pro controller viability

[Foar]

How viable is the pro controller for a game like smash? Does wireless impact gameplay?

 

[Billcarlosbills]

From what I understand, there is some amount of lag (milliseconds). I'm not noticing anything and I've been playing since midnight.

My only gripe with the controller is that I keep trying to hit the c-stick in the GCN position. I find the Pro stick placement unnatural, but that's just me.

 

[popsofctown]

wireless latency amount is fine.

In brawl wireless controllers got some massive interference at big events though.

 

[Foar]

From what I understand, there is some amount of lag (milliseconds). I'm not noticing anything and I've been playing since midnight.

My only gripe with the controller is that I keep trying to hit the c-stick in the GCN position. I find the Pro stick placement unnatural, but that's just me.

Yeah it took me awhile to get used to the awkward analog placement. The shoulder buttons are tough getting used to as well.

 

[Emblem Lord]

As a marth main its legit. The wireless signal is still very fast. You just have to get used to the cstick placement

 

[Conda]

You won't be able to use one at a tournament that's larger than a local smashfest due to very legitimate and real interference issues. So if you plan on going to tournaments, you better get used to a GC controller.

 

[Gidy]

I like it. Though the C-Stick is at a weird placement, if you keep X as a jump button your fingers are much closer to the C-Stick than a gamecube controller thus faster reactions. Also if you wanted to you could claw the C-Stick. It just takes time to get used to.

Also what's this talk about interference?

 

[Supersmashbrothers.]

From what I've played I've been getting what seems like input lag. But only while I'm playing online.
Other than that. Yeah its a good controller. I'd still recommend the GC controller though. Unfortunately I had to download the game due to other shops not getting the game anytime soon.

 

[Foar]

From what I've played I've been getting what seems like input lag. But only while I'm playing online.
Other than that. Yeah its a good controller. I'd still recommend the GC controller though. Unfortunately I had to download the game due to other shops not getting the game anytime soon.

Input lag is minimal for me. Most places had that issue here in Oregon, finding an adapter is impossible right now.

 

[Foar]

You won't be able to use one at a tournament that's larger than a local smashfest due to very legitimate and real interference issues. So if you plan on going to tournaments, you better get used to a GC controller.

So much for the pro title.

 

[ThaPhantom07]

I didn't experience any input lag personally except for playing online but like others have said at big events it will be a problem. It is damn near impossible to find adapters and controllers atm though so it is a frustrating situation.

 

[Supersmashbrothers.]

I didn't experience any input lag personally except for playing online but like others have said at big events it will be a problem. It is damn near impossible to find adapters and controllers atm though so it is a frustrating situation.

I'm starting to like the pro controller.
Also rethinking getting a GC adapter. The Pro controller feels better. And the controls aren't that bad.

 

[W.A.C.]

When playing Smash Bros. at my home, I assume whatever additional input lag I get from a Pro Controller is so minimal that it doesn't really matter, especially since most of us aren't using CRT's and the USB adapters for the GCN controllers probably increase input lag. But at a tournament, do you think it could potentially be a huge problem because of interference? I seriously hope not, because there is no way I'm switching to the GCN controller.

 

[Zarxrax]

From what I've played I've been getting what seems like input lag. But only while I'm playing online.
Other than that. Yeah its a good controller. I'd still recommend the GC controller though. Unfortunately I had to download the game due to other shops not getting the game anytime soon.

Dude, that lag comes from playing online, not from the controller.

 

[Supersmashbrothers.]

Dude, that lag comes from playing online, not from the controller.

That's why I stated that it only happens when I'm online.

 

[Zarxrax]

That's why I stated that it only happens when I'm online.

And thus, the comment was completely irrelevant to the topic you are posting in.
But whatever.

 

[Teran]

When playing Smash Bros. at my home, I assume whatever additional input lag I get from a Pro Controller is so minimal that it doesn't really matter, especially since most of us aren't using CRT's and the USB adapters for the GCN controllers probably increase input lag. But at a tournament, do you think it could potentially be a huge problem because of interference? I seriously hope not, because there is no way I'm switching to the GCN controller.

