Project M Social Thread Gold

[ZeldaFan01]

First of all, do we REALLY need three Samuses?

OH no. I mean, the ones on my sig, I think, deserved to be playable. Also Phosphora and Magnus. I also really wanted Dark Link from Twilight Princess even though he's not an assist

 

[ELI-mination]

Interview with Frozen: http://www.twitch.tv/messinyc

 

[Lizalfos]

The 3ds version doesn't tell me where trophies are from.

Ruins the whole game.

 

[shairn]

Smush ROB is weird, with his nair autocancel dtilt shenanigans.

 

[CORY]

I mean, if you look at my location, it says I'm in Texas.

Even if you cant read it, you can just click on it.

Also, Dallas is like 4 hours away.

No-go atm.

I don't pay attention to stuff like "location". What kind of scrub do you take me for?

And not even for regionals? Like aftershock or stuff like that?

 

[Soft Serve]

my crew's name is Poop Feast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lho2e87Fqe8 <-- Didn't play in that one, although my commentary is **** lol, watch it on mute.

The next week vs a different crew I took 8 stocks though, no stream.

We're not even that bad, we have Medz (and Axe, but he isn't allowed to enter crew battles because that'd be stupid)

P F B O Y S

 

[SpiderMad]

@ SpiderMad
Yeah, I rather meant a list sorting them by usefulness, because there is a continuum of usefulness.
I want to use them in my games but I'm not sure what is possible and what is good, so to speak.
One general problem I see with early aerials is that most characters' aerials can be punished before the second aerial comes out, so one can't spam them like crazy. I try to view it as in a mixup game between early aerials, late aerials and other options (grounded ones and tomahawk), in which the ability to throw out a 2nd aerial for the early aerial strategy equals a buff, and the resulting Nash equilibrium will swing a bit more into favour of early aerials.

About the applied gravity, to be honest, I'd like it a lot better if they made it like in Melee, not because I like Melee so much but because one could vary the jump height much better, as it can kinda works as a "super short hop", the same for the reduced full jump. I'd actually prefer that option you can actively choose by using the aerial 1st instead of 2nd frame much better from a tech and design perspective. It is a shame though that many of the early aerials would not be possible then... There might be the possibility to let the player choose by an additional input (maybe in jumpsquat), but that also had a negative side, because it goes against the "simple rules->complex metagame" elegance. I could appreciate that, but it shouldn't be the standard way to handle a difference between a Melee feature and a feature used in previous P:M versions.

I find it a bit sad that there are so few moves that you can autoland with (while passing through a platform). There is MK's nair and kind of Snake's dair, but that one is not a continuous hitbox so it only counts half. Together with dropcancels (which are 14 moves this version iirc, and they can only be good if both players are on platforms), this is my true love, as early aerials are yours, and I just get so much less of it. I think more spinning nairs with a spin component around x- or z-axis (Wolf's, Pikachu's, Ivysaur's, Kirby's, Lucas', Sonic's and Squirtle's) should be given this possibility.

I am also considering doing tech and metagame videos (maybe not in the next days/weeks but long-term, especially if my greed for PM increases with upcoming patches), any recording tips?

Just as a side note, should I use a post colour or is standard fine? When some posters use it it looks ridiculous, for others (especially Kadano) it gives their posts an even better touch.

