PM Arts and Alts Thread

[Nefnoj]

Isai Alvarado, one of the greatest Smash players, is known to have introduced god combos off of it in Smash 64 because you can't tech walls in that game. "Hell House" suits it better though.

Man, I'm such a casual... "Tech walls", "Isai", "Wavedashing", ha, I've never known what those are or how to use them right, even after I Googled 'em.

 

[Commander Hen]

Man, I'm such a casual... "Tech walls", "Isai", "Wavedashing", ha, I've never known what those are or how to use them right, even after I Googled 'em.

lol No worries, teching a surface, so either a wall, floor, or ceiling, is just pressing shield when you come in contact with it. Makes it so that you don't bounce around like a goon and get smacked even more.

 

[Sour Supreme]

So, when you spin the camera 360 degrees does it say Isai's House on the back of that?

 

[ArtfulHobbes]

So, when you spin the camera 360 degrees does it say Isai's House on the back of that?

PLEASE. YES.
This would be the best easter egg of all time

 

[arcticfox8]

I hope we get Metal Cavern redone because that might actually see tournament use.
Dreamland too I guess
but
Cavern > Dreamland imo
and my opinion is 100% correct 100% of the time

 

[Nefnoj]

lol No worries, teching a surface, so either a wall, floor, or ceiling, is just pressing shield when you come in contact with it. Makes it so that you don't bounce around like a goon and get smacked even more.

THAT'S A THING?!!
YOU - YOU CAN DO THAT?!!
I NEED TO PLAY SMASH RIGHT NOW.

 

[Shin F.]

So, when you spin the camera 360 degrees does it say Isai's House on the back of that?

If it doesn't, it should.

 

[Nefnoj]

Guys... There's already writing on Isai's House. It's in Hylian, though, does anyone have a translator?

 

[Shin F.]

Guys... There's already writing on Isai's House. It's in Hylian, though, does anyone have a translator?

Ooohhhh, that would be awesome.

I have a Hylian 64 font. Don't know if that's what they'd have used, or how accurate my font is, but Isai's House in that font appears like this.

 

[Nanobuds]

Guys... There's already writing on Isai's House. It's in Hylian, though, does anyone have a translator?

Found on reddit.
http://i.imgur.com/qQnwfpW.jpg

I didn't even realize Pik added this in.

 

[Shin F.]

Found on reddit.
http://i.imgur.com/qQnwfpW.jpg

I didn't even realize Pik added this in.

That's some serious attention to detail!

 

[Nanobuds]

Oh you don't even know yet.

Go camera scouting when you play the stage. I dare you.

 

[GP&B]

Jesus, you guys. This is incredible work.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Man, I'm such a casual... "Tech walls", "Isai", "Wavedashing", ha, I've never known what those are or how to use them right, even after I Googled 'em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ATy53FSb8

No one has come close to the sort of dominance over a Smash game that Isai has over 64. Watching him play that game is poetry in motion. The closest anyone else has come to that is Mew2King's Marth on FD, or his Sheik on Dreamland.

 

[Friesnchip]

Hey @ Nanobuds - I realize this may asking for a bit much while you're busy preparing for 3.5 - but considering you assisted with SJS's new ZSS, is anyone involved with that project interested in adapting the P:M ZSS alt costumes for use with that model?

 

[archedmaid]

Oh you don't even know yet.

Go camera scouting when you play the stage. I dare you.

Yes rotate the camera three sixty and see the whole replica of Hyrule.

 

[CBO0tz]

So this is the last Project M Art Tuesday....damn.
Which characters are left to get costumes? Let us discuss.

1. Diddy Kong. What are we getting for him? My bet is on his striker outfit, or a Donkey Kong JR. Shirt.
2. Ivysaur. Given the treatment that happened with Squirtle, I think we might get a completely original design.
3. Charizard. We can't have Mega Charizard X or Y officially, so I may just say this gets Squirtle treatment as well.
4. Roy. *sob* Likely his Awakening costume, or some other Lord cosplay. We'll have to wait and see.
5. Olimar. We did get recolours, but no official costume yet. I have no idea.
6. Game&Watch. Likely just recolours. Which I'm perfectly okay with.

