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First of all, take a chill pill. Secondly, why do you have to be so hurtful and cruel to people because they want a character in? You even said you wouldn't be mad if he's playable yet your angry at people for wanting him in. Thirdly, no body is saying Ridley is confirmed, they just have a lot of compelling evidence that supports his inclusion as a fighter which is making some people confident.
Of course.
This looks so awesome, wish this was the actual final roster, now that's a roster I can agree on =)So there is this image floating around the 4chans:
Honestly, at this point, I dont know what or who to believe. But if thats how the final roster is going to look like then I'l be more than ok with it.
Well the leak will die or live after this directOf course.
Should we even have this thread anymore? We pretty much ran out of things to talk about, and I doubt the leaker will leak anymore...
Ridley and Meta Ridley aren't that similar. Ones made of metal, one isn't.
I find it funny how salty people get when someone talks about Ridley having a chance
I think he might be a Wolf kind of deal. You know, his special moves are somewhat based on Fox, but his A-moves are different. Pit doesn't use Palutena's bow for any of his special moves other than the arrow. Dark Pit could shoot from his staff, uppercut with Pandora Claws, have the same Up+B and maybe the Guardian Orbitars. But his whole A moveset could be original since the Staff operates differently than the bow.Gonna talk about Dark Pit for a bit, since quite a few people seem riled up about him.
This is the leaked image of him: http://i.imgur.com/uK8qQX4.jpg
Take a close look at that image. Do you see the yellow, boomerang-like object on his image? It is under his right ear, and above the "DA" of his name. Additionally, take note of the purple coloration below the yellow boomerang-like object. Where am I going with this, you might ask? Well, the object appears to be in 3D, but it is not a part of the character's outfit.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508012547/kidicarus/images/f/fb/Darkpit_artnew.png
So if it is not a part of his outfit, it could be his weapon right? For those of you who have played KI:U, you might be aware of the main weapons that Dark Pit uses. The most commonly associated weapons with Dark Pit are the Silver Bow, the Dark Pit Staff, and the Ogre Club. Let's take a look at each of them, shall we?
Silver Bow
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120119205845/kidicarus/images/2/29/Nicw.PNG
http://media.archonia.com/images/samples/72/64/147264_s2.jpg
http://nendoroider.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Figma-Kid-Icarus-Uprising-Black-Pit.jpg
The Silver Bow is Dark Pit's version of Pit's Palutena Bow. This is his most used weapon in KI:U, and the reason why most people speculate the reason for his status of being a clone to Pit. However, there are two problems with this. One, the Silver Bow does not have any yellow coloring in the design. And two, the shape of the weapon does not match the boomerang-like object in the leaked picture. So then, the likelyhood of the object in the leaked picture being the Silver Bow is very unlikely. So if it's not the Silver Bow, then what about the next weapon most associated with him? Heck, it even has his name on it.
Dark Pit Staff
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/123/4/9/dark_pit_staff_by_isaac77598-d4yghdn.jpg
http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/review/124//FIG-IPN-5604_02.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/5a2fa58c918c0a3378e7517dbab9aac2/tumblr_inline_mzxpfmbt0U1s9zi46.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2829/12562965194_9dd15d421e_z.jpg
Oddly enough, Dark Pit only used this weapon a single time in KI:U (in chapter 6), in comparison to the multiple times that he has used the Silver Bow. Regardless, this is one of the only two weapons in the game that directly mentions Dark Pit himself (the other being the Ogre Club). Furthermore, you might notice two things right off the bat. One, the yellow coloring of the wings and "head" of the weapon. And two, the purple coloring of the rest of the weapon. Not to mention, the shape on the wings sort of have a boomerang-like appearance to them. Meaning that the weapon that Dark Pit is holding in the leaked picture is, most likely, the Dark Pit Staff.