By the way, what do you think of crouch-cancelling, as there was some debate going on about it. The mechanic helps the game somtimes and hinders it at other times. To name examples, it allows a player at lower %s to have an advantage in the neutral game, which could be considered good because percentages can swap so quickly that it is a good way of turning the previous results in actual advantages. Also, it helps depolarizing a lot of matchups where walling out could be a bigger issue otherwise. On the other hand, it renders half the cast's jab and some tilts useless, which is taking potential depth away. It could also be one of the reasons why some big characters' matchups are polarized, because their strength in CCs makes it very grabintensive and characters which can do that have an advantage while others have a disadvantage (other factors play a role of course, but the polarization effect is there). Also it is shifting the mixup game even more in favor of grab, and just from my intuition I'd think it is a tiny bit too shifted towards grab right now. I would neither completely let it as it is nor remove it for above reasons.
- One could induce an animation of constant length after the CC, but now only the quick moves will be the only CC punishes which are guaranteed, and that is not wanted because a read shouldn't only give you access to 5-framers or faster. There is also a risk because faster moves succeed in so many aspects that it will cause balancing problems
- ASDI distance reduction so it only works at lower %s than now: will reduce both positive and negative aspects and is therefore not a real solution
- Finding a way to lower the weight/CC-ability curve: Something said by many quality posters and strong players is that in Melee, it wasn't a problem because heavy characters were mostly bad, and the effect was wanted for lighter ones. By lowering the curve one would effectively fight those "overdimensional" CC-abilities while still not unifying it, so an advantage is kept. The real problem is how exactly to do it, at best we wouldn't need to change how ASDI works and we wouldn't need to introduce a new variable, but I don't see a concrete way right now.
- Inducing an animation, its length based on any other factors (maybe knockback, percentage, damage or shield damage): Here I actually prefer the shield damage idea (I consider this the most useful of all listed ideas, "last but not least", you know? ). Alternatively there could be a new variable for a move but this should be avoided if possible anyhow. It could also be possible to form a new number depending on several of those, I will mention that later. The animation based on any other factor would have the following advantage: More characters have a move that counters CC which isn't grab (similar to Peach's d-smash, but without the multi-hit being necessary). And since it should be a finesse somehow and the counter-move shouldn't just be the rawest of all, shield damage seems optimal. I will have to put a bit more thought if this messes up CC's and shields advantages and disadvantages over each other. If this happens to be the case, I would suggest one uses a combines quantity which optimizes the functional necessities CCing has to fulfill.
I am very interested what you have to say about this.

Yes it's a mix-up, like this crappy video and it not mentioning Diddy to do Bair Aerial/Side-b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-U2TRH15w#t=95 ; besides the point of combo'ing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7a1U1UfrNw#t=222 (http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread-v3-5.339825/page-1255#post-18070422 ; http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread-v3-5.339825/page-1300#post-18139139 )

What do you mean vary the jump height "much better"? You have to do it frame perfect to do it, not to mention how hard it is when you want/need to do it the 2nd frame to not get it. You can barely actively choose. I asked Dr.PP and it seems no top players have a specific use for it. If I'm throwing out SH ACs I might like it lowering my overall height to get to the ground quicker, but even then you could be really good and just FFall near the end of a 2nd frame one. I can't use this to lower my height for any late aerials or anything of course. It's just making early/double aerials that require you to be on the 1st not work and 2nd frame even harder to time. Same if the thing required you do it on frame 3, doing it frame 1 might lower your height enough to not make that work either (when without it frame 1, 2, and 3 would all let it work); but I'm a noob and didn't figure out the exact amount of air time in frames it reduces (for Falco at least.. it's not more than one or two frames probably)
Also with this, if you have 1 frame of buffer it's only going to make you get the reduced height more consistently; for better or worse.

You can upload your stuff to PMDepot if you wanted. I don't have any recording tips, but if your a bad speaker like me and Kadano you'll want to keep things with text depending on the video; all while playing good music and making things easy to understand (both Kadano kind of loses in his real technical videos, I don't think half of the people watching them understand what they learned with no "wait, what does this mean?" section). I try to tackle that with quizing like at the end of this video;

For combo videos though I got this http://smashboards.com/threads/combo-video-ideas-and-inspiration.370622/

I'm not qualified to dissect Crouch cancelling. Brawl sucked, and you need to be wary of going with what they did. And right now the issue might be more around not knowing when their percent is safe for the move; compared to generally known percents in Melee MUs. And things like Jab to Up-smash isn't exactly highly looked upon to have more of going on.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

I'm waiting for music hacks for the wii u. Then I can finally get rid of the 7 different versions of jungle hijinxs and replace them with some of the beautiful tropical freeze music.
Oh, and I can also add some NEW metroid music that isn't a medley or other m music. Admittedly the title screen medley is good though.

Better be Metal.

It's pretty weird how northeast US always gets the ****tiest blizzards possible, yet at the same time montreal doesn't get as much as a single flake. What's our secret?

