Please rate ... My Perfect Smash

[MasterCheef]

My Perfect Smash

Roster

01-02 MARIO + _ ( LUIGI _ = _ Echo )
03 LINK
04 SAMUS
05-06 FOX + _ ( Wolf _ = _ Echo )
07 PIKACHU
08 PIT
09 PALUTENA
10-11 INKLING + _ ( Octoling _ = _ Echo )
12-13 MII BOMBARDIER + _ ( MII MAGE _ = _ Echo )
14 PYRA
15 DECIDUEYE
16 LOKI from FEH
17 NOTT from FEH
18-19 ( _ EUNIE + TAION _ ) from XBC3
20 IMPA___AoC
21 TABUU

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My DLC Wishlist
22 MASTER CHIEF __ HALO __ via 343I & MICROSOFT
23 AHRi __ ( League of Legends ) __ via Riot Games & Tencent
24 SPITFIRE __ ( Dungeon Fighter Online ) __ via Neople
25 New Character ?? __ from __ Tales of __ via Bandai Namco

more characters are fine these are just the ones i really want

Stages:__Poke-floats__Gamer__Boxing Ring__Pictochat 2__Kalos Pokemon League____Small Battlefield

Gameplay ( Fixes / updates )​

1 replace (_ air jumps ) with ( AIR__DASHES _)
2 add a powerful forward air meter which gets charged by doing DAMAGE
3 In 1V1s Player fighters should always auto turn to face 1 opponent when standing still
4 Move Titles: ( Supper Sudden Death ) & ( Ready Go ) to the screen’s top
5 Give big stages their own ( seperate list + seperate random pick )
6 Taunt Fixes = Make Best taunts be up taunt & give better taunts
7 C stick default = tilt attacks
8 MINIMALIZE INPUT LAG

Character ( Fixes / updates )​

Samus: : - Neutral Special = ice missile
Samus’ left or right special = Battlehammer = fires green globules of energy in an arc
Samus‘ screw attack gets 2X range buff & diagonal options.
Samus gets a normal grab range

Fox: : - Reflector can only be held for a maximum of 480 frames at a time

Pikachu’s up Special = Fly
Pikachu’s Neutral Special = Shock Wave
Pikachu’s Left or Right Special = Charge Beam
Pikachu becomes the same size as Pichu

Pit: : - fix F-AIR so swords rotate above his hands. . nerf end lag on upper cut arm in air.

Palutena
startup buff side tilt = frame 12
startup buff down air = frame 7
Forward air = Angelic Missile
Projectile speed buff for Neutral Special: ( Auto Aim ) = ( + 30% )

inkling: : - There are so many interesting weapons from Splatoon. At least swap out the roller.

PYRA = Side special: = Airborne assault = mii swordfighter’s good distance side special

MII BOMBARDIER
neutral special: = Miikita = works just like Snake’s Nikita
Side special: = bomb drop
Down special: = reflector
Up special: =

NOTT == new Byleth though better
neutral special: = ??
Up special: = ??
Side special: = ??
Down special: = ??

LOKI
neutral special: = ??
Up special: = ??
Side special: = ??
Down special: = ??

Impa / Purah
Down special: = sheik’s grenade
neutral special: = Sheikah Laser. A blue Sheikah symbol appears over Impa, firing a laser on both sides of her.
Side special: = Sheikah Rush .she invisibly dashes forward. if connecting, she slash’s opponent before reappears.
Up special: = Glider. Impa will jump up & throw exploding kunai below). then, she will use a glider & float forward. The glide can be cancelled by attacking or jumping.

TABUU
neutral special: = Tabuu Shot
Up special: = Explosion Attack
Side special: = Blade Charge
Down special: = Discharge Attack

Get rid of items​

Banana Gun
Beetle
Boss Galaga
Death’s Scythe
Fire Bar
Fire Flower
Green Shell
Gust Bellows
Hammer
Hocotate Bomb
Mr. Saturn
Screw Attack
Smoke Ball
Star rod
Warp star

Spirit Fixes = All legendary primary spirits W/ 10,000 + POWER should have a generic useful ability​

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Greatly reduced roster is a good idea.

Keeping Kid Icarus and Xenoblade but removing Donkey Kong; Sonic; and Pac-Man is not.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Really bad roster with questionable decisions. Luigi should have his own spot and not an Echo

 

[MasterCheef]

Greatly reduced roster is a good idea.

Keeping Kid Icarus and Xenoblade but removing Donkey Kong; Sonic; and Pac-Man is not.

Sonic and Pac-man are third Party. I was trying to keep base roster Firsty party and Second Party for Remasters. Donkey Kong is a subsect of Mario. so obviously going with the size and characters i wanted DK was obviously the choice.

Really bad roster with questionable decisions. Luigi should have his own spot and not an Echo

at least do me the favor of explaining why you don't like my roster outside of Luigi.

