Project M Social Thread Gold

[PlateProp]

Yeah I don't know what that is aside for a meeting I have with my guidance counselor or the first result on google. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interior_gateway_protocol I dislike acronyms, but I suppose Squirtles have plenty of terrible ones.

lgp is a capture card

 

[PootisKonga]

Just joking I top platform camp against garbo-teir characters.

While I know that Bowser is pretty bad compared to the rest of the cast, I'm finding your manner of speech slightly reprehensible in some part of my mind. My previously positive opinion of you is starting to diminish despite me knowing full well that such a reaction is the point of these inflammatory remarks you are making

 

[~Dad~]

hey guys look I got a cute teeny falco c:



gonna find a teeny squirtman and put 'em both on my controller somehow

 

[SpiderMad]

hey guys look I got a cute teeny falco c:

View attachment 38736

gonna find a teeny squirtman and put 'em both on my controller somehow

send me one

I need to order Lenticular lens business cards with Falco shining and convert that into a necklace

 

[robosteven]

Who is gushers is he you??

Edit: PMS what is your deinterlacing method of choice?

I'm not even there, I couldn't make the drive to Framingham because snow my dad wouldn't let me leave the house.

Next week I'll actually be there, I promise.

 

[Soft Serve]

http://www.twitch.tv/makerhouse

JimJamFlimFlam Commentating doubles, Ft. team POOPFEAST

my god I'm dying

 

[PsionicSabreur]

I understand where you're trying to go, but in reality it's not quite that simple. In the specific scenario you're suggesting, ftilt is actually far too slow to punish literally *any* character's attempt at WD in -> grab. Ftilt's current usage is mostly limited to tech chasing and walling semi- to fast-falling opponents when they're already cornered near an edge. In this scenario and most others, the Bowser player is much better off using jab1 into one of its many possible followups.

Whiff punishment is a great niche, but it only actually works for moves that are sufficiently fast to do so, or against moves that are themselves very laggy. Bowser's upB, for example, is a great whiff punishment move because of the iframes and its speed

Well, I mean, at what point was this conversation strictly holding to "but in reality?" I thought the point of this particular branch-off was more about whether Bowser's strengths are meaningful or could be meaningful without significant redesign.

Ftilt starts at frame 12. A lot of really excellent pokes are as slow as frame 6-8, and +4-6 frames real-time is significant, but not to the point of being dysfunctional. FAF on whiff for grabs is 30 without any pre-grab mobility taken into account. As I said, what makes it slow isn't the move itself as much as Bowser creating the whiff-space too slowly, so getting that whiff in the first place is more difficult for less reward. Shave a few frames off of his travel time and ftilt wind up and you've got a meaningful option.
Ftilt would be worth going for on a high % opponent, or if more range than jab was needed, or if aerial coverage would be preferable since jab doesn't cover Bowser's head very well, or if you want more shield damage/pushback. It's how tradeoffs in move properties work, and it's not inherently bad design.

Wordcloud

"much Bowser"
Seems accurate.

 

[Lizalfos]

http://www.twitch.tv/makerhouse

JimJamFlimFlam Commentating doubles, Ft. team POOPFEAST

my god I'm dying

This didn't disappoint

While I know that Bowser is pretty bad compared to the rest of the cast, I'm finding your manner of speech slightly reprehensible in some part of my mind. My previously positive opinion of you is starting to diminish despite me knowing full well that such a reaction is the point of these inflammatory remarks you are making

Bingo. Really tho I have a feeling Bowser will always be susceptible to being severely outplayed.

If Falcon is Fast and hard hitting, and he is still a mediocre character, how will Bowser ever be slow, hard hitting, and manage to be viable. I just don't see it.

And Falco will always dominate the matchup.

 

[wiztick]

quick i need to win quickly and easily in smash 4!!!!!!!!!! who do i use!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: FREE FOR ALL SITUATION

EDIT 2: GODDAMMIT AND ITEMS

edit nvm: i need to use link just ignore my insanity at this point

 

[DrinkingFood]

Who are you and what have you done with @ wiiztec

 

[Hylian]

Bowser's design is hugely, unnecessarily polarizing due to his being 'MURICA sized, his dependence on the armor mechanic (and a few very centralizing moves - nair, fair, dash attack), and his lack of available counterplay against dash dancing and grabs (notably, no means of hindering or discouraging dashdancing such as a projectile or low-commitment neutral options, and no remotely usable spotdodge), which collectively render him incredibly frustrating to crack for some characters, and a complete joke for others - hinging mostly on

1. how good the other character's grab game/followups are
2. whether or not it's a fast faller
3. whether or not the other character has moves with extreme rewards for precision (such as Zelda's kicks, the Knee, Ivy's upB, etc) that aren't actually remotely difficult to land on Bowser.

Bowser's still in a better state than he's ever been, but this stuff should be pretty straightforward to fix without making Bowser too strong.

*Asks what is wrong about IC's design.*

*Gets told a bunch of stuff about bowsers design.*

-.-.

 

[Mansta]

*Asks what is wrong about IC's design.*

*Gets told a bunch of stuff about bowsers design.*

-.-.

The next step is Bowser Climbers.

 

[| Kailex |]

I wonder if I should follow the meiling route and change my name, because Ive only done it for mei mei in the first place.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

@ Leafeon
new tag

Kreygasm

Makes me wanna name change to an eevolution.

 

[robosteven]

*Asks what is wrong about IC's design.*

*Gets told a bunch of stuff about bowsers design.*

-.-.