Get a BenQ monitor dude. Also I hate to say this because having the choice of controller is obviously something we all want, but large scale tournaments tend to ban wireless controllers due to aforementioned interference issues. Let's really hope that's not the case, or maybe hope Nintendo releases wired pro controllers? That's probably an unlikely wish but yeah. Who knows though maybe interference honestly won't be so bad this gen? We can hope.

In any case, GC OG so I'm set, but yeah would be a shame to hamper other players' choices.

 

[Rizen]

Pro controller works fine for me but I dislike the button layout and keep messing up from it. I'm going to get the game cube controller adapter.

 

[Supersmashbrothers.]

And thus, the comment was completely irrelevant to the topic you are posting in.
But whatever.

I've stated my opinion on the controller generally. Thus you are wrong.

 

[W.A.C.]

Get a BenQ monitor dude.

I use LG's Flatron W2361V monitor and it works great for gaming.

Also I hate to say this because having the choice of controller is obviously something we all want, but large scale tournaments tend to ban wireless controllers due to aforementioned interference issues. Let's really hope that's not the case, or maybe hope Nintendo releases wired pro controllers? That's probably an unlikely wish but yeah. Who knows though maybe interference honestly won't be so bad this gen? We can hope.

In any case, GC OG so I'm set, but yeah would be a shame to hamper other players' choices.

Considering how all four of the Wii U's USB ports are likely to be monopolized by GCN controller adapters at tournaments, if they don't allow wireless controllers, that's very concerning. I'm not going to use a GCN controller at a tournament.

 

[Teran]

I use LG's Flatron W2361V monitor and it works great for gaming.

Dat sub 16ms delay tho (10ms)

Considering how all four of the Wii U's USB ports are likely to be monopolized by GCN controller adapters at tournaments, if they don't allow wireless controllers, that's very concerning. I'm not going to use a GCN controller at a tournament.

I doubt all 4 will used for GC controllers, since it's a 2USB > 4GC ratio. Will 8 player teams really be a thing? I can't imagine it. O__o

 

[W.A.C.]

Dat sub 16ms delay tho (10ms)

I've never noticed any input lag with my monitor (that was my monitor's fault) and its refresh rate is 2ms, so I assume the input lag is extremely minimal.

I doubt all 4 will used for GC controllers, since it's a 2USB > 4GC ratio. Will 8 player teams really be a thing? I can't imagine it. O__o

Dunno. 8 player smash is pretty well received by the public, but I have no idea what the competitive community feels about it.

 

[Teran]

I've never noticed any input lag with my monitor (that was my monitor's fault) and its refresh rate is 2ms, so I assume the input lag is extremely minimal.

Response time is generally more related to ghosting unless it's really high. Plus BenQs are 1ms

Yo but tbh that sounds fine it's just when you mentioned CRTs and lag, I thought I'd offer a good HD solution.

Anyway if you ever feel you may need to get a new display in future

http://www.displaylag.com

Dunno. 8 player smash is pretty well received by the public, but I have no idea what the competitive community feels about it.

It looks hilarious but it's essentially team based FFAs, it's too chaotic for fair competition. Also in the same way that in a normal FFA 3 worse players can gang up on and destroy the best player in the match, the 3 worse teams can work to eliminate the biggest threat in the match. Ultimately that makes it unfair since results won't reflect the skill of the teams.

But I mean it looks like amazing fun and I can't wait to try it out lol.

 

[Conda]

You will very likely not be allowed to use a pro controller, interference is an issue. You have been warned. We apologize but yeah.

This is not a grumpy elitist rule to make people sad, its one based on experiences and technological limitation.

wireless latency amount is fine.

In brawl wireless controllers got some massive interference at big events though.

Yup. I too thought it was a silly rule until the first tournament I went to, a yoshi player who used the wiimote and nunchuck had connectivity issues and interference issues the whole time.

The TO did NOT have time to deal with that, it was his problem for bringing a wireless bluetooth controller. The Pro controller is the exact same thing.

 

[Shataraterevar]

Now i want a wired pro controller

 

[Gidy]

If you connect a pro controller to the Wii U does it become wired similar to how to Xbox One controller is?