Because Tristate...

has no chill.
http://cow.org/csi/

 

[PlateProp]

@ GHNeko you better turn up at aftershock so I can hassle you

 

[SpiderMad]

@ GHNeko you better turn up at aftershock so I can hassle you

What's the button?

 

[PlateProp]

What's the button?

Idk off the top of my head, but there's some button combo you can hold to turn off analog, so that it defaults to brawl settings so replays work

 

[SpiderMad]

Idk off the top of my head, but there's some button combo you can hold to turn off analog, so that it defaults to brawl settings so replays work

Resets your controller, and holding in the analog disables it; doesn't make the digital button's actions transferred to the light press. So it doesn't accomplish much of any of the benefits of light press. Removing your spring does, but in a inferior and vastly different preference type of way. The next best thing when you can't get light press is weakening your spring and hard press and possibly inserting a spacer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHwExc5A5Y#t=169

This guy was told the same thing
http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread.260812/page-877#post-12539559

thanks for mentioning but I didn't know you were referring to this when you said just button, thought there could be some modifier on the controller's motherboard

 

[Grey Belnades]

Here's something for all you nerds.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Your wrestling shtick has been a tired gag for some time, and it's getting annoying fast.
Doubly so for the toilet thing.

/opinion

 

[Johnknight1]

Just like how Socal takes all of Norcals money in bracket




OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH

Good thing I never make it to bracket

Eh we gotta give you SoCal plebeians something for living in the vastly inferior more polluted part of the state (with no water), along with your fellow vastly inferior and polluted beings.

 

[Soft Serve]

Good thing I never make it to bracket

Eh we gotta give you SoCal plebeians something for living in the vastly inferior more polluted part of the state (with no water), along with your fellow vastly inferior and polluted beings.

I'm not socal, I'm AZ, but everything else you said was true

Air quality here in the Pheonix area is **** and the tap water is horrible >.>

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm not socal, I'm AZ, but everything else you said was true

Air quality here in the Pheonix area is **** and the tap water is horrible >.>

Pheonix? Where's that?

But eh, at least it's not deep SoCal status. Good Lord I hated living there.

First weekend I lived there as a kid my brother jumped in our pool, did a lap back and forth, and came back in. He was burnt like a hot dog because it was 130 degrees Fahrenheit outside, and the pool was over 90 degrees Fahrenheit.

My parents had to buy freaking 2 giant blocks of ice put in the pool to lower the temperature, lol.

Edit: Also, at least in AZ you don't have to deal with the Scientologists (mostly in Hollywood) going around in vans that people who are kidnappers drive in movies (gee I wonder why Hollywood would do that). That's the weirdest and creepiest thing.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Your wrestling shtick has been a tired gag for some time, and it's getting annoying fast.
Doubly so for the toilet thing.

/opinion

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Spoiler

There's more to life and bathrooms than just toilets, ya know. <3

 

[SpiderMad]

Cuddle with the toilet IN the bathtub Meiling, or I demand Shadic be reprimanded from the bathroom

 

[GHNeko]

@ GHNeko you better turn up at aftershock so I can hassle you

I don't pay attention to stuff like "location". What kind of scrub do you take me for?

And not even for regionals? Like aftershock or stuff like that?

Aftershock?

 

[Deleted member]

Umbreon's Guide on How To Win at Project M

1. Go to Smashboards

2. Read "Tier List Speculation

3. Quick survey what people have been complaining about the most in the last two weeks

4. Roll that as hard as possible

5. ???

6. Profit

 

[Deleted member]

alright guys, yknow who is DUMB?

BOWSER

HE'S SO OP, HE HAS A SHELL! YKNOW WHO ELSE HAD A SHELL? (actual question)

 

[AuraMaudeGone]

Umbreon's Guide on How To Win at Project M

1. Go to Smashboards

2. Read "Tier List Speculation

3. Quick survey what people have been complaining about the most in the last two weeks

4. Roll that as hard as possible

5. ???

6. Profit

Best.Guide.Ever.

 

[Alakaslam]

Good thing I never make it to bracket

Eh we gotta give you SoCal plebeians something for living in the vastly inferior more polluted part of the state (with no water), along with your fellow vastly inferior and polluted beings.

Colorado river?

Palm Springs has a apm (airborne particulate matter, not actions per minute -_-) concentration of basically nil most of the time.