 

[Otoad64]

You cut Mario down to one plus an echo and got rid of DK, Kirby, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Sonic and Pac-Man yet Kid Icarus still has 2 fighters.

What the heck

 

[CrusherMania1592]

at least do me the favor of explaining why you don't like my roster outside of Luigi.

Gladly

• Mario having only 1 unique fighter and an echo while you got other series (Xenoblade) with 3 reps doesn't seem right when Mario is the face of Nintendo. Give him an unique second rep or make Luigi more unique. This isn't SSB 64
• Some series (Kid Iracus, Xenoblade, Star Fox, Splatoon) don't need a second rep for a roster this small
• Tabuu is a nice surprise, but not really needed on this roster
• You remove all the 3rd party characters, yet add characters that are different
• Several major series (DK, Kirby for example) are lacking

If this whole thing was a starting roster, I'd be all for it. But as final roster? There's so many things that feels off

 

[MasterCheef]

Gladly

• Mario having only 1 unique fighter and an echo while you got other series (Xenoblade) with 3 reps doesn't seem right when Mario is the face of Nintendo. Give him an unique second rep or make Luigi more unique. This isn't SSB 64
• Some series (Kid Iracus, Xenoblade, Star Fox, Splatoon) don't need a second rep for a roster this small
• Tabuu is a nice surprise, but not really needed on this roster
• You remove all the 3rd party characters, yet add characters that are different
• Several major series (DK, Kirby for example) are lacking

If this whole thing was a starting roster, I'd be all for it. But as final roster? There's so many things that feels off

I would happily add another Mario Rep if there was one i felt could, who actually belongs. probably Wario & Waluigi. neither of whom would be echoes.
Xenoblade takes up 2 slots same as SSBU.
the whole point is to have a unique as possible roster.
DK and Kirby are absent on purpose.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Reading it is painful with the weird formatting and _this_everywhere.

 

[Oddball]

Greatly reduced roster is a good idea.

I would disagree, but even if you were to reduce the roster, this is not how you should do it. Important and iconic character have been cut and repalced with "litteraly who?" characters. Huge important franchises are absent and minor franchies get multiple characters. It's so inconsistent that it almost feels like names were randomly drawn from a hat.

You remove all the 3rd party characters, yet add characters that are different

Different AND less important and iconic.

I would happily add another Mario Rep if there was one i felt could, who actually belongs. probably Wario & Waluigi. neither of whom would be echoes.
Xenoblade takes up 2 slots same as SSBU.
the whole point is to have a unique as possible roster.
DK and Kirby are absent on purpose.

Well, it's certainly unique. It's not good, but it's unique.

You took out Donkey Kong and pac-man two of the most important and well known videogame characters that ever existed because they didn't fit in and decided that Dungeon Fighter Online and XBC3 were important enough to include.

On top of that, you roster literally includes a character that doesn't even exist.

Let me go ahead and rate your roster now. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give this a negative 8.

Reading it is painful with the weird formatting and _this_everywhere.

Also this.

 

[Deleted member]

If you're asking for honest opinion:

Lot of werid cuts. I don't mind a reduced roster but no Kirby or DK? No Yoshi? No other Mario Reps? No Retros? Impa and Decidueye are fine but the other newcomers are weird. Cutting Marth/Ike/ETC but bringing in two random FE mobile game reps? Weird. KI being the only other series to have two non echo reps? weird. Cutting Sonic/Mega Man/Pac-Man but bringing in third parties as DLC anyway (though MC, League and a Tales character aren't necessarily bad picks) is bizzare.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

Why is there 2 fire emblem mobile game characters over Kirby and DK???

 

[Tankman from Newgrounds]

Reading this makes me very uncomfortable.

I would prefer the current smash over yours.

I wouldn't call your smash "Perfect", but I would call it incomprehensible.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

Reading this makes me very uncomfortable.

I would prefer the current smash over yours.

I wouldn't call your smash "Perfect", but I would call it incomprehensible.

Tank-man, you killed him! You didn’t have to go that dummy hard!

 

[Tankman from Newgrounds]

Tank-man, you killed him! You didn’t have to go that dummy hard!

I'm sorry. I just tried to express myself when I was looking at the post.

 

[MasterCheef]

First thank you to all who responded except Venus of the Desert Bloom because literally i got no rating from ( her ? ). I just wanted an idea on people's feelings on my ideal roster.

Huge important franchises are absent and minor franchises get multiple characters. It's so inconsistent that it almost feels like names were randomly drawn from a hat.

i can't imagine putting in Palutrena without Pit

Lot of werid cuts. I don't mind a reduced roster but no Kirby or DK? No Yoshi? No other Mario Reps? No Retros? Impa and Decidueye are fine but the other newcomers are weird

Kirby in my humble opinion looks like an animated cancerous blob. honestly DK is a lackluster character in playstyle for me. honestly Yoshi kind just feels like an expanded prop to me. I hate most of the Retros.