Ogre Club
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120528154435/kidicarus/images/2/23/Ogre_Club.jpg
http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/images/f/f8/Ogre_Club.png
As cool as it looks, nothing about the leaked image looks like it would point towards this weapon. Plus, there aren't really any images online showing Dark Pit with the weapon. So, we'll skip this one. But the images are there for those who are curious.
Anyways, what does this mean in regards to Dark Pit being next to the other "clones" on the CSS? Is he still a clone? How much of he would be cloned from Pit himself, if his weapon isn't similar to the Palutena Bow? Why yes, there are elements in which he could still be a "clone", as I shall go over right now.
1) Walking/Running Speed
2) Weight
3) Amount of jumps/jump height
4) Similar attacks/specials/throws
Number 4 on the list is probably what quite a few people believe, and why they might have problems with Dark Pit. Under the premise of Dark Pit having the Silver Bow, many people would be lead to believe that his entire moveset would be cloned from Pit. However, I do not believe that this is the case. Why? In the leaked image, Dark Pit is not holding the Silver Bow, but rather the Dark Pit Staff. Sure, he could very well still have the Silver Bow, but consider this: All characters who have a main weapon (usually sword) are usually holding that weapon in their picture. DeDeDe with his hammer, Link with his Master Sword and Hylian Shield, Robin with his/her Tomes and Levin Sword, and Pit with his Palutena Bow. So, wouldn't it also make sense that the weapon that Dark Pit is holding, The Dark Pit Staff, is his main weapon? Sure, he might have a few moves here and there that might be similar to Pit's (such as his specials), but otherwise I believe that his attacks are completely different in comparison to Pit's. So he would be more akin to Luigi in regards to his attacks. Special moves could still be almost identical to Pit's, though I really doubt his regular attacks would be the same with a completely different weapon.
In other words, he is not a clone of Pit in regards to (most) of his attacks. But rather, he is a clone of Pit due to having similar weight, running speed, and jumping ability in comparison to Pit (And maybe specials as well). At least, that is what I believe, anyways. Having almost the same model also counts too. And that actually matters quite a lot. Why? Because Dark Pit, Dr. Mario, and Lucina are probably the ONLY characters on the roster that were originally intended to be alternate costumes, hence their placement on the roster. And not DIRECTLY because they are "clones".
One last thing I would like to mention is that while Staffs are slower than Bows in KI:U, I don't think it might be the case here...probably. My reasoning behind this is Ike. Ike is very fast in Radiant Dawn, though he is slow in Brawl (and most likely Smash 4). So, Dark Pit could be slower than Pit, though they could also share the same speed as well. Who knows.
Anyways, I hope my post cleared some things up. Hope you enjoyed.
Surprise surprise.
Have you ignored most of your replies?
Join the club. You're defiantly not that only one who finds it hilarious.I find it funny how salty people get when someone talks about Ridley having a chance
(Am I the only one?)
Nope. I'm perfectly fine with it. In fact, I greatly enjoy it. I wish K Rool was there, but Bowser Jr was my #1 Nintendo owned character, so I'm stoked. (Mega Man was my #1 overall)
Sorry buddy, but I took that .gif as "you ****ing idiots, didn't you know? Ridley's totally confirmed, you morons!" and I don't take that lightly, man, especially when voicing my opinion in a logical and civil manner.
K Rool was never gonna happen.
I thought it was determined that what hasn't been unlocked yet is the Mii, who's icon will fill out the select screen.Have you ignored most of your replies?
The full roster hasn't been unlocked yet. The leaker said so himself. The Hype 3 and others still have a chance.
Join the club. You're defiantly not that only one who finds it hilarious.
I'd love if Mewtwo returned but overall I'm totally alright with this roster.
I thought he seemed pretty far-fetched as well. I wanted him before I saw all the commotion over him though. I grew up on DKC.
Miis are most likely starters, they just aren't there because customizations are turned off. There are still about 5 spots left in the roster after that.
