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Clones like Doc who shares a model and animations with another character are most likely last minute decision if they were unable to finish a more difficult to make character. Don't think of it as "Dr. Mario taking Lucas' slot" or "Picking Doc over Lucas". It's probably a case of "50 characters or 50 characters and 1 extra lazy clone". He'd be quickly implemented and not replacing anyone in a sense.
The Sakurai thought process here is baffling.
That's what I thought. The initial roster is of 45 characters-or-something, the rest are bonus (if leak is real).
The only "clone" that can be argued to be more unique then Lucas is Wolf (and Luigi,if you consider him a clone.)
Lucas does share a few more moves with his "clone" than Wolf does. Ness/Lucas have extremely similar side smashes with different properties and... their downtilts I think? That might be part of it. /shrug
Exactly. Assuming this leak is real, then the situation is identical to Melee. The roster would be 45 characters, and either due to extra time or wanting more characters or both, the team is able to create clone characters from former alternate costumes to make the roster 48 characters.
Honestly, I think a big part of it is that their weight and speed is also very similar.
Maybe it'll happen, but I doubt the leak itself is real.
The same reason Mario has 7 characters.
Two reasons:
They were easy models to import from Brawl, and if the Ice Climbers aren't in they were cut for technical reasons. Sakurai himself has said that they were trying ti implement them, so we know they were intended to be in the game. Polar Bears may have already been in when they decided they just couldn't make the Icies work.
That was also the only pic of the day to be taken down I think
I was looking and it does look like they've taken it down bad news for ice climbers
I agree, I'm not 100% sure of anything until i play the game, sooooo... I still think ice climbers are a possibility.
This right here is what makes me ponder. I can't help to think back during the smash direct when there was a showcase of all the enemies in Smash Run. They all had emblems tied to their names(IE Mushroom for Goombas etc. etc.). That means that the Ice Climbers emblem is in this game, yet there is no playable character tied to that emblem?
While I do agree that Dark Pit should not have a spot on the roster (I love Uprising, but it is ridiculously stupid that he has his own place), I don't think Alph or any character from F-Zero should get representation either. "Wow, you are such a ****, F-Zero needs more love". A game that is all about racing needs another character? Captain Falcon represents F-Zero perfectly, he's a fast character who is also a bounty hunter so he knows how to fight. He's cocky and awesome, just like racers. If we add another character from the F-Zero franchise, he'll just be there as a character that doesn't represent anything, he's just adding more to the roster.
His competition is Pichu and Young Link.
The polar bear was in one of those Nintendo dream scans yesterday.
Source?
I agree with every other thing in this post, but I disagree here.
It's possible that IC will be in the game, but they also opperate differently. Pikmin and Luma are more or less items or tools used by their master. IC are two characters that mimic each other. They take much more processing than those other 2 characters. And if the game cannot run smoothly with 4 of them on the screen then they will probably be cut.
As some people have said before, the IC's are different from Rosalina and Olimar. The Luma is almsot entirely player-controlled, and the Pikmin's only AI function is getting back to Olimar. Comapre this to Nana, who is in effect another CPU player. (Seriously, people have been able to change her AI level exactly like other CPU players in Melee!)
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The thing is, we've mostly been shown Smash Run enemies that have playable representatives because Smash already covers a huge swath of Nintendo's franchises.
Yeah, I agree. However, could it be possible they run at 30 fps compared to the other fighters that run at 60 fps?
Yeah, or just have nana run at 30 fps, so you can at least continue to control a character at 60 fps
Clones like Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are last minute additions to the roster for characters like IC who end up not being able to work in the end. Don't think that they were planned from the start and caused the cut of other characters
that does make sense because they do the exact same moves so itd make sense that 4 of them on screen would be an issue unless sakurai figures out somethingAs some people have said before, the IC's are different from Rosalina and Olimar. The Luma is almsot entirely player-controlled, and the Pikmin's only AI function is getting back to Olimar. Comapre this to Nana, who is in effect another CPU player. (Seriously, people have been able to change her AI level exactly like other CPU players in Melee!)
Edit:
Have we seen gameplay of 4 pokemon//assist trophies being used at the same time during a 4 man fight?
The issue had to be graphical. The ICs in Melee (4 of them on the screen at once) caused framerate issues on some stages like Fountain of Dreams with the water reflections. The 3DS' limitations he was mentioned was probably the issue with 8 character models on screen at the same time. Rosa/Luma don't have that issue since Luma is more akin to a Pikmin than Nana. This also explains Olimar's 3 pikmin limit as well. There's not an easy solution to Nana for the 3DS except making her extremely low poly and that will look just unacceptable.