Why is there 2 fire emblem mobile game characters over Kirby and DK???

see above

I wouldn't call your smash "Perfect", but I would call it incomprehensible.

I understand this sentiment because 1 ; my goal with the base roster is Nintendo only. 2 as stated previously i hate most Retro reps. 3 My goal is quality over quantity. and I really hate most swordies too

 

[Oddball]

3 My goal is quality over quantity.

You managed to have neither quality nor quantity with your roster.

Even if you don't personally like some of the iconic characters, they are in fact, iconic. Your preferences seem to run more towards the JRPG style of character designs, which is only a faction of the smash roster and an even tiny fraction of what represents Nintendo as a whole.

Imagine if somebody were to make a Justice League game, and in that game they decided not to include Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash because they didn't like their costumes. Instead they bring in three random members of the Suicide Squad and Johna Hex. You'd probabaly be wondering what the heck they were thinking, right? That's basically what you did here.

 

[MasterCheef]

they are in fact, iconic.

I am not disputing the 3rd party characters in SSBU's iconic history. I AM DISPUTING the quality of game-play they provide to SSBU.
the thought which bothers me most is the characters history or know ability seems to be the primary factor. Rather than how the character would play.
To me the first and most important factor is how would the character play. Literally everyone who responded did not seem to have it as an issue.
Costumes are not even remotely equivalent. it has to with the characters ability to operate in the context of the gameplay.
Yes i do have quantity. any whole number greater than zero defines the quantity. Furthermore you did not actually define what you mean by quality

 

[Oddball]

I am not disputing the 3rd party characters in SSBU's iconic history. I AM DISPUTING the quality of game-play they provide to SSBU.
the thought which bothers me most is the characters history or know ability seems to be the primary factor. Rather than how the character would play.
To me the first and most important factor is how would the character play. Literally everyone who responded did not seem to have it as an issue.
Costumes are not even remotely equivalent. it has to with the characters ability to operate in the context of the gameplay.

So, if I am to understand your mentality right, you're looking at the roster and thinking "I don't like how these great, wonderful, and beloved characters play. So I will cut them. Then I will replace them with horrible new characters that I can make new move sets for."

Now rather than having characters people like that have moves they don't like, you have characters that people don't like that have moves that they do.
Instead, what you could have done was simply CHANGE the moves for the characters you don't like. You could have just as easily typed "I want Mega Man except good."

Yes i do have quantity. any whole number greater than zero defines the quantity.

You said yourself that you chose quality over quantity. That's you admitting that you didn't go with quantity. Don't try to weasel out on technicalities and word play.

Furthermore you did not actually define what you mean by quality

You haven't really said what you meant either. You certainly haven't shown me any quality choices in characters. I'm trying not to be too horribly mean, but you have a really bad poorly thought out selection of characters. When I say quality, I mean"the characters that everybody likes and good amounts of them." Your roster is severely lacking in that respect.

This may be what you consider a perfect roster, but every single other person in the world will hate it. (That's not hyperbole. I asked them.)

 

[Baysha]

Personally, I'm not fan. The roster choices are weird, with nobodies replacing iconic characters, the forward air meter is honestly really strange, and Master Chief is in it. Eww.......

But with these in mind, I rate this 10/10. I definitely do not like the roster, I may even say that it think it's kinda terrible. Do I think this would go over well with... anyone else? No. But this is your perfect Smash. You stick to your guns and include what you want and only what you want with no mind paid to what anyone else thinks. And honestly, that is so ****ing based.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

This is why people need to indicate whether their roster a wishlist or prediction roster. A wishlist roster is always hard to rate because it falls into “this is my personal preferences” and can’t be held to logic that’s helps by both participants. I could make a roster that’s entirely different versions of Mario, get flak for it, and then respond with “Well, this is what I want so poo on you.” It makes both arguments infallible and, at the risk of the rater, makes them look like an ass for giving a bad rating over someone’s preferences. The result is rigged to be positive towards the wishlist creator.

That being said, I should of provided a rating. I was gonna but I forgot about this thread.

1/10

The 1 is because because of Chief and Ahri. FEH reps are a joke to add; especially given that recent FE additions have been very interesting in regards to gameplay.

Not to mention:
you would remove the “Mario” of FE

Keeping Palutena over Peach

moving actual legit characters to being echoes

Removing the three Mii classes which forms a perfect balanced triangle between three aspects of fighting game design over…two things that are functionally the same (explosive zoner bait).

Adding a second XBC rep despite taking out equally important and interesting characters such as Falcon, Mewtwo, Ridley, Lucas, Olimar, etc.

