PM Arts and Alts Thread

[PseudoTypical]

I'm pretty new to this topic, so question: Why was Focus Sash rejected? Is it impossible to do?

It's not so much rejected as put to the side right now. You have to animate the sash, and the process to do that is not easy in the least. From what I understand it's still in the works.

 

[Nefnoj]

If I recall correctly, it was ORIGINALLY impossible due to limitations... And then someone proved us wrong.

I would love to see a purple/shiny version from the team.

 

[Das Koopa]

Ah, alright.

A suggestion, though I doubt I'm the first to bring it up:

-Alter Falcon's red costume to be more definitive in its reference to Blood Falcon. Give it the Skull and Sinister eyes, seen here:

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I assume Luigi's alts are complete after he got more Mr. L alts. correct? I'm assuming 10 is the max for every non-Wario character. Otherwise, Casino Luigi would be fantastic.

 

[PseudoTypical]

-Alter Falcon's red costume to be more definitive in its reference to Blood Falcon. Give it the Skull and Sinister eyes, seen here:

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I would personally rather they change Falcon's red alt entirely and just give him a Blood Falcon skin, but I like the idea of him looking more the part. I wouldn't be surprised if this is already in the works.

I assume Luigi's alts are complete after he got more Mr. L alts. correct? I'm assuming 10 is the max for every non-Wario character. Otherwise, Casino Luigi would be fantastic.

10 is the max, at least for now. I'm pretty sure Casino Luigi is on the Vault somewhere if you're interested though. (EDIT: Here it is.)

 

[Nefnoj]

Does anyone know the technical limitations of Kirby's hats? It'd be REALLY cool if the palette swap of Kirby changed his hat colour. For instance, Red Team Kirby gets Blood Hawk's blue helmet.

I would personally rather they change Falcon's red alt entirely and just give him a Blood Falcon skin, but I like the idea of him looking more the part. I wouldn't be surprised if this is already in the works.10 is the max, at least for now. I'm pretty sure Casino Luigi is on the Vault somewhere if you're interested though.

Alas and alack, the Project M Development Team has sworn to not alter any of the Team colour's models...

But I think a skull could simply be a texture swap, and he's already got a "Blood Hawk" on his back...

 

[PseudoTypical]

Alas and alack, the Project M Development Team has sworn to not alter any of the Team colour's models...

But I think a skull could simply be a texture swap, and he's already got a "Blood Hawk" on his back...

Really? They changed Sonic a decent bit (which I've been happy for as a Sonic main) and I imagine there's other ones too. I hope this is possible.

@ Nanobuds Could we get a confirmation on whether or not you guys follow that policy?

 

[Nanobuds]

Really? They changed Sonic a decent bit (which I've been happy for as a Sonic main) and I imagine there's other ones too. I hope this is possible.

@ Nanobuds Could we get a confirmation on whether or not you guys follow that policy?

For a detail that small I don't see an issue... I'll pass the idea along

 

[Nefnoj]

Since Pit has two slots left, they should be used for Purple semi-alt eggplant pits. I started making a few myself.

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http://i.imgur.com/gEybSeV.gifv

 

[ConDeeCas]

Since Pit has two slots left, they should be used for Purple semi-alt eggplant pits. I started making a few myself.

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http://i.imgur.com/gEybSeV.gifv

I'm viewing this on mobile so I don't know if it looks like what I'm seeing as what I'm seeing is a deformed monstrosity that is going to haunt my dreams tonight. Thanks Neffy!

 

[SmashShadow]

I truly am pumped for an Awakening alt Roy but I agree with the edits made on Reddit for him. That said, you guys did an amazing job.

I was about to come here and complain about his bed head and purple coloring but then I saw this and fell in love.

 

[GunBuster]

Suprise!

Messed that up horrendously
sorry @ Nanobuds

I love it

I do

but, I have to ask

with other alts like peach's fire flower outfit or Dr. Mario, there are effect changes to some attacks (peach's hearts, Mario's fire Fsmash ect.).

since this alt is depicted without the Sword of Seals, what becomes of the fire that was exclusive to it? several of his specials and Usmash rely on it at least visually to help with how they "work", especially those that hit multiple times in a single strike (upB and upsmash in particular), or the obvious LARGE EXPLOSION from flare blade.

it just doesn't seem right if fire's going to be coming out of this average nameless sword, but Roy doesn't really "work" without fire.

