Project M Social Thread Gold

[PlateProp]

Nintendo is pretty much the only company that hasnt completely fallen into that trend yet. Except maybe with mario kart 8. I feel like they could have had at least two more cups in there, but the one's we got were still really high quality

 

[Deleted member]

am I doing it right

wanna play smash later? probs skipping IaB

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

And now I ask you this: why, then, don't they go the freemium way?

As of now the freemium format has gained notoriety due to a lot of factors:

Abuse and exploitation from games like Final Fantasy: All The Bravest, Dungeon Keeper Mobile, Star Trek Trexels, Kim Kardashian Holywood and more by having very little substantial gameplay or content with a lot of paywalls and waiting. This was "parodied" in South Park.
Freemium games also have crossed quite a few lines and have been accused of bribing and manipulating kids into spending all of their parents money, among other things. This was also "parodied" in South Park.
Then again that hasn't stopped some AAA from adpoting the format, even though the game is $60, such as Dead Space 3.
All those games have gotten backlash for doing so.
Assassin's Creed Unity would be another example if the backlash from the unfinished release didn't force them to put out almost all of that DLC for free as an apology.
All this combined has caused hardcore and more dedicated console/handheld/PC/traditional gamers to generally avoid the format like the plague.
Basically, if freemium continues this way, the format will slowly die completely like the rhythmn genre years ago.

Nintendo is pretty much the only company that hasnt completely fallen into that trend yet. Except maybe with mario kart 8. I feel like they could have had at least two more cups in there, but the one's we got were still really high quality

Yeah what Nintnedo is doing great with DLC is good now, but then again, so was the industry(mostly) in 2008/9 when DLC started to become ubiquitous in the 7th gen. I hope Nintendo actually pays attention to the rest of the industry to not fall into this trap of bad DLC practices years later, but then again, I doubt they will....

 

[Bleck]

I can understand people not being excited for Splatoon if I assume that they're in fact soulless husks incapable of feeling

 

[steelguttey]

omfg that ****ing big blue

tHAT HORN SECTION UNGHH

 

[DethM]

DLC can be a good thing.

It's just been being used in the wrong ways recently.

 

[Deleted member]

wanna play smash later? probs skipping IaB

Yeah, if I'm not doing anything later, I'd just need a ride from my apt and back

 

[Sandfall]

DLC can be a good thing.

It's just been being used in the wrong ways recently.

Nintendo has been pretty spot on with their DLC from what I've seen. It's all been really, really good and reasonably priced imo.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I don't like the entire DLC concept. Just wait for putting in everything so you can make extra money from it?

 

[MechWarriorNY]

For anyone that's currently wearing them, please, take off your nostalgia goggles.
Also,

^Stop doing that.

 

[PlateProp]

The only DLC that generally is plain withheld is on disk content. Games are generally finished about 3ish months before hand (they dont produce thousands of copies instantaneously lol) and devs have started on the dlc by then, but people think it's withheld because the dlc is like semi finished by the time the game actually comes out and the devs have video of it

 

[DethM]

I've found my Soul Caliber 5 main, guys.

 

[Exodo]

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Spoiler

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[DethM]

For anyone that's currently wearing them, please, take off your nostalgia goggles.
Also,

^Stop doing that.

Because anyone who thinks that something from the past is better than the current products is just being nostalgic, right? Why should we ever listen to their opinion, right? They should just shut up and get with the times.


>In a Project M thread.

 

[Soft Serve]

Because anyone who thinks that something from the past is better than the current products is just being nostalgic, right? Why should we ever listen to their opinion, right? They should just shut up and get with the times.


>In a Project M thread.

The M currently stands for Splatoon though

 

[Helsong]

I don't think it's whining to complain about practices and market forces that are making my favorite entertainment industry go down the toilet. Although those that demand the same sort of business practices as a decade ago when making games today definitely have some nostalgia shades on. Games back then cost way less to make and needed way less manpower. When you've gotta pay an entire gaming studio today, you need to make lots and lots of money, which means loads of post-release content.

A lot of these attitudes are also borne from a lack of knowledge of conditions or practices in the game industry itself(see: people complaining about DLC that comes out close to the original release date).

Also, Inkling better end up in Smash eventually, in some form or another. The design is too interesting to not explore in that sort of setting.

 

[Comeback Kid]

There is a difference between I think this current game is bad and here's why and the gaming industry is **** because something something DLC and in my day this and that.

 

[PlateProp]

Beowulf is fkin amazing

On a side note, is there anyone who plays skullgirls here because they need to add me so we can platonically smash one another with consent

 

[Helsong]

There is a difference between I think this current game is bad and here's why and the gaming industry is **** because something something DLC and in my day this and that.

To be fair, the gaming industry is kind of ****, but it's not because of DLC practices. Those practices are a symptom, not the cause.

 

[Gunla]

Beo's sweet.

I'm patiently waiting for Beep Boop Meow, however.

 

[Draco_The]

As of now the freemium format has gained notoriety due to a lot of factors:

Abuse and exploitation from games like Final Fantasy: All The Bravest, Dungeon Keeper Mobile, Star Trek Trexels, Kim Kardashian Holywood and more by having very little substantial gameplay or content with a lot of paywalls and waiting. This was "parodied" in South Park.
Freemium games also have crossed quite a few lines and have been accused of bribing and manipulating kids into spending all of their parents money, among other things. This was also "parodied" in South Park.
Then again that hasn't stopped some AAA from adpoting the format, even though the game is $60, such as Dead Space 3.
All those games have gotten backlash for doing so.
Assassin's Creed Unity would be another example if the backlash from the unfinished release didn't force them to put out almost all of that DLC for free as an apology.
All this combined has caused hardcore and more dedicated console/handheld/PC/traditional gamers to generally avoid the format like the plague.
Basically, if freemium continues this way, the format will slowly die completely like the rhythmn genre years ago.