 

[popsofctown]

I used to use a wii classic controller for brawl. Early on in my career i faced no issues whatsoever. Later on I started consistently experiencing interference at events. I once turned off every other wii mote at the event and still got interference. That coupled with my earlier experiences of no issues makes me think the dominant factor is smart phones, not other wiis. I don't know to what extent smartphone interference is Nintendo's "fault" per se, maybe there's different frequency reservation standards in Japan that and smartphones aren't really supposed to be affecting them, or maybe they are, idk.

When you encounter the issue it will drop 1 frame of input at random once every ten to twenty seconds. 1 frame is enough for it to decide to cancel a dash or drop a shield which are the main issues. If you shorthop constantly with aerials as Wario and never do either of those actions tbh i don't know if it would even affect you besides slowing down a forward drift for just 1 frame or delaying an aerial for 1 frame (you'd still do it because you don't depress the button for just one frame).

Since I wasn't ready to switch over to gamecube controller I started bringing a card board box lined with aluminum to shield interference from my controller. That actually works consistently but it's a pain to bring the box everywhere. It really sucks that I have to use gamecube this time around because I like classic better and especially enjoy the digital Zl button for double jumping and down airing at the same time without tap jump or clawing.

A wired classic controller would be awesome. But, it sucks, sadly you can't easily use a wireless controller for competitive play

 

[Teran]

Just in, you only need the black USB plugged in for your GC controllers to work, the grey is only for rumble. Yay for more free ports! Nice that we don't need to turn off rumble ingame too.

Also if we get hypothetical wired pro controllers the extra ports would be a plus

 

[Gidy]

Just in, you only need the black USB plugged in for your GC controllers to work, the grey is only for rumble. Yay for more free ports! Nice that we don't need to turn off rumble ingame too.

Also if we get hypothetical wired pro controllers the extra ports would be a plus

If you connect a pro controller to the Wii U does it become wired similar to how to Xbox One controller is?

 

[Flamecircle]

I thought pro controllers had better technology or something, and wasn't as susceptible to to the normal wireless flaws?

It would be a shame if we couldn't use the pro controllers. The extra shoulder buttons make a lot of little tricks more applicable.

 

[OddCrow]

I thought pro controllers had better technology or something, and wasn't as susceptible to to the normal wireless flaws?

It would be a shame if we couldn't use the pro controllers. The extra shoulder buttons make a lot of little tricks more applicable.

Yes. This. There would have to be more 100 or so simultaneously going at once to have interference. 100% legal I'd bet

 

[Conda]

If you connect a pro controller to the Wii U does it become wired similar to how to Xbox One controller is?

No, it just charges. It still uses wireless connectivity.

Yes. This. There would have to be more 100 or so simultaneously going at once to have interference. 100% legal I'd bet

There's no facts in this. Truth is wireless controllers cause problems at real tournaments. They are not allowed for a reason. We didn't choose to disallow them for no reason.

I know it is unfortunate that those who want to compete at tournaments will likely have to use a GC controller, but life sucks sometimes. I can't continue bearing the bad news to players when they keep trying to tell TOs that wireless controllers should be legalized.

I don't want to be the bad guy. Thais is just how it is, and trying to figure out a way to convince your TO to legalise them will cause more stress in your life than needed.

(The same way using wireless controllers at a tournament and telling your TO about your intermittent connectivity issues will add too much stress to your TO's life. This happens at bigger events. It happened at Impulse 2013 when I went to commentate, and at a smaller Toronto weekly I attended. Think about the people who will have to deal with your controller issues causing tournament flow problems and match resets etc too.)

Empathy makes the world go round, and I'm exercising it here. I would be using a pro controller too if the above wasn't true.

 

[Flamecircle]

No, it just charges. It still uses wireless connectivity.


There's no facts in this. Truth is wireless controllers cause problems at real tournaments. They are not allowed for a reason. We didn't choose to disallow them for no reason.

If he were right about that though, wouldn't it be fine?

 

[Conda]

Just in, you only need the black USB plugged in for your GC controllers to work, the grey is only for rumble. Yay for more free ports! Nice that we don't need to turn off rumble ingame too.