After playing a bunch of IC games, I figure their only problem atm is the turnaround bug. Am I wrong or is there more to it that I don't get?

 

[Mansta]

Oh yeah on the topic of name changes I changed mine to the weeb name I use in Persona games a few days ago.
It's literally just Mansta8

 

[Saito]

@ Leafeon
new tag

This *****.

Go back to tail.

Makes me wanna name change to an eevolution.

Lel.

Might as well get the whole PMS to be them.

 

[Leafeon]

@ Leafeon
new tag

Kreygasm

the person who currently has the original isn't even email verified
I wonder if there's a way to steal it

 

[robosteven]

the person who currently has the original isn't even email verified
I wonder if there's a way to steal it

just do what @ Frost | Odds did

 

[Leafeon]

just do what @ Frost | Odds did

lame

I'm gonna wait like a month since Hylian already knows someone wants it and it's unverified, and see if he'll mangle some strings if it stays unverified

Been using the pure Leafeon on smashladder though

 

[Saito]

You should only be allowed to use that tag if @ Jolteon and @Umbreon accept you willingly.

 

[SpiderMad]

*Asks what is wrong about IC's design.*

*Gets told a bunch of stuff about bowsers design.*

-.-.

He said his not their.

And did removal of a 2nd tether without becoming grounded screw over all of your Link ledge stuff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yZaBPp5ZF0#t=15

 

[Leafeon]

You should only be allowed to use that tag if @ Jolteon and @Umbreon accept you willingly.

Jolteon accepted me ;~;
idk about Umbreon
but what about @Flareon you know they still log in right

 

[Hylian]

He said his not their.

And did removal of a 2nd tether without becoming grounded screw over all of your Link ledge stuff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yZaBPp5ZF0#t=15

Nope I just altered it . I don't tether anymore and just AGT in such a way that I grab the ledge on the way up and can then jump off and grab my bomb again.

 

[wiiztec]

Who are you and what have you done with @ wiiztec

I've not been done with by anyone. Who were you talking to anyway?

 

[~Dad~]

I still really want @Dad

mods pls he's been gone for years, and was active for like a month




look at this waste

 

[| Kailex |]

Even @Kailex , a waste of users.

 

[Yung Mei]

I wonder if I should follow the meiling route and change my name, because Ive only done it for mei mei in the first place.

do it because i told you to

 

[| Kailex |]

do it because i told you to

I-If you say so...
Ill think of what should I change it to.

 

[Frost | Odds]

*Asks what is wrong about IC's design.*

*Gets told a bunch of stuff about bowsers design.*

-.-.

*Never said anything was wrong with ICs' design in the first place*

Hylian pls

Also, sorry. One track mind, I guess.

Now that you bring it up, though, I think it might be problematic that there's a character that's fundamentally immune to grabs from a lot of other characters (cough, nobias), but, we'll see once the rest of us get to play with their fixed version.

My suspicion is that they'll get slept on super hard until some joker realizes that most of the cast is floaty and the IC's are pretty good at killing that extremely early. Because Puff needed more new and exciting ways to be terrible.

They'd be a cool secondary, I can't wait until they're actually released.

Edit: HAHAHAHAH HOLY CRAP THIS IMAGE IS AMAZING FOR TWO WORD DERBY

"much Bowser"
"extremely game"
"useless Koopa"
"increase opponents"
..."actually decrease"
"possible Ganon"
"really Falco"
"give hit"
"punish time"
"spacing get"

I'm probably too easily amused, but oh god my sides

 

[Lizalfos]

Now That PMS has died, let's make a new tag.

P:M:S

There! Now it is properly punctuated for Strong Bad.

 

[DrinkingFood]

I've not been done with by anyone. Who were you talking to anyway?

quick i need to win quickly and easily in smash 4!!!!!!!!!! who do i use!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: FREE FOR ALL SITUATION

EDIT 2: GODDAMMIT AND ITEMS

edit nvm: i need to use link just ignore my insanity at this point

 

[Yung Mei]

I-If you say so...
Ill think of what should I change it to.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

 

[Lizalfos]

Oracle made it All Star mode so he could cheese Lunchables with his Rob. CONSPIRICY I TELL YOU.

 

[MonkUnit]

hey guys look I got a cute teeny falco c:

View attachment 38736

gonna find a teeny squirtman and put 'em both on my controller somehow

https://www.etsy.com/listing/176909549/pokemon-charms

 

[GP&B]

yeeeeeeeee

Spoiler

 

[PlateProp]

yeeeeeeeee

Spoiler

GOD DAMMIT MONSTER HUNTER ISINT ON THE SHOP BUT MM IS ****KKK

 

[Hylian]

I still really want @Dad

mods pls he's been gone for years, and was active for like a month




look at this waste
View attachment 38772

I wish I got Hylian.

...

...

oh wait..

Good thing I joined in 2004 :D.

Invent a time machine scrubs.

 

[Leafeon]

I wish I got Hylian.

...

...

oh wait..

Good thing I joined in 2004 :D.

Invent a time machine scrubs.

That seems like a terrible idea
no PM? Good lord why would I even be here
my character sucks in melee

 

[Jolteon]

You should only be allowed to use that tag if @ Jolteon and @Umbreon accept you willingly.

I approve of the glorious eeveelution army.

Also oh man I've been meaning to get accessories to help identify my controller forever, keep procrastinating on it because I've been changing controllers for at least the past year. I want a jolteon sticker on the controller and a fox keychain on the plug :3