Practicing on CPU's - The Case for Level 9

[pure_awesome]

M'kay, thanks for clearing that up. I thought that's what you were arguing.

All I care about is that you know Level 3's can be useful for training purposes. On my side of the table, I now agree that Level 9's can be useful for training as well. Honestly, I'm looking into practicing with Level 9's once I'm at the tail end of my current training regiment.

Well yes, they're useful. Heck, everything can be useful. As long as you've got a controller in your hands and you're hitting buttons, it's useful.

Some things are just inherently less useful than others. Level 3's fit much more accurately into Stage 2 than Stage 3, and Stage 2 is much better accomplished via Training Mode.

Though I'm kind of leaning towards Level 8 at this point. They still keep up a decent amount of pressure while providing a slightly more realistic reaction to your movements. It's likely too close to really make a difference, honestly.

That's my point. If you play a lvl9 then you have to train your mind to find an opening to train your hands. Lvl3s allows you to directly train your hands.

I lost a ton of those matches. The CPU PS'ed probably every single one of my Lasers, and pummeled me into oblivion. Does it matter? Hell no.

Lvl 9 computers force you to play a certain way because they CAN pressure you and act with inhuman reflexes. Yet, they do NOT act like any human who uses the character. It puts you into bad habits that can take a while to break out of.

Lvl 3-4 computers don't pressure you too hard and so you do NOT have to change up your normal playstyle to fight them. This allows you to practice many key techniques for your particular character without being put into a bad pattern that differentiates from your usual playstyle.

Saying level 3 computers don't pressure you too hard is like saying Metaknight isn't that bad of a character.

And no, training properly on level 9's should not put you in any bad habits, or force you to do anything.

 

[kupo15]

No you don't. You are not playing to win or to learn the style. You are simply practicing AT's. I do ti all of the time. I learn a know AT and practice it in training mode. When I feel like I have it down I practice it against a lvl 9. If I can pull it off on a level 9 it usually means I can pull it off with relative ease on a human. But everyone can do their own thing. If computers are your only option like they are for me most of the time, then use them however best fits you.

I don't play to win against CPUS and I don't advocate it either...

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Starting off fighting CPU's is a good way to start. However, there are quite a few problems with this in that as mentioned, they have very un-human tendancies and reactions

Another huge flaw with CPU's is that they recover horribly. The only character I can think of who even attempts to not get edgeguarded is Kirby and all he does is spam Fair back and forth until he runs out of jumps

All the CPU's recovery priority is to get back onto the stage. They don't retaliate, they don't airdodge - don't even try to gimp back

CPU's are a good starting point but they aren't very good if you want to learn how to properly gimp a character offstage

 

[Crystanium]

Considering the entire point of Stage 3 is pressure, I would say that yes, whether or not something provides pressure would be an important factor. And don't be silly, neither one behaves anything like a human.

Well, for your third point, which is about pressure, it doesn't take pressure to actually perform an advanced technique like the DACUS. I'm still not convinced. If you bring up the Jab Lock, then maybe. However, it doesn't even take an example from a level 9 CPU to know that the set-up for a jab lock is near impossible.