And we haven't officially seen Zero Suit Samus's Alts, but we are getting them.

I'd like this as a Diddy Kong alt.. heheheh...

I'm still hoping for Gardening Ivysaur, and Armored Charizard is still a thing people like.
Roy: LEIF.
Olimar: an outfit based on Brittany and Charlie is still something I think people want. Also the Pikmin Olimar.

Also I see that Saffron City, Green Greens, Jungle Japes(I think..?) And Metal Cave are planned to be remade.. *salivates*

I'm not really sure what could be done extra for Greens though, the best thing I've seen for a remake of it was Dream Greens. Could the PMDT top that?

Jungle Japes, I wouldn't really know what could be done to make that map better looking either.

 

[Nefnoj]

I'd like this as a Diddy Kong alt.. heheheh...

I'm still hoping for Gardening Ivysaur, and Armored Charizard is still a thing people like.
Roy: LEIF.
Olimar: an outfit based on Brittany and Charlie is still something I think people want. Also the Pikmin Olimar.

Also I see that Saffron City, Green Greens, Jungle Japes(I think..?) And Metal Cave are planned to be remade.. *salivates*

I'm not really sure what could be done extra for Greens though, the best thing I've seen for a remake of it was Dream Greens. Could the PMDT top that?

Jungle Japes, I wouldn't really know what could be done to make that map better looking either.

Yeah, but you can't have JUST beat-up Diddy, you gotta top that by including beat-up Donkey! I would like to see Olimar wearing, not only the other's suits, but sporting their hairstyles and facial hair as well, akin to Sonic and his costumes. It'd be even more cool if his whistle changed for each one, though I doubt that'll actually happen.

Except Brittany. I don't want cross-dressing Olimar.

 

[NinfanNanz]

Why not Astronaut Olimar? Like legitimate astronaut clothing. I think that would be really neat.

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

I still feel that Pikmin Olimar (Based off of the bad ending in the first game) would be best.

 

[Shin F.]

Why not Astronaut Olimar? Like legitimate astronaut clothing. I think that would be really neat.

Why not remove the space suit entirely and just give him some casual clothes? Have him dress like his son.

Spoiler

 

[Draco_The]

I still feel that Pikmin Olimar (Based off of the bad ending in the first game) would be best.

Olimar as Pikmin and Pikmin as Olimar.

 

[Nefnoj]

Why not Astronaut Olimar? Like legitimate astronaut clothing. I think that would be really neat.

I always thought that his red or white clothes were kinda like that.

I still feel that Pikmin Olimar (Based off of the bad ending in the first game) would be best.

Hear, hear!

Why not remove the space suit entirely and just give him some casual clothes? Have him dress like his son.

Spoiler

View attachment 27962

Wouldn't that interfere with the hitbox/hurtbox stuff?

Olimar as Pikmin and Pikmin as Olimar.

There's already an Olimar as Pikmin hack on the vault... It's terrifying.

 

[TimeSmash]

Watch something like a Druid Olimar come up with different colored Mandrakes instead of Pikmin

 

[Shin F.]

Wouldn't that interfere with the hitbox/hurtbox stuff?

No bone edits, should work fine.

 

[Nanobuds]

No bone edits, should work fine.

The antenna :/

 

[Shin F.]

The antenna :/

Can't you just, not include the mesh for it? Or is the antenna an external graphic attached to the bones? If that's the case, do you know if the antenna has hurt or hitboxes? If they don't, they could just be renamed so they don't have the GFX, but don't mess with the bone index. And their animations won't matter if they're not rigged to anything.

Or if they do have hurt/ hitboxes, I guess that wouldn't work, but I have a hard time imagining the antenna as having those.

 

[Nanobuds]

Can't you just, not include the mesh for it? Or is the antenna an external graphic attached to the bones? If that's the case, do you know if the antenna has hurt or hitboxes? If they don't, they could just be renamed so they don't have the GFX, but don't mess with the bone index.