The thing is that it's not dying but evolving. Just take a look at Clash of Clans' numbers. I don't remember the exact number, but an editor of TouchArcade told me that the percentage of people that actually buy in-app compared with the total number of players is so damn small is ridiculous, yet it's still even more ridiculous how they still make more money than games that are sold for 60$ with DLC and even some IAP. The potential for even more money is there so it's obvious that it's not going to die. At least not very soon.

There must be a reason for devs not to follow this model. For indie devs is that it's tough for them to balance a freemium game. AG Drive's dev (a F-Zero/WipeOut-like game for iOS which is pretty rad BTW) released a soft-launch (open-beta-like thing for just some countries) and it was pretty obvious that the game was going to be F2P, but before release he switched it because he just didn't know how to make it work.

In big devs case though, they don't only have more experience in this market but also can take risks.

My theory is that they, contrary to people's belief, might actually care about the fanbase, and adding DLC to their games is the only way they have to get enough money to keep pumping them without outright ****ting on the fans with bad practices. Yet people start creating conspirations about how all that content was already made and all that crap and that everything should be free from the very first moment.

You get more content for your game, they keep the games' communities from dying (best example for this I can think of right now would be SF4) and the devs make some money, but because they cost money they are the devil and should disappear.

 

[Draco_The]

Beowulf is fkin amazing

On a side note, is there anyone who plays skullgirls here because they need to add me so we can platonically smash one another with consent

I do. Well, I used to. I had some space problems and had to uninstall every Steam game. Next week I'll probably install it again since I don't have anything high priority to do.

Also, I don't think I have to say who my main is.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

They should just shut up-

YES, they should. Now stop meatriding in their defense(and you won't), you opinionated, pretentious little waste of flesh.
You not gonna, but I'll have at least tried to get to see reason.

This thread should not be one where people are allowed to wangst about things they can't and/or could, but won't change. If you're gonna wangst, go do it on Facebook or something.
Babies.
/massive bias

 

[DethM]

* Incoherent ranting, considering opinion law, insulting without knowing what I'm talking about *

Can we not.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

I'll back down if you back down, boy.

 

[DethM]

I'll back down if you back down, boy.

I can't tell if you're trying to be ironic xD.

Completely serious, too.

Can we all agree not to argue like ****bags here?

 

[Binary Clone]

I'll back down if you back down, boy.

 

[Player -0]

He's STILL double posting. Infract pls. Do it doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit

 

[DethM]

The episode that gif is from is actually quite good.

 

[Gunla]

@ MechWarriorNY
@ D DethM
It'd be better to agree to disagree than argue in case such as this.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

"The percentage of people that actually buy in-app compared with the total number of players is so damn small is ridiculous"?
This sounds JUST LIKE that South Park episode: Freemium isn't Free.
For them to be making that kind of money, that small % must be the spending lots and lots of money, like the "whales" that casinos describe and thrive on.

Edit: I HATE that term. It's the kind of term Eddy would use instead of pigeons.

 

[DethM]

He's STILL double posting. Infract pls. Do it doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit

Yes, let's ban someone for posting twice (without actually spamming) instead of the one who insults someone, or the one who writes "doit" 500 times.

 

[PlateProp]

"The percentage of people that actually buy in-app compared with the total number of players is so damn small is ridiculous"?
This sounds JUST LIKE that South Park episode: Freemium isn't Free.
For them to be making that kind of money, that small % must be the spending lots and lots of money, like the "whales" that casinos describe and thrive on.

Edit: I HATE that term. It's the kind of term Eddy would use instead of pigeons.

Called Ad Revenue

 

[DethM]

@ MechWarriorNY
@ D DethM
It'd be better to agree to disagree than argue in case such as this.

Yeah, I'll just calm down for the moment.

My b.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Called Ad Revenue

I seriously feel like there's more to it than that though.
Ad revenue alone can't sustain the mentioned game...

 

[Player -0]

You've posted twice in a row at least 3 times in the matter of not even half of a day. It's been asked for you to stop too.

 

[Lizalfos]

If it's associated you can quick login with the Smashboards button

Make the search function work on Smashboards mobile. It does on Squidboards.

 

[Draco_The]

"The percentage of people that actually buy in-app compared with the total number of players is so damn small is ridiculous"?
This sounds JUST LIKE that South Park episode: Freemium isn't Free.
For them to be making that kind of money, that small % must be the spending lots and lots of money, like the "whales" that casinos describe and thrive on.

Edit: I HATE that term. It's the kind of term Eddy would use instead of pigeons.

There are definetely whales out there. Heck, Glu didn't add a 500$ weapon or something like that to Gun Bros just because. But I don't think that whole percentage is only made of such people. The total number of players is VERY high because of the "free" tag, so even with the percentage being so low it's still a good number of people spending money on a game.

Also, that South Park episode was actually pretty on point.

 

[DethM]

Oh, no. How will you survive?

 

[Binary Clone]

posting twice (without actually spamming)

That is spamming