Also if we get hypothetical wired pro controllers the extra ports would be a plus

Thanks for this info! Super useful. My ethernet adapter + usb drive are taking up the other 2. Woo!

If he were right about that though, wouldn't it be fine?

The wireless tech is nearly identical, if not exactly identical. It's bluetooth tech, so interference from even cellphones is a thing (as mentioned in a post above). There's no reason other than hopefulness to believe the pro controller won't have issues when the wiimote did. It's not unusual at any tournament for wireless to be banned, this is not a Smash only thing. This perspective will make you realise that fast-forwarding to accepting you need a wired controller is the best stress-free thing to do.


I am, however, very open to be proven wrong. That requires a TO testing multiple pro controller use at tournaments they spend time organizing and operating, as well as at larger tournaments with 100 or so attendees. Which will likely not happen.

There's a lot going on at tournaments that can cause a pro controller to start having problems even if it hasnt been for 2 hours prior. It's not a reliable control method, and especially not one worth burdening your TO and fellow attendees with if problems arise, which they will as they do with any wireless constant-connectivity device in heavily saturated areas.

 

[FullMoon]

I can adapt to different controls very quickly so I guess at least I can manage to change from the Pro Controller to the GC in a pinch, still unfortunate that I can't just use the Pro Controller in tournaments.

... Not that I'm going to take part in many, mind you. If at all, I don't even know if we have local tournaments in Brazil, probably not.

 

[LunarNinja]

Sad to hear my main controller option can't be used. I can use a GCC, No problem, I just have to have X as a grab.

 

[option.iv]

Is it possible for Nintendo to force data through USB on the pro controller through a firmware update and not force a bluetooth sync? If that's possible, that'll make Wii U Pro controller viable. Plus they'd sell more Pro controllers as well.

Because as it stands right now, I place the Gamepad/Wii U Pro over the Gamecube controller in this game.

Or maybe in tournament, I'll call dibs on the Gamepad. And for the off chance I run into another strange individual who also wants the gamepad, we'll rock, paper, scissors for it.

 

[Mechageo]

I used to use a wii classic controller for brawl. Early on in my career i faced no issues whatsoever. Later on I started consistently experiencing interference at events. I once turned off every other wii mote at the event and still got interference. That coupled with my earlier experiences of no issues makes me think the dominant factor is smart phones, not other wiis. I don't know to what extent smartphone interference is Nintendo's "fault" per se, maybe there's different frequency reservation standards in Japan that and smartphones aren't really supposed to be affecting them, or maybe they are, idk.

When you encounter the issue it will drop 1 frame of input at random once every ten to twenty seconds. 1 frame is enough for it to decide to cancel a dash or drop a shield which are the main issues. If you shorthop constantly with aerials as Wario and never do either of those actions tbh i don't know if it would even affect you besides slowing down a forward drift for just 1 frame or delaying an aerial for 1 frame (you'd still do it because you don't depress the button for just one frame).

Since I wasn't ready to switch over to gamecube controller I started bringing a card board box lined with aluminum to shield interference from my controller. That actually works consistently but it's a pain to bring the box everywhere. It really sucks that I have to use gamecube this time around because I like classic better and especially enjoy the digital Zl button for double jumping and down airing at the same time without tap jump or clawing.

A wired classic controller would be awesome. But, it sucks, sadly you can't easily use a wireless controller for competitive play

If only the Hori Battle pad, with its digital shoulder buttons, was missing turbo and used GameCube connectors.

 

[KingCowman]

You won't be able to use one at a tournament that's larger than a local smashfest due to very legitimate and real interference issues. So if you plan on going to tournaments, you better get used to a GC controller.

Wasn't there a post that debunked the interference issues for the newest bluetooth version a while back? There are 40 bands if i remember correctly and each can support dozens of simultaneous bluetooth connections.

 

[option.iv]

Wasn't there a post that debunked the interference issues for the newest bluetooth version a while back? There are 40 bands if i remember correctly and each can support dozens of simultaneous bluetooth connections.

Yeah, some people are reporting that you won't get interference unless you have 2500 simultaneous connections.