Removing Kirby and DK is idiotic to be truthful. DK represents the basic melee grappler which is constantly representing in fighting games. You lack any of these sort of archetypes actually. You need heavyweight bruisers in a roster.

Removing Kirby cause he’s a cancerous blob. Seriously, I may hate Bandana Dee but I often put in him my rosters cause he’s super popular. How can we deliver an unbiased rating when the entire creation of this roster is built on bias?

There’s hordes of things I would touch on and that’s not even mentioning the inclusion of DFO which, while not bad, is a huge question mark when comparing to the logic you put forth.

Again, it’s super hard to read due to your weird formatting so I only looked at the characters. The changes I don’t mind except for, like, maybe Palutena. She is sitting just fine where she is at. Pikachu was a good choice though.

And what the heck is up with the up taunt needs to be best? That’s a really weird to be hung up on. The taunts are fine. If anything, add a right and left taunt. Other than that, they are fine.

So yeah,

1/10.

 

[MasterCheef]

Thank you for your feedback. Again i would like to note it is official ; the popularity of every single DLC up to this point in SSBU did NOT translate to improved sales. So I think popularity should not be the most significant factor anymore when considering characters.

You need heavyweight bruisers in a roster.

I would love heavy weight bruisers. i have yet to see even 1 be implemented to my degree of satisfaction. so i left them out.

Keeping Palutena over Peach

Palutena is my current favorite character in Smash, no way would i cut her. also i imagine i would hugely remake Peach to make her work so i rather left her out instead based on the roster size i desired. Although i would not have a problem including her.

moving actual legit characters to being echoes

have no idea what you mean here. Legit characters who have the exact or near the exact same body shape and moves are legit characters ? so confused??

you would remove the “Mario” of FE

Marth or Roy ?

And what the heck is up with the up taunt needs to be best?

the answer is quite simple. 1 Most of the taunts in SSBU are hot trash. 2 up taunt is the closest to the left thumb stick

Adding a second XBC rep despite taking out equally important and interesting characters such as Falcon, Mewtwo, Ridley, Lucas, Olimar, etc.

Ridley, i would agree with as important. Interesting i don't find him. everyone else kind of ancient as far as video games go & boring.No reply concerning Mewtwo is relevant because Let's go Pikachu & Eevee are not mainline games. Mewtwo was only a meaningful boss pokemon in the 1st 3 games. Also he is ugly as all get out.

Now rather than having characters people like that have moves they don't like

all i can hear from this is just your sour i did not include characters who do not play well in smash.

quality, I mean"the characters that everybody likes & good amounts of them.

this is literally impossible. there are no character(s) everyone likes. liking a character and having them fit well into Smash are two different things.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Thank you for your feedback. Again i would like to note it is official ; the popularity of every single DLC up to this point in SSBU did NOT translate to improved sales. So I think popularity should not be the most significant factor anymore when considering characters.

Do you have sources to back this up?

I would love heavy weight bruisers. i have yet to see even 1 be implemented to my degree of satisfaction. so i left them out.

Why not try retooling some of our current heavyweights since you did it for the other characters? Excluding Donkey Kong is just plain silly considering his impact and importance to the gaming industry.

Palutena is my current favorite character in Smash, no way would i cut her. also i imagine i would hugely remake Peach to make her work so i rather left her out instead based on the roster size i desired. Although i would not have a problem including her.

So the wishlist is mostly based on bias rather than logical inclusions and additions. This is why it’s hard to critique a wishlist because it just boils down to “it’s my own preferences”.

have no idea what you mean here. Legit characters who have the exact or near the exact same body shape and moves are legit characters ? so confused??

I should of clairified. You put Luigi as an Echo of Mario despite Luigi playing very differently compared to Mario. Same goes for Wolf. Either have them continue to be separate fighters or take them out.

Marth or Roy ?

There isn’t an universe where Roy is the Mario of FE.

the answer is quite simple. 1 Most of the taunts in SSBU are hot trash. 2 up taunt is the closest to the left thumb stick

I 100% disagree on this - the taunts are fine. As for the second part, I fail to see the logic in this. This also brings up the question that was is “the best taunt”.

Ridley, i would agree with as important. Interesting i don't find him. everyone else kind of ancient as far as video games go & boring.No reply concerning Mewtwo is relevant because Let's go Pikachu & Eevee are not mainline games. Mewtwo was only a meaningful boss pokemon in the 1st 3 games. Also he is ugly as all get out.

…..are you even listening to yourself? That’s is incredibly horrible reasoning. I’m not even a fan of Mewtwo but the sheer amount of popularity and history the Pokémon far trumps any other Pokemon - especially Decidueye. Why cut them when you can retool them to what you think would be better.

all i can hear from this is just your sour i did not include characters who do not play well in smash.

Playing well is subjective. I main Zero Suit, Zelda, