Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[Joe D.]

This thread has been looking a little sluggish today, so allow me to propose a little activity.

My fellow Cerinians, come up with your best moveset for Krystal! Try and be unique and original also. I don't want to see a million of the same concept, but something that would make me really want to play as her. (Not that I don't want to already )

Also, my night's consisted of me catching up with the Counting Crows, so now you all know that...

MR. JONES AND ME, TELL EACH OTHER FAIRY TAILS. WE STARE AT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, "SHE'S LOOKIN' AT YOU. OH, NO. SHE'S LOOKING AT ME."

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

This thread has been looking a little sluggish today, so allow me to propose a little activity.

My fellow Cerinians, come up with your best moveset for Krystal! Try and be unique and original also. I don't want to see a million of the same concept, but something that would make me really want to play as her. (Not that I don't want to already )

Also, my night's consisted of me catching up with the Counting Crows, so now you all know that...

MR. JONES AND ME, TELL EACH OTHER FAIRY TAILS. WE STARE AT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, "SHE'S LOOKIN' AT YOU. OH, NO. SHE'S LOOKING AT ME."

After seeing so many its hard for me to come up with something new. Lol

 

[Weavel]

Just the moveset from adventures would do her justice. Maybe give her a move that makes it so she can dodge anything temporarily since she can read minds and go neo from matrix on people lol.

I mean she's not telekenetic, but being able to litterily read every decision her enemies make would trick the enemy into thinking she is faster then them, even if its is a lie.

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Just the moveset from adventures would do her justice. Maybe give her a move that makes it so she can dodge anything temporarily since she can read minds and go neo from matrix on people lol.

Yeah it does. Yeah A counter would be cool. I really do hope for a sauria based map though. Lol

 

[Weavel]

Yeah it does. Yeah A counter would be cool. I really do hope for a sauria based map though. Lol

Would be cool if the great fox could travel to diffetent star fox planets and sauria would be one of them.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

This thread has been looking a little sluggish today, so allow me to propose a little activity.

My fellow Cerinians, come up with your best moveset for Krystal! Try and be unique and original also. I don't want to see a million of the same concept, but something that would make me really want to play as her. (Not that I don't want to already )

Also, my night's consisted of me catching up with the Counting Crows, so now you all know that...

MR. JONES AND ME, TELL EACH OTHER FAIRY TAILS. WE STARE AT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, "SHE'S LOOKIN' AT YOU. OH, NO. SHE'S LOOKING AT ME."

Adventures staff combos for A moves
Fire blaster for side/neutral b
Ice blaster for side/neutral b
Rocket Boost for up b
Ground Qauke for down B
And for her final smash she should ride on that dinosaur from the begining of the game and shoot people

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Would be cool if the great fox could travel to diffetent star fox planets and sauria would be one of them.

Yeah they could of said more about that map then the cliff hanger "I wonder what missions it will conduct?" Well guess what Sakurai?? I wonder too!!!

 

[Weavel]

My vision of krystal in smash bros was always one with her assault outfit and her rumored shock rod she carries. The other staff can just be an alt with her adventure costume.

Somethings I even imagine her with a gun she can pull out as well.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Commonly I see movesets for Krystal based on Star Fox Adventures staff combat and abilites. But I have yet to see one based on the different weapons from Assault.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

My vision of krystal in smash bros was always one with her assault outfit and her rumored shock rod she carries. The other staff can just be an alt with her adventure costume.

Somethings I even imagine her with a gun she can pull out as well.

Shock rod? I'm confused??

 

[King K. Rystal]

Yeah it does. Yeah A counter would be cool. I really do hope for a sauria based map though. Lol

Maybe if they do a Sauria map they could do it in Krazoa Palace in front of Andross' Krazoa mask that blew Krystal into a crystal at the start of the game and then have it as a stage hazard.

 

[Weavel]

Shock rod? I'm confused??

She is rumored to have an electric staff, but it is never seen.

And this is of course after adventures.

 

[Shorts]

Yeah it does. Yeah A counter would be cool. I really do hope for a sauria based map though. Lol

i love this map.