 

[Nixie]

with other alts like peach's fire flower outfit or Dr. Mario, there are effect changes to some attacks (peach's hearts, Mario's fire Fsmash ect.).

since this alt is depicted without the Sword of Seals, what becomes of the fire that was exclusive to it? several of his specials and Usmash rely on it at least visually to help with how they "work", especially those that hit multiple times in a single strike (upB and upsmash in particular), or the obvious LARGE EXPLOSION from flare blade.

it just doesn't seem right if fire's going to be coming out of this average nameless sword, but Roy doesn't really "work" without fire.

I imagine it would stay, like you said the multi-hit moves really wouldn't work without an element considering Roy's animations, and it's not like another element would make any more sense.

Not to mention, fire is hardly exclusive to that sword considering the numerous other elemental weapons in Fire Emblem and Ike's eruption; which wasn't changed even when his sword was for his alt, and more importantly, that it was added in Brawl originally when neither Ike nor Ragnell had any fire related powers.

 

[AceGamer]

Is it me or has these past months just been the season of complaining about faces lol? People complain about Cammy and Ken's faces in SF5 and now they complain about Awakening Roy's face. Not that these complaints aren't somewhat warranted, just a trend I noticed X)

 

[PseudoTypical]

Is it me or has these past months just been the season of complaining about faces lol? People complain about Cammy and Ken's faces in SF5 and now they complain about Awakening Roy's face. Not that these complaints aren't somewhat warranted, just a trend I noticed X)

I think it's just that faces are really hard to get right. It takes a lot to make a convincing person, and as graphics get better in games, our expectations are probably going to rise too.

 

[Nefnoj]

With Pit's last two slots, I would love to see some more semi-alts:

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Eggplant splat:

Make it happen, Nanobuds .

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

With Pit's last two slots, I would love to see some more semi-alts:

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Eggplant splat:
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Make it happen, Nanobuds .

I'd still like him to have the sacred treasures as an alt. If not, the last two slots could also go to a cosplay of the white and black variations of the armor from multiplayer.

Seriously, can a character aside from Samus get more than one alt?

 

[AceGamer]

I'd still like him to have the sacred treasures as an alt. If not, the last two slots could also go to a cosplay of the white and black variations of the armor from multiplayer.

Seriously, can a character aside from Samus get more than one alt?

Lol ROB says hello but I agree with you

Edit:Speaking on multiple alts, a Leif alt for Roy would still be sick and consistent with the rest of the FE boys and a Scourge cosplay for Sonic would be cool too

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

Lol ROB says hello but I agree with you

Forgot about R.O.B. Though Wii R.O.B. was added because it popular costume that had been made some time ago, and the guy who made it joined the team. I get the impression that they're not really planning on extra alts for other characters. I've just seen them talk about filling the rest of a characters slots with palette swaps.

 

[PseudoTypical]

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You always manage to make me want something that had never occurred to me. Granted, this is a more obvious one since it's canon, but it's still the best thing ever that I'd never thought of for some reason.

 

[Nefnoj]

You always manage to make me want something that had never occurred to me. Granted, this is a more obvious one since it's canon, but it's still the best thing ever that I'd never thought of for some reason.

It's also purple!



And I have a deep secret love for semi-alts.

Forgot about R.O.B. Though Wii R.O.B. was added because it popular costume that had been made some time ago, and the guy who made it joined the team. I get the impression that they're not really planning on extra alts for other characters. I've just seen them talk about filling the rest of a characters slots with palette swaps.

Do Sonic's semi-alts count?
I feel like extra alts aren't entirely necessary for some characters. For example, Commander Lucas, Mewtwo, Armoured Charizard, maybe Classic Captain Falcon, could use some recolours. However, recolours on Beta Meta Knight, Dry Bowser, Ice Climber Bears and Evil Peach would be just buttgrode nasty, unloved, and forced, they're desperately in need of alts or semi-alts.

Recolours nor alts shouldn't be supplied by force, Mr. L colours I'm looking at you, but by how cool and carefully crafted they can be. Red Armoured Ike you're beautiful.

 

[GunBuster]

I imagine it would stay, like you said the multi-hit moves really wouldn't work without an element considering Roy's animations, and it's not like another element would make any more sense.

Not to mention, fire is hardly exclusive to that sword considering the numerous other elemental weapons in Fire Emblem and Ike's eruption.

well, no - in Roy's game, the sword of seals is most certainly the reason Roy gains firey attacks and is the only character with it outside of anima magic.

and in my opinion it only happened for vanilla Ike's Eruption because Roy was cut.

what I'm saying is Roy retaining fire on his attacks if not armed with the sword of seals just seems wrong, seeing as the sword of seals is where he gets that attribute from. it's a kind of specific case with him.