Also, Hollywood; who do you refer to as inferior?

Finally, Salton Sea.

...

.............

Scratch that

 

[ZiggaWaTT]

alright guys, yknow who is DUMB?

BOWSER

HE'S SO OP, HE HAS A SHELL! YKNOW WHO ELSE HAD A SHELL? (actual question)

I now know why squirtle is OP!

 

[Alakaslam]

Pheonix? Where's that?

But eh, at least it's not deep SoCal status. Good Lord I hated living there.

First weekend I lived there as a kid my brother jumped in our pool, did a lap back and forth, and came back in. He was burnt like a hot dog because it was 130 degrees Fahrenheit outside, and the pool was over 90 degrees Fahrenheit.

My parents had to buy freaking 2 giant blocks of ice put in the pool to lower the temperature, lol.

Edit: Also, at least in AZ you don't have to deal with the Scientologists (mostly in Hollywood) going around in vans that people who are kidnappers drive in movies (gee I wonder why Hollywood would do that). That's the weirdest and creepiest thing.

Where were you, Imperial? Indio?

Hemet?

Coachella (Palm springs Rancho Mirage stuff like that- Indian Wells) are practically paradise and rarely get quite that hot, although August has seen those temperatures.

But to each their own, I imagine some enjoy rain and there are many benefits to it- such as foliage

Whole state been suffering though. The north is actually much shorter on water than the southwest atm. In fact, the aquifer here is renown for the water quality (hint: it isn't negative fame, that's India and Africa)

 

[~Dad~]

I now know why squirtle is OP!

squirtle is OP!

Don't even joke about that.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

It's cold tonight, so...

Stay warm, folks.

Cuddle with the toilet IN the bathtub Meiling, or I demand Shadic be reprimanded from the bathroom

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Oh wow. So petty.

 

[JOE!]

http://new3.fjcdn.com/movies/f0/d1/f0d13c_5433978.webm

GAve me a good chuckle

 

[MechWarriorNY]

http://new3.fjcdn.com/movies/f0/d1/f0d13c_5433978.webm

GAve me a good chuckle

 

[Alakaslam]

Hah! Old man grey!

Answer me this and we shall know whom is more the Imperial traveler:

What is the fastest route from North Shore to Felicity? Where is Winterhaven? From Winterhaven, the fastest route to Borrego Springs? And why does one avoid Westmoreland, yet come as close as possible via Confederate generals?

 

[GHNeko]

http://new3.fjcdn.com/movies/f0/d1/f0d13c_5433978.webm

GAve me a good chuckle

 

[Alakaslam]

Besides what are the NorCal speaking some kind of hypocritical slander?

As if I have not seen your San Fransisco or your Sacramento? (Yes, Sacramento is a dirty place!) Your Fresno, well, maybe that is considered south.

Your Delta as to our Salton sea? What now

Hey

What now

Spoiler

You all have Cupertino, there is a reason Apple is there... Then there is Berkeley, if you are ok with heavy political focus it's not a bad place though I must avoid it- there is Eureka, where the great trees are- and also the Tahoe

The Tahoe is great

But plz

We have the San Diego, we have the Rancho Mirage, we have the Julian, we have the Joshua Tree.

The Joshua tree has been underrated except that one time during the 80's when a rock band decided to stop by.

All of California

All of it

Is

Awesome

...and horrible. We are like a second world country within the U.S., squalor pollution and corruption right next to opulent wealth and paradises.

I like CA too much

 

[PlateProp]

I wish the book to anime process was much faster

Like ffs, at this rate the alicization arc of sao wont be made into anime til i'm like 30 or some **** ;-;

 

[Alakaslam]

If it was made fast it wouldn't be any good.

 

[ZiggaWaTT]

Don't even joke about that.

I now know why wooper is OP!

fixed

 

[zman804]

http://www.twitch.tv/azprojectmelee

Come chill with me, SS and Heysuess IN 60 FPS THOUGH?

 

[PlateProp]

If it was made fast it wouldn't be any good.

Posts like these make me wonder why nameless hasnt established a rigorous caste system where PMS has top privelege and the whole deal is modded by Tinker for the Lulz.