 

[ArcaneKitsune]

I don't know if a moveset based off of attacks from only Adventures is a good idea considering some of the staff moves are similar to some of the other characters on the roster already. A moveset based upon a combination of staff attacks from Adventures and weapons from Assault would make a pretty cool moveset imo.

For example her Neutral B attack could be a blaster. Here me out first before you judge. The blaster I'm refering to is the one from Assault not the one-handed ones that Fox, Falco & Wolf have already. The two-handed one that each Star Fox member starts out with as their default weapon. A Krystal player could either chose to shoot rapidly or charge up the shot to do more damage. Also to differentiate her blaster from Samus's charge beam Krystal's charged blaster shot will lock on to her target and follow it just like in Assault.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

This thread has been looking a little sluggish today, so allow me to propose a little activity.

My fellow Cerinians, come up with your best moveset for Krystal! Try and be unique and original also. I don't want to see a million of the same concept, but something that would make me really want to play as her. (Not that I don't want to already )

Also, my night's consisted of me catching up with the Counting Crows, so now you all know that...

MR. JONES AND ME, TELL EACH OTHER FAIRY TAILS. WE STARE AT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, "SHE'S LOOKIN' AT YOU. OH, NO. SHE'S LOOKING AT ME."

I'm working on a moveset myself. It will take a while though. It will probably be up in a few days or so.

 

[Luminario]

I don't know if a moveset based off of attacks from only Adventures is a good idea considering some of the staff moves are similar to some of the other characters on the roster already. A moveset based upon a combination of staff attacks from Adventures and weapons from Assault would make a pretty cool moveset imo.

For example her Neutral B attack could be a blaster. Here me out first before you judge. The blaster I'm refering to is the one from Assault not the one-handed ones that Fox, Falco & Wolf have already. The two-handed one that each Star Fox member starts out with as their default weapon. A Krystal player could either chose to shoot rapidly or charge up the shot to do more damage. Also to differentiate her blaster from Samus's charge beam Krystal's charged blaster shot will lock on to her target and follow it just like in Assault.

Didn't we cover this already that Palutena's and Krystal's staff are vastly different with Palutena using hers as more of a telekinesis whacking tool and Krystal using her as more a bo staff (think Killik from Soul Calibur). their playstyles would be different as well.

here's how I'd like Krystal to play:

Neutral B: Fire Blaster - hold B to take a fire stance and let go of B to fire. It doesn't charge but lets you aim in any direction. bit of knockback and damage and probably used to make your opponent paranoid.

Side B: Ice Blaster - Bowser's Fire Breath with ice properties. can aim slightly up or down and gets shorter the longer it is out. might freeze opponents like IC's Blizzard.

Up B: Rocket Boost - straight up recovery. can aim slightly left or right and can be cancelled in the air by letting go of B. good knockback if you hit someone on the way up.

Down B: I haven't decided on whether it should be the shield from Adventures which is the generic Starfox reflector or Ground Quake working pretty similarly to Metagross but being able to be charged (ground quake could work as a down smash but i see down smash as being similar to Ike's or Sheik's as a GTFO move)

A-A-A is a simple one two whack with a finisher. tapping A will do the Adventures multi-hit spinny attack. dash attack would be either a jab with the staff or, after sticking the staff into the ground, doing what can only be described as a horizontal pole vault maneuver before using the momentum to bring her around the staff back to where she was (it all happens much quicker than how i described it).

Side tilt being a reaching kick attack using the staff to balance herself. Down tilt's a sweeping leg kick. Up tilt's a jab upwards or a multi-hit propeller attack (spinny attack but upwards).

Up smash is a wide sweep with the staff (great range and knockback). Side smash is the charge melee attack form Adventures complete with charging light that goes up the staff from the game (great knockback and fantastic kill move) I covered down smash already. No idea about the aerials yet.