Well the Dark Pit Staff is actually my main weapon in Uprising, so Pittoo's welcome imho
I'm not sure that metaphor really stands up, dude. If you have a burger that managed to get everything perfect but forgot one optional ingredient, it's not perfect, but it doesn't suddenly become "Just another average burger". Similarly, adding your magic special sauce to a completely average burger wouldn't make it anything BUT slightly above average unless you have a severe sauce addiction.
I personally didn't want any DK rep, but that was a low blow.
You're not. I want Ridley to be in the game so badly, but the roster we have now is AMAZING. There are like twenty characters I would love to main and picking only a few of them will be hell. I know some people are mad because of clones (as if they would make a new Smash without new clones) and the lack of villains, but IMO "Sakurai did it again". It is a great roster, better than Brawl and Melee's without a shadow of doubt.
I could if you wanted me to.I personally didn't want any DK rep, but that was a low blow.
Now you're going to tell me Bandana Dee is never going to happen to make me sad.
I'm convinced that the roster isn't going to be a perfect rectangle tbh. I hope it fills the whole screen, but I'm not convinced it will.
The real problem comes when the only characters a person roots for are the Hype 3. In games like this where you can predict the roster to an extent, you can't go and say that ____, ____, and ____ should be in the game, no questions asked. Honestly I feel like these 3 characters were the wrong ones to get hyped about. I don't think Sakurai's all too keen for villains anyway, unless we REALLY need them (which we already have covered with
and to an extent ).
Good point, has anyone mocked the roster up to look like the Triforce yet? That might fix everything.
I said it was an above average burger, the sauce missing would have made it great.
There, I fixed it, I don't need your sass XD
Yes, and no.The real problem comes when the only characters a person roots for are the Hype 3. In games like this where you can predict the roster to an extent, you can't go and say that ____, ____, and ____ should be in the game, no questions asked. Honestly I feel like these 3 characters were the wrong ones to get hyped about. I don't think Sakurai's all too keen for villains anyway, unless we REALLY need them (which we already have covered with
Gosh, are you deaf or something?
No offense, but gosh we stated several times, THE ROSTER IS NOT FULLY UNLOCKED.Honestly, there were many others I was rooting for. Only ones that made it are Rosalina and Shulk. Maybe it's because they (hype 3) were "givens" in brawl, then not included, and this time the mindset of the community seemed to be "ok, this time they're in for sure". Especially with Sakurai trolling (all the Ridley hints while refusing to deconfirm him; the Kremlings being featured in the game; doing a blatant Mewtwo tease during the Greninja announcement trailer). It just seems like those three should be core parts of the roster by now, but instead they're being left off, AGAIN, for no real reason unless you count that Japan doesn't care much about them.The real problem comes when the only characters a person roots for are the Hype 3. In games like this where you can predict the roster to an extent, you can't go and say that ____, ____, and ____ should be in the game, no questions asked. Honestly I feel like these 3 characters were the wrong ones to get hyped about. I don't think Sakurai's all too keen for villains anyway, unless we REALLY need them (which we already have covered with
I'm fine with it, I got Shulk, and BJ/DHD will probably be fun. Obviously wouldn't complain if there was more to it, but I'm satisfied.
For the record, I wasn't sassing you over the "square = rectangle" thing. I was just joking with the Triforce thing. I was legitimately pointing out that it's VERY easy to make any roster a rectangle because of how the math works out. Considering Sakurai has done them for 3 games straight and obviously enjoys his UI designs, I don't see why the roster wouldn't be some kind of quadrilateral shape. That doesn't confirm anything, but it does act as decent circumstantial evidence.
Multiple leakers have confirmed the roster isn't fully unlocked, not only the lying one.
It's not technically all doom and gloom. Dark Pit is a straight up re-used model. The work load will be light on him meaning its entirely possible they were able to give him unique animations and attacks. It's extremely possible he'll be a Wolf/Lucas type of clone where his specials will be close to the original character but the A attacks will differ for the most part.