 

[Nefnoj]

well, no - in Roy's game, the sword of seals is most certainly the reason Roy gains firey attacks and is the only character with it outside of anima magic.

and in my opinion it only happened for vanilla Ike's Eruption because Roy was cut.

what I'm saying is Roy retaining fire on his attacks if not armed with the sword of seals just seems wrong, seeing as the sword of seals is where he gets that attribute from. it's a kind of specific case with him.

I've never played Fire Emblem before, but this makes a lot of sense.

However, the fire effects for Roy have a big impact on gameplay. I'm kind of in love with the sword the new costume gets, perhaps they should do blue fire effects for it?

Also I love your profile picture so much.

 

[Comeback Kid]

While an interesting observation, rehauling a character's entire graphics package (not one or two animations) because their alt is using the wrong sword I think falls under the most nitpicky of nitpicks. Even for this thread.

 

[Nixie]

well, no - in Roy's game, the sword of seals is most certainly the reason Roy gains firey attacks and is the only character with it outside of anima magic.

what I'm saying is Roy retaining fire on his attacks if not armed with the sword of seals just seems wrong, seeing as the sword of seals is where he gets that attribute from. it's a kind of specific case with him.

I didn't say the sword wasn't the reason. I'm saying it's really not a big deal considering the things I mentioned, and also that there is no other optimal solution.

You can
-not change the sword but where's the fun in that
-change the element to be something else, none of which would really make any more sense than fire would.
-remove the element and change the animation for Roy's multi-hits to appear as such, as to not rely on elemental effects to convey the multi-hits
-change the moves to not be multi-hits

Something nitpicky as that about an alternate costume shouldn't warrant a character's moves to be changed, and I'd even say that either latter option would also detract from Roy and the Binding Blade as Up-Smash and Down DED are already really cool and unique attacks.

 

[MLGF]

...I still really want a Leif recolor :/

 

[GunBuster]

You can
-change the element to be something else, none of which would really make any more sense than fire would.
-remove the element and change the animation for Roy's multi-hits to appear as such, as to not rely on elemental effects to convey the multi-hits
-change the moves to not be multi-hits
-NOT change the sword but where's the fun in that

Marth's sword does not change between alts. why would it be an issue here? Ike's does, but that's just to reference Ragnell's sister sword, Alondite.

I hardly see how being "Nitpicky" is pointing out "the only reason the fire graphics are there in the first place is missing from the alt" is.

I mean, there's two possible fixes here -
- just sticking with the current Sword of Seals
-Update the Sword of Seals to match the awakening art and take "artistic liberties" with it

i'd much prefer option 2, honestly but the point stands.

 

[Nixie]

I hardly see how being "Nitpicky" is pointing out "the only reason the fire graphics are there in the first place is missing from the alt" is.

It's totally nitpicky, it's like having a problem with Ike using blue fire because the only time he ever actually had anything like it is at the end of Radiant Dawn; the game that his current design is not based on.

 

[GunBuster]

It's totally nitpicky, it's like having a problem with Ike using blue fire because the only time he ever actually had anything like it is at the end of Radiant Dawn; the game that his current design is not based on.

I do sorta like the SoS redesign idea, though.

it's really not.
it's the whole reason for the fire, not a minute detail that I'm blowing out of proportion.

as for Ike, he is known as both the Radiant Hero and the Hero of Blue Flames - let them reference that.

 

[Shin F.]

It's Smash Bros. Canon is this game's *****, so I really don't see it as a big deal. If it were a big moveset thing, I could see it, but it's a really small detail.

 

[GFooChombey]

Given the amount of small detail the PMDT has added (Luigi's green fire, Peach's metal color, true Dark Pit colors, the list goes on...) shouldn't this adhere to the same standards?

On another note, the only way any normal person could have noticed the purple instead of blue was a side by side. I highly doubt somebody immediately looked at that and said "WOW THAT'S THE WRONG COLOR!" since the shades are so close. That is an example of tiny nitpicking.

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

I like the sword from Awakening, and it's nice to have something different, so I'd rather they keep it. It's not like Smash hasn't deviated from canon before.

 

[Comeback Kid]

On another note, the only way any normal person could have noticed the purple instead of blue was a side by side. I highly doubt somebody immediately looked at that and said "WOW THAT'S THE WRONG COLOR!" since the shades are so close. That is an example of tiny nitpicking.