This all sounds very unoriginal but it's pretty much how I'd like Krystal with a staff to play as. It's simple with no unnecessary gimmick. I'm pretty sure Sakurai could come up with a much better moveset than mine though

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Didn't we cover this already that Palutena's and Krystal's staff are vastly different with Palutena using hers as more of a telekinesis whacking tool and Krystal using her as more a bo staff (think Killik from Soul Calibur). their playstyles would be different as well.

here's how I'd like Krystal to play:

Neutral B: Fire Blaster - hold B to take a fire stance and let go of B to fire. It doesn't charge but lets you aim in any direction. bit of knockback and damage and probably used to make your opponent paranoid.

Side B: Ice Blaster - Bowser's Fire Breath with ice properties. can aim slightly up or down and gets shorter the longer it is out. might freeze opponents like IC's Blizzard.

Up B: Rocket Boost - straight up recovery. can aim slightly left or right and can be cancelled in the air by letting go of B. good knockback if you hit someone on the way up.

Down B: I haven't decided on whether it should be the shield from Adventures which is the generic Starfox reflector or Ground Quake working pretty similarly to Metagross but being able to be charged (ground quake could work as a down smash but i see down smash as being similar to Ike's or Sheik's as a GTFO move)

A-A-A is a simple one two whack with a finisher. tapping A will do the Adventures multi-hit spinny attack. dash attack would be either a jab with the staff or, after sticking the staff into the ground, doing what can only be described as a horizontal pole vault maneuver before using the momentum to bring her around the staff back to where she was (it all happens much quicker than how i described it).

Side tilt being a reaching kick attack using the staff to balance herself. Down tilt's a sweeping leg kick. Up tilt's a jab upwards or a multi-hit propeller attack (spinny attack but upwards).

Up smash is a wide sweep with the staff (great range and knockback). Side smash is the charge melee attack form Adventures complete with charging light that goes up the staff from the game (great knockback and fantastic kill move) I covered down smash already. No idea about the aerials yet.

This all sounds very unoriginal but it's pretty much how I'd like Krystal with a staff to play as. It's simple with no unnecessary gimmick. I'm pretty sure Sakurai could come up with a much better moveset than mine though

Nice, Nice, I like the idea of Down B being the ground quake myself. Sakurai and his team should be able to make a good working move set I agree.

Adventures staff combos for A moves
Fire blaster for side/neutral b
Ice blaster for side/neutral b
Rocket Boost for up b
Ground Qauke for down B
And for her final smash she should ride on that dinosaur from the begining of the game and shoot people

I like the final smash idea. It could work, Like the way ZSS final smash kinda works and snakes back in brawl with you leaving the map.

 

[Luminario]

Dammit I forgot the final smash and taunts.

Taunt 1: Krystal raises her staff into the air and electricity appears at each end (referencing the power up animation)
Taunt 2: Krystal bring the tip of the staff up to her face and lightly waves her hand over it causing it to glow
Taunt 3: Krystal swipes the staff in front of her and does a battle ready pose saying something like "are you ready?" or "lets fight" or "f*ck off" or "lets go you b*stard" (maybe not the last two) OR Krystal holds her hand up to her head and closes her eyes (sort of like a telepathic reference thing and there could be a faint purple pulse emanating from her head to reference it further but it might be better without)

Final Smash: I really like the idea of something to do with the Krazoa spirits like they swarm in from random directions onto Krystals position but then blast out again. I also like the Cloudrunner FS like Snakes that TheDarkKnightNoivern mentioned. It could also be a Super Ground Quake where everyone within a certain radius and everyone on the ground gets massive knockback.

 

[Weavel]

I was thinking, what if they had a com calls for each stage? So instead of just calling the team in star fox stages you could call them anywhere? And the dialogue would change depending on the stage?

Of course this wont happen lol, but a cool idea for the future.

And I hope to see a com call of Fox and Krystal bickering.

 

[Princess Toady]

I like many of the ideas I see here, and I have another one to add to your suggestion.

Given Krystal's affinity with barriers in Assault, I thought she could have a shield a la Yoshi, as in it covers her whole body and never gets reduced by attacks. Unlike Yoshi though, her shield would go from Blue to Red, blue being the perfect state and red a critical one.

 

[Dark Dude]

And I don't think the series is big enough to get a fourth character, the most recent game came out in 2006 - 8 years ago.

I would love to hear a convincing counter argument. I'm not here to step on people's toes, just talk krystal.

Namco is helping make Smash and Namco made a Starfox game. The Starfox game that Namco made had Krystal in it. Namco has personal experience working with Starfox and Krystal.

Starfox can definitely have four reps. To just outright say that Starfox cannot have four reps is your personal opinion, not a fact.

This is Smash Bros. Saying that something or someone can't be in the game because they are from too many years ago is an ignorant thing to say. Smash Bros. takes from everything across Nintendo's video game history. The TV game thing is proof of that. So anything between now and the late 70's is fair game. Especially anything as recent as 8 years ago.

 

[Phaazoid]

Namco is helping make Smash and Namco made a Starfox game. The Starfox game that Namco made had Krystal in it. Namco has personal experience working with Starfox and Krystal.

Starfox can definitely have four reps. To just outright say that Starfox cannot have four reps is your personal opinion, not a fact.

This is Smash Bros. Saying that something or someone can't be in the game because they are from too many years ago is an ignorant thing to say. Smash Bros. takes from everything across Nintendo's video game history. The TV game thing is proof of that. So anything between now and the late 70's is fair game. Especially anything as recent as 8 years ago.

You're really stretching with the first point. Sakurai explicitly stated that working with Namco wouldn't get characters they worked on higher priorities in selection. He was talking about Namco only characters, but it applies for this too.

Second point - It isn't a fact, sure, but; third point, it isn't ignorant either.

First off, lets point out where you're wrong. Your argument is (in my interpretation, feel free to correct me)

1. Because Smash represents classic series, all series, no matter how old have equal chances at representation. Therefore, the fact that there hasn't been a Starfox game in a while doesn't impact the chances that they will receive a newcomer.

Well, you are partly tight. Nintendo does take things from all over video game history. However, in smash it is done mainly to represent classic franchises that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day ever again. These series are brought to the modern era through smash. The examples are obvious, (Pit/icies/G&W/ect). Krystal doesn't fit under that, she's not a "classic" character. Therefore, you can't support the second part of your statement with that logic. Here's my counter argument

1. Character's who's franchises aren't old enough to be considered classic, but have been ignored by Nintendo recently tend to not get more newcomers.

Here are facts to back that up. Between Melee and Brawl, new starfox games came out. In Brawl, we got a Starfox newcomer. Between Melee and Brawl, we did not receive a new F-Zero game. No F-Zero newcomers. Between Brawl and Sm4sh, we got a remake, and no new titles in the starfox franchise.

I'm just saying it's an established pattern in the smash series, so it's an educated, not ignorant guess. I also know that patterns can mean **** all because Sakurai is a crazy ************ who does what he wants. But I've stated literally everything I've written in this post at least several times throughout this thread. You should probably have read that before getting so emotional.

 

[JaidynReiman]

You're really stretching with the first point. Sakurai explicitly stated that working with Namco wouldn't get characters they worked on higher priorities in selection. He was talking about Namco only characters, but it applies for this too.

Second point - It isn't a fact, sure, but; third point, it isn't ignorant either.

First off, lets point out where you're wrong. Your argument is (in my interpretation, feel free to correct me)

1. Because Smash represents classic series, all series, no matter how old have equal chances at representation. Therefore, the fact that there hasn't been a Starfox game in a while doesn't impact the chances that they will receive a newcomer.

Well, you are partly tight. Nintendo does take things from all over video game history. However, in smash it is done mainly to represent classic franchises that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day ever again. These series are brought to the modern era through smash. The examples are obvious, (Pit/icies/G&W/ect). Krystal doesn't fit under that, she's not a "classic" character. Therefore, you can't support the second part of your statement with that logic. Here's my counter argument

1. Character's who's franchises aren't old enough to be considered classic, but have been ignored by Nintendo recently tend to not get more newcomers.

Here are facts to back that up. Between Melee and Brawl, new starfox games came out. In Brawl, we got a Starfox newcomer. Between Melee and Brawl, we did not receive a new F-Zero game. No F-Zero newcomers. Between Brawl and Sm4sh, we got a remake, and no new titles in the starfox franchise.

Now, I know there are exceptions. After all, we did get Lucas in Brawl. I'm just saying it's an established pattern in the smash series, so it's an educated, not ignorant guess. I also know that patterns can mean **** all because Sakurai is a crazy mother****er who does what he wants. But I've stated literally everything I've written in this post at least several times throughout this thread. You should probably have read that before getting so emotional.

Lucas isn't an exception. Mother 3 came out in 2006.

But basically, what you're saying is that if we take patterns into consideration, there is nothing helping Krystal at all, and nothing else going for her except originality. And if you throw out the patterns, there is, again, nothing going for her at all.


I've been avoiding this thread because people get mad at me for bringing it up, I just don't think everyone should get their hopes up for Krystal. As far as me actually wanting her, I'd love for her to be added, there's just other characters I want a lot more.

 

[Phaazoid]

Lucas isn't an exception. Mother 3 came out in 2006.

But basically, what you're saying is that if we take patterns into consideration, there is nothing helping Krystal at all, and nothing else going for her except originality. And if you throw out the patterns, there is, again, nothing going for her at all.


I've been avoiding this thread because people get mad at me for bringing it up, I just don't think everyone should get their hopes up for Krystal. As far as me actually wanting her, I'd love for her to be added, there's just other characters I want a lot more.

I don't actually know anything about Mother, thought the series was dead, lol. That's what happens when it stays japan only for so long >.>

But yeah, this is pretty much my exact standpoint. But people seem to want to go back and quote some of my more down to earth posts, interpret them like I'm anti Krystal, and crying me a river. I've avoided this thread because I found myself arguing the exact same thing every post, and it started getting annoying.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Lucas isn't an exception. Mother 3 came out in 2006.

But basically, what you're saying is that if we take patterns into consideration, there is nothing helping Krystal at all, and nothing else going for her except originality. And if you throw out the patterns, there is, again, nothing going for her at all.


I've been avoiding this thread because people get mad at me for bringing it up, I just don't think everyone should get their hopes up for Krystal. As far as me actually wanting her, I'd love for her to be added, there's just other characters I want a lot more.

Well there is a new star fox game in development so I'd say that's helping her

 

[Phaazoid]

Well there is a new star fox game in development so I'd say that's helping her

Nope. That game started development very, very recently, while character selection in Smash is one of the first things they do. That game wouldn't have even been started by the time the roster was finalized.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Nope. That game started development very, very recently, while character selection in Smash is one of the first things they do. That game wouldn't have even been started by the time the roster was finalized.

Have they ever actually said when it started development?

 

[Princess Toady]

Hmmm yeah, they didn't present anything at E3 because there was nothing to show, so I think it's pretty explicit.

 

[Phaazoid]

Have they ever actually said when it started development?

No, but since it was very early beta when it was 'shown' at E3 this year, it's safe to assume it wasn't started 2 years ago, which is about when they'd have done the roster

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

No, but since it was very early beta when it was 'shown' at E3 this year, it's safe to assume it wasn't started 2 years ago, which is about when they'd have done the roster

We don't know exactly when the roster was done though, all we know was that it was a bit after KI:U came out which was about 2 years ago, so we don't have any way of knowing if this was in development when they were making the roster.

 

[Phaazoid]

We don't know exactly when the roster was done though, all we know was that it was a bit after KI:U came out which was about 2 years ago, so we don't have any way of knowing if this was in development when they were making the roster.

We know they started development on the game almost immediately after KI:U came out, actually.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

We know they started development on the game almost immediately after KI:U came out, actually.