Or if they do have hurt/ hitboxes, I guess that wouldn't work, but I have a hard time imagining the antenna as having those.

The graphic is attached to a bone. I think its actually an article in his moveset files...
Renaming the antenna bone will cause graphical issues with his Space Ship. I've tried it before with imports from a looooong time ago.

 

[Shin F.]

The graphic is attached to a bone. I think its actually an article in his moveset files...
Renaming the antenna bone will cause graphical issues with his Space Ship. I've tried it before with imports from a looooong time ago.

Darn, that's too bad. Oh, well.

I wonder why his antenna bone would affect the Space Ship... seems odd that they would be related somehow.

 

[Draco_The]

I was browsing the Brawl Vault and I can't believe no one thought about this for a Link's alt:

Spoiler

 

[NinfanNanz]

I was browsing the Brawl Vault and I can't believe no one thought about this for a Link's alt:

Spoiler

It doesn't follow the rules.
It changes the character completely, thus the identity. No one would be able to recognize that as Link.
It is a cool alt though.

 

[Shin F.]

It doesn't follow the rules.
It changes the character completely, thus the identity. No one would be able to recognize that as Link.
It is a cool alt though.

Actually, it doesn't. The Hero's Shade is Link. In fact, it's been suggested before.

 

[NinfanNanz]

Actually, it doesn't. The Hero's Shade is Link. In fact, it's been suggested before.

Well, technically, but no one who hasn't played the Twilight Princess series would know that, so it would really hard to identify him as Link. I think if he had just the armor, but was still Link on the inside, it would be cool.

 

[Shin F.]

Well, technically, but no one who hasn't played the Twilight Princess series would know that, so it would really hard to identify him as Link. I think if he had just the armor, but was still Link on the inside, it would be cool.

Doesn't matter. It's still within the rules because it doesn't change his identity. In any case, the point is moot. Link won't likely be getting any more costumes since he's full now, since we saw the black OoT alt in the video.

 

[Draco_The]

Even if that alt would have broken that rule it wouldn't be the first alt to do so. I mean, look at Mr L!! He's obviously not Luigi.

 

[NinfanNanz]

Doesn't matter. It's still within the rules because it doesn't change his identity. In any case, the point is moot. Link won't likely be getting any more costumes since he's full now, since we saw the black OoT alt in the video.

Fair enough. Whateves. I am ok with Black OOT link. It's the twilight Princess costume we never got.

 

[QuickRat]

Well, technically, but no one who hasn't played the Twilight Princess series would know that, so it would really hard to identify him as Link. I think if he had just the armor, but was still Link on the inside, it would be cool.

Actually, TP Link is not OoT Link, so that rule is also violated.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Actually, TP Link is not OoT Link, so that rule is also violated.

I think the PMBR did know but didn't care too much, since both characters are both adults, have similar bodies (unlike Toon Link and Young Link) and are both still called Link. So they flexed the rules just for Link, Zelda, Shiek, and Ganondorf. Naked Snake and Solid Snake are also different people entirely, but since their bodies are very similar and both use the Snake moniker, the PMBR decided to make Big Boss an alt for Snake as well.

Bottom line is that they can get away with it because not only are they visually similar but also have the same moniker.

 

[Comeback Kid]

At this point it's very clear only strict rules apply to new characters, for obvious reasons like copyright and limited slot space.

New costumes allow for cosplays of many things as long as the character doesn't take the exact look of a completely different type of character.

Related question, can this please still be a costume because it works?

Olimar and White are both controlling assholes.

 

[QuickRat]

I think the PMBR did know but didn't care too much, since both characters are both adults, have similar bodies (unlike Toon Link and Young Link) and are both still called Link. So they flexed the rules just for Link, Zelda, Shiek, and Ganondorf. Naked Snake and Solid Snake are also different people entirely, but since their bodies are very similar and both use the Snake moniker, the PMBR decided to make Big Boss an alt for Snake as well.

Bottom line is that they can get away with it because not only are they visually similar but also have the same moniker.

I just used that example to say those rules are not sacred ones. There can be exceptions.