Are you talking about Awakening Roy's neon purple versus the original blue artwork? It's like night and day, even if a side by side makes it extremely obvious for those of us with faulty memories.

 

[GFooChombey]

Let's take a look at the color wheel, shall we?

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Night and day implies opposites. Opposite from blue/violet is orange/yellow. Now see the chart below. I took these colors from the lighter parts of Roy's arm cape. The first sample represents the artwork TOCK showed us. The second shows us the suggested fixes posted in this thread which I was basing my comment on. The third, or first on the bottom row, is taken directly from the official art. The final sample is neon purple.

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You'll notice that the first 3 samples are within one section of the color wheel and therefore similar. Not exactly the same, but close enough that this is nitpicky.

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Who am I to judge? I like to nitpick.

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was the dress blue & black or white & gold?

 

[PseudoTypical]

I appreciate your reasoning but I have to disagree with one part. Based on the entire color wheel, yes, the colors in question are similar, but it's still enough to make a noticeable difference on a character's design. I think it's pretty objectively agreeable that some character with one main color (think Sonic's blue), if it were color 1, would look hugely different if replaced with colors 2 or 3. In this case, while it's not Awakening Roy's main color per se, it's a symbol of his royalty, so it sticks out.

 

[GunBuster]

It's Smash Bros. Canon is this game's *****, so I really don't see it as a big deal. If it were a big moveset thing, I could see it, but it's a really small detail.

well, like what @ GFooChombey said
details are something that the PMDT have heavily prioritized across the alts so far, why is it suddenly not an issue here?

hell, "TEH PH1R3" is one of the very things Roy is known for and is now spread across his moveset quite a bit
why would you want to snuff the part of the character that is actually the reason for the fire in the first place?

 

[Nefnoj]

Mario shoots fireballs without any kind of flower. Zelda uses Link's spells. Samus uses infinite missiles, most of the Pokémon can't even learn "Taunt", and since when can Lucas dance like Wess?! This li'l inconsistency isn't the worst offender.

 

[GunBuster]

Mario shoots fireballs without any kind of flower. Zelda uses Link's spells. Samus uses infinite missiles, most of the Pokémon can't even learn "Taunt", and since when can Lucas dance like Wess?! This li'l inconsistency isn't the worst offender.

am I really not allowed to argue for accuracy's sake, as a Fire Emblem fan?

why break what is already working?

EDIT:

I'm actually coming back to this because I've come to realize just how much the above comment irritates me. You cannot put a powerup that you can lose as easily as you can gain from mario or a source of ammo for samus in the same light as the Sword of Seals, a goddamn Major plot point from Roy's game - you know, the thing the game is SUBTITLED AFTER (binding blade, Sword of Seals, take your pick of translation - they mean the same thing), what effectively makes him useable in the last parts of his game, and, i re-iterate, is still the origin of his fire-based attacks; he is not a firebender. I'd also argue It is part of his identity as a character for anyone who cares about him past smash bros, which is more than enough reason for it to be at least worked into the Awakening design.

 

[Draco_The]

Speaking of BiS, I would adore it if they made Bowser shout "SHOWTIME" during his entrance animation.

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[Comeback Kid]

am I really not allowed to argue for accuracy's sake, as a Fire Emblem fan?

You are, but in the process of doing it so often you seem incapable of seeing other people's viewpoints on this as being equally valid. The accuracy to the artwork that the costume is based on is way more important to most of us than the canon source of Roy's fire powers. A nameless sword as you say, one that may feel wrong to you but may be equally capable of fire attacks for all we know.

Samus fans (and this is an apt analogy whether or not you consider it a core of the character) may twinge a bit to see Light and Dark Samus using the plasma and ice beams instead of the correct beams from Metroid Prime: Echoes. Which is a very important plot point and the reason these suits are used in the first place, but if given the choice between using these accurate costumes with a standard attack set or not having them at all, the fomer is preferable. I know you suggested a third option, change the sword into some kind of Sword of Seals cosplay, but I don't see that happening.

In other words, it isn't a blasphemous attack on Roy's character if he uses his artwork sword. Variety is great.

 

[GFooChombey]

Confession time. I just put my laptop on the TV to enjoy some SGDQ and revisited this thread. On that screen, the color differences are much more distinguishable. I guess my laptop display is bad...

That said, I still stand by my point that it's nitpicky.


So how long until the PMDT figures out how to change fire/ice into light/dark with the same properties on the Light and Dark suits?