But the question is, was star fox in development? We don't have any way of knowing

 

[Phaazoid]

But the question is, was star fox in development? We don't have any way of knowing

We do. We know the Star Fox shown at E3 hasn't even been handed off to a developer yet. It could have been in early stages for years for all we know, sure, but back then that doesn't mean it would have been given the go for being developed yet. A lot of Nintendo games in early stages never get announced or happen. Seeing as this one was announced while still in it's early stage, we know that it hasn't been known internally that it was going to get produced for very long. You have to remember, the game was shown so early that when we saw it, it was still just a gameplay concept with a starfox skin - no story, no developers, no game yet.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

We do. We know the Star Fox shown at E3 hasn't even been handed off to a developer yet. It could have been in early stages for years for all we know, sure, but back then that doesn't mean it would have been given the go for being developed yet. A lot of Nintendo games in early stages never get announced or happen. Seeing as this one was announced while still in it's early stage, we know that it hasn't been known internally that it was going to get produced for very long. You have to remember, the game was shown so early that when we saw it, it was still just a gameplay concept with a starfox skin - no story, no developers, no game yet.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/06/e3_2014_shigeru_miyamoto_confirms_star_fox_for_wii_u

Miyamoto began working on the new Star Fox back on the Wii, for roughly 6 years. He further added that he moved the experiment to the Wii U, to work on it for another 6-10 months.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/06/11/shigeru-miyamoto-star-fox-wii-u/

He also said 2015 will be the "year of Star Fox".

So, basically, Star Fox is in an interesting position. All the devs in Nintendo should know that a new game has been in the works for ages. That is, unless Nintendo devs keep devious secrets from each other...

Who is to say that the Star Fox demo they showed at E3 was their current build of experimentation? After all, the E3 Smash demo was publicly playable, and that is an old build. Miyamoto never clarified the build of Star Fox.

 

[TheSoraKid]

Well there is a new star fox game in development so I'd say that's helping her

By that logic, I guess that means other characters like Slippy, Peppy and the others are guaranteed in Smash as well.

 

[Princess Toady]

Miyamoto said he had been thinking about a new Starfox game for several years (yikes, it doesn't bode well for the new installment...), but he apparently just started developing another entry. I think these are the facts of the new Starfox game.

They couldn't find a way to make the game work on the Wii (lolwut) but now they can with the Wii U.

EDIT : It seems I was mistaken. Thanks for clarifying TheRandomCities4.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Miyamoto said he had been thinking about a new Starfox game for several years (yikes, it doesn't bode well for the new installment...), but he apparently just started developing another entry. I think these are the facts of the new Starfox game.

They couldn't find a way to make the game work on the Wii (lolwut) but now they can with the Wii U.

EDIT : It seems I was mistaken. Thanks for clarifying TheRandomCities4.

Not "thinking", but "experimenting". He's actually worked on it for those 6 years.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

So my argument still stands, there is a new star fox game being made and that greatly increases her chances

By that logic, I guess that means other characters like Slippy, Peppy and the others are guaranteed in Smash as well.

But krystal is still the most wanted, she'd be the most unique and she's female. So krystal wins

 

[Princess Toady]

Okay, thank you, I must have forgotten that part, haha. Yes, with the Year of Starfox, the fact that DLC might be possible for Smash, her popularity, moveset potential, the fact that she is female, that she would bring a unique gameplay for a Starfox character, I think her chances are pretty good (especially in the DLC area).

 

[Joe D.]

Lucas isn't an exception. Mother 3 came out in 2006.

But basically, what you're saying is that if we take patterns into consideration, there is nothing helping Krystal at all, and nothing else going for her except originality. And if you throw out the patterns, there is, again, nothing going for her at all.


I've been avoiding this thread because people get mad at me for bringing it up, I just don't think everyone should get their hopes up for Krystal. As far as me actually wanting her, I'd love for her to be added, there's just other characters I want a lot more.

We get it.

You've stated it NUMEROUS TIMES.

We realize how you feel, but this is a SUPPORT THREAD. Even if her chances are as low as you think, (which they're not, but I'm not going to argue,) we are still going to support her. We are still going to get our hopes up and we will defend her. It's not like any of us will be emotionally unstable if she doesn't make it, because we'll accept it as a loss. If you feel that other characters deserve it more, that's fine, but stepping into a thread that supports her and has confidence in her and stating that she has no chance is a waste of your time.

I'm honestly sick and tired of people doing this. I come into the thread to see support of a character and I see someone come in here and just kill everyone's joy and hope. If you're not going to come in here and support Krystal, LEAVE.