

I don't mind PM tethers at all, and I doubt Melee tethers are coming back, but I sorta wish they could.
 

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in which case, your free tether might not be 100% free and you might have to do things when recovering other than mashing l and a in a random direction

if you consider this to be a bad thing, then you are in for a wild ride once the next version comes out
 

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what's L + A gonna do for me, those are both mapped to attack kappa

also, dudebro canon my bae lurve you know the drill
i'm a Tink main
I frequently have to spam AGT to even get in tether range
 

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No, it makes Lylat an instant ban. Tethers don't just snap to the ledge, they also snap from a distance. You can use your tether when your recovery would otherwise be your only option, but not if you're low on Lylat, as Melee tethers have zero vertical recovery. And tether tech as it is now is far from brainless. Instant tether canceling shenanigans provide for interesting and highly skilled fakeouts.
In Melee, if Samus and the Links had to recover deep and there was no wall, they'd double jump and use their Up-B like every other character.

Z-tethers in P:M are just the Mr. Do-It-All unless you're outside the range of the tether and are forced to Up-B. But for someone like Samus, who's already floaty, can recover with bombs, can wall-jump, AND has a gigantic tether....when are you ever not gonna be in range?
 
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In Melee, if Samus and the Links had to recover deep and there was no wall, they'd double jump and use their Up-B like every other character.
And Lylat is the only stage where that is the only choice for Melee tethers. Every other stage gives a recovering Melee tether-er the option to tether, Lylat does not. So instant ban it, as not having that choice is a huge recovery nerf to any Z tether-er who isn't Samus.

Z-tethers in P:M are just the Mr. Do-It-All unless you're outside the range of the tether and are forced to Up-B. But for someone like Samus, who's already floaty, can recover with bombs, can wall-jump, AND has a gigantic tether....there aren't many reasons to not go for it.
Except there's ways to play against tethers. The fact that they get used for unquestioned recoveries isn't because they're too good, it's because the meta for them is new and a lot of players are just figuring said counterplay out. If a player is really only using the tether, then you should hard read that and punish the habit, not assume that they're gonna go for a normal recovery and let them get away with spamming tether.
 
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you've kind of missed the point. it doesn't matter how punishable the tether is if that tether is good enough to where every other recovery option becomes useless

samus has fancy recovery tools, but she doesn't ever need to use them, because she has tether, tether covers many options and can be mixed up in enough ways to make em guess, and that's that
 
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I wish wolf had a tether, or something as good as the number of extra jumps that the links get from AGTs

but nope lol. Oh, you Baired me out of my combo and took my 2nd jump at like 50%? Guess I'm not making it close to the ledge

At least my up-b grabs the ledge frame one, so I can do cool ledge stalls if i do ever make it back to the ledge. at least, before ledge stalls get nerfed/patched out somehow.

I should stop johning and learn to DI better
 

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People go into panic mode too quickly, imagining the worst case scenarios for their favorite character(s).

Why not see what the team is doing about tethers first before assuming they are going to be trash now?
 

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I am pro-trash. also pro-making-kirby-more-aggressive-so-chu-stops-being-a-horrible-person-with-them
 

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I mean, Z-tethers in P:M are at least better than Brawl's, so that's great and all, but it always seemed like a temporary solution until they could finally implement the wall grapples, at least to me anyway.

Up-B tethers I'm perfectly fine with of course.
 

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Z tethers having more startlag and endlag is one thing, but I don't think it makes sense for them to be totally different mechanically from Up B tethers.

They should all work the same way no matter what character your using, for the sake of consistency.
 
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Z tethers having more startlag and endlag is one thing . . .
I've never heard this suggestion. It's in line with the suggested nerfs to attacks, though, so at least it's logical.

but I don't think it makes sense for them to be totally different mechanically from Up B tethers.

They should all work the same way no matter what character your using, for the sake of consistency.
Well, all this talk of turning z tethers into Melee tethers (which are objectively worse) is one thing, but turning up b tethers into wall grapple tethers would severly cripple those characters' recoveries.
 

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I am pro-trash. also pro-making-kirby-more-aggressive-so-chu-stops-being-a-horrible-person-with-them
You and me both bro, I just want Kirbys to stop camping the ledge when they have the lead and start playing him like he should be played lmao.
 
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kirby in general should feel more like a aggro jigglypuff. he's genuinely even campier than jigglypuff is, honestly
 

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We should be playing him like Hack or Armada did in Melee, just better cuz better options.
 
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The funniest part about that picture is how M2K's head is overly sized, has a black mans hands, and has no neck... to me, but im probably just hella weird lol.
 
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I mostly don't like electronica. I like remixes, mashups, and Pink Floyd though, if that counts. I also like nightcore and DSBM, so kill me.
its like youre trying extremely hard to have **** taste

EDIT - accidental double post my mistake
 
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