Uhm yeah that is exactly what I did NZA... You come across as being very bitter and jaded NZA, I also reccomended you look at M2K's data if you want to know what Fox really is. Shine comboes into usmash, Marth fair comboes to dair+fair+tipperfsmash+utilt etc. Other characters have reliable kill setups too, shine is dumb, yup won't argue that. It makes Falco's entire character (though that gun is just as necessary that little bird is so damn slow), and really helps Fox out. Anyway I have no desire to pick apart posts and argue over little subjective quirks in each other's arguements. I would consider toning Falco down, shiek got what was needed, and peach is peach, Fox could do with a little less kbgrowth on usmash maybe, but I honestly wouldn't change that much about him. If he starts winning regionals and nationals all over the place in melee and PM then maybe he really does need something more drastic, but a NTSC-PAL middle-ground wouldn't be a bad compromise IMO.
As a side note you kind of exaggerated upsmash, yeah it is the best upsmash in melee, I wasn't arguing that, but if you think it is some kind of free tool with no disadvantage, positional or otherwise... Well, you are wrong. Honestly your closing argument just doesn't make sense within your examples,(really it just sounds like an angry attempt to shout someone down via interwebz) exactly when is jab--->upshamsh or any attempted combo considered a positional disadvantage for the player landing it?
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