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Eternal Yoshi

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Still disappointed they didn't do something NEW with Lucario's Aura rather than rewarding the user for taking lots of damage.

Like it would be nice if they had the aura reward something else like say a combination of landing and blocking hits while not dying.
 

MechWarriorNY

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Dexterity comes with time my friend, that's all the advice I can offer. When I started playing smash competitively a year ago my hands wouldn't even allow me to wavedash more than 3 times in a row. Since then my tech skill has improved a lot due to all the practicing I did for a while and I can move my hands much faster.

For other games I can't even offer input lol I suck so hard at Marvel and SF. I'm only decent at Melty Blood and that's only at certain times.

Also, let it be known. Every time I occasionally check the Clone Engine Speculation thread I nearly die. The things thrown around in that thread make me either laugh at them or question their existence.
Try practicing your movement options, even the obscure ones, and know their usage to the point where you are so familiar with them that as soon as a situation rises, whether it be to move in range of a punish opportunity, closing gaps, or avoiding a mix up, they happen naturally and by instinct on recognition.

Focus on just playing optimally and make optimal play just second nature.
Of course, gotta practice. The problem isn't my execution(I do some pretty tough stuff in FGCs), it's my consistency, and that my hands trail behind my thoughts. I think I wasn't totally clear with my original post, hmm.

As for my play-style, that's the not the problem at ALL(no one is safe from a 3-2 to 3-0 loss on my good days, shoutouts to my APEX 2014 UMvC3 pool, that **** was almost 100% free), nor are my vidya relevant thought processes at fault here; I adjust VERY quickly, and I see openings just as quickly now, and I think of ruthless exploits at the same speed, i.e. play an incomplete coverage game with Morridoom for 15-20 seconds, and risk at a 40% chance that the next 30 after that will be you watching me play single player.

The main thing here is this; how do I get my hands to do things on my controller at the low ballpark of my thought processes? They're lagging behind hard enough that I know they can be worked on to get closer. An overarching theme here is mental output to physical action, but on command; if I could do that, I'd be in the top 32 of almost every FGC major I entered!
 

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Dude, since when did every other SWF member have an avatar of an anime/manga/w/e thing I know? LOL ****ing Zoids. I forget the "blue" White ligers name though...
 

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Dude, since when did every other SWF member have an avatar of an anime/manga/w/e thing I know? LOL ****ing Zoids. I forget the "blue" White ligers name though...
Liger Zero Jager (hunter) is the blue.
Panzer (tank or armor) is green.
Schneider (cutter) is the orange/red.

If you translate the names from German, it makes them easier to remember them as they all match the definitions.

Edit: Added translations off the top of my head for those who are curious.
 

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This is a bit out of the blue, but what can I do about my hands lagging behind my thoughts a little TOO much(for FGC stuff, but smash too)? If I was more precise/consistent I'd be in the top 32 of every major I went to for that game.
You just gonna play and practice and you just will be fine. If you have trouble doing certain things try setting goals for yourself till you got the muscle memory down. Like for me for example when I was playing Tekken and trying to learn the game and Mishima's notably Heihachi cause he's the hardest Misihima to learn Electric Wind God Fist with but his hitbox for the move is godlike so I would speed at least 4-8 hours a day in training mode for 2 weeks straight before TTT2 came out so I can do electrics so I would have to get the muscle memory down so my hands can know when I press the DF and right punch at the same frame so I can get it as well as watching alot of videos on it. You just gonna grind it out man.
 

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Liger Zero Jager (hunter) is the blue.
Panzer (tank or armor) is green.
Schneider (cutter) is the orange/red.

If you translate the names from German, it makes them easier to remember them as they all match the definitions.

Edit: Added translations off the top of my head for those who are curious.
I knew the other 2. Panzer is my personal favorite EASY. lol

In-depth reply time!
"You just gonna play and practice and you just will be fine. If you have trouble doing certain things try setting goals for yourself till you got the muscle memory down. "
It's not that I can't do tough inputs(my BnBs in marvel are pretty complex LOL), it's that I can't do them fast enough for my envisioned solutions to in-game crap to happen right about 50+% of the time(when they do work right people say I delivered an "upset" or "fluke". Oh, how fate is responding to such temptation...

*tekken stuff*
I've done the practice/frame data research/all of that.
It all comes back to my hands not moving fast/precisely enough, because I KNOW they can; otherwise more than 25% of my favorite YT vids to look back on and say "that was some good **** I did, how do I not choke after landing that?"etc while viewing would never have existed.

"You just gonna grind it out man." The only way I've done it when I wanted Ws.

It's not a muscle memory thing(they know by now; 5+ years will do that); I think an ideal comparison would be familiar to any Gundam Wing fan: I'm Zechs, and my hands are Tallgeese 1. Tallgeese 1 is no longer enough, what is Epyon for me?
 
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Kirks#1Fan

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I'm surprised you guys talk about a lot of good players, but Kirk's name never comes up.
 

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I'm surprised you guys talk about a lot of good players, but Kirk's name never comes up.
We dont need to talk about a player to know that he's good, im confident that most of us here acknowledge kirk as an amazing player.


Edit: oh and welcome to this random thread that has no purpose in life; even though I cherish this thread :3
 

Kirks#1Fan

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We dont need to talk about a player to know that he's good, im confident that most of us here acknowledge kirk as an amazing player.


Edit: oh and welcome to this random thread that has no purpose in life; even though I cherish this thread :3
Thanks for the welcome at least. :)
 

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MechWarriorNY

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Oh and welcome to this random thread that has no purpose in life; even though I cherish this thread :3
Having no purpose is bait to look for one; or ask for it. I do love giving back, when I can...
 

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Minneapolis is picking its scene back up again! I'll be streaming the first of its triweekly series this weekend on my channel, www.twitch.tv/standardtoaster. There's about 34 entrants for Project M and 41 entrants for Melee not including any stragglers who may register at the venue. We'll probably be kicking off the event starting with melee doubles around noon CST, followed by melee singles around 1:30pm, and Project M singles will start around 6pm. Quite a few unknown players will be in attendance. hopefully some of them may surprise people! :D
 

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G Gundam is one of my PM menu themes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-nnK0HElto

Speaking of Gundams, DO NOT go back and watch Gundam Wing. It's sort of like going back to Goldeneye 64. Just keep the nostalgia glasses on.

Endless Waltz might be okay though..
Yo G Gundam was godlike I have like 3 of the songs on my Lylat Cruise stage for my Project M music list. Also speaking of Lucario and fighters and what not, he should some HNK( Fist of the North Star) baskeball type combos and insta kills :troll: .

If any of you never witness the awesomeness of the HNK fighting game you need to watch the greatest HNK match ever seen be wary that the commentary is in Japanese though.

 

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Yo G Gundam was godlike I have like 3 of the songs on my Lylat Cruise stage for my Project M music list. Also speaking of Lucario and fighters and what not, he should some HNK( Fist of the North Star) baskeball type combos and insta kills :troll: .

If any of you never witness the awesomeness of the HNK fighting game you need to watch the greatest HNK match ever seen be wary that the commentary is in Japanese though.

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED FROM- ATATATATATATATATATATATAAHHHH
 

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how the **** did you swap out the top half of that wiimote for a black part, for the life of me I couldn't find any other screw near the front, only the four by the battery compartment, but it pretended like there was one near the front and I didn't want to force it open for fear of stripping the screw or breaking something
 

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The Wiimotes are stuck together very tightly even with no screws. You kind of have to pry it open after unscrewing it. Though after you do it once taking them apart any time in the future is cake. It's like they're glued shut or something.
 

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how the **** did you swap out the top half of that wiimote for a black part, for the life of me I couldn't find any other screw near the front, only the four by the battery compartment, but it pretended like there was one near the front and I didn't want to force it open for fear of stripping the screw or breaking something
it's not mine haha. the pic is from sobameshi's twitter
 

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Does anyone here play UMvC3? I need a 3rd opinion on if I can feasibly win tourneys(beating my foes is settled).
 
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Of course, gotta practice. The problem isn't my execution(I do some pretty tough stuff in FGCs), it's my consistency, and that my hands trail behind my thoughts. I think I wasn't totally clear with my original post, hmm.
Consistency is one of the hardest issues to resolve in smash. I'll try to do a brief version of how to deal with it.

First, understand that how you play varies because people vary over time. Some days you have good days, some not. There's a physical aspect and a mental aspect to this (anyone who has read my writing knows I try to stay as far away from the mental aspect as possible). But it has a lot of merit here, so we need to address it.

Physical:

- Practice often, rust is a real thing.
- When you practice, do drills rather than free play. Practice one specific thing at a time, and practice only useful things. Ex. If you want to practice chaingrabs, you have no reason to wall jump, ever. Don't do it. Just practice the CG.
- After you play at a smash session, write down how well your tech skill felt to you, what you ate that day, and how much sleep you had. It's okay to be general. Just do it like a dozen times and start looking for trends. For example, I used to pound energy drinks at tournaments, but it made me play much worse so I stopped doing it. Look for things like this.
- Also, write down your emotional state when you are playing well. Look for trends in how you feel when you play well.

Mental:

When you know what mental state helps you play well, try remembering 3 different non-smash occasions that made you feel that way. Write down those occasions and try to describe them to someone that did not experience it, kind of like a journal entry. Then, close your eyes and imagine putting yourself into those situations when you felt that emotional state. Then, do an action that lets you anchor those emotions to a physical action. The physical action lets you access that mental state as if you're hitting a button. Due to how humans are wired, you can develop this button over time to be more and more effective. So I'll give an example:

Let's say that I'm an inconsistent player, but when I play well, I generally feel very cocky and boisterous. I have also felt cocky and boisterous when meeting girls, driving with friends, or out hiking on park trails. I try to remember the times I was meeting girls, driving with friends, or walking park trails and what it felt like to me in my memory. While I do this, I snap my fingers. Doing this anchors those experiences together, and when I snap my fingers it makes me feel cocky and boisterous. In turn, I play that way and my tech skill improves because I was able to fix my emotional state.

Last but not least, if you're still having issues with tech skill, you may simply be trying things that are more difficult than the tools you need to be using. It's a perfectly fine choice to dumb down your play a bit, since forfeiting margin by doing something wrong is certainly worse than doing nothing and foregoing a lost opportunity. Over-extending is very bad in smash in a general way. That's probably why when you see melee players trying PM and they don't know what to do, they just don't even try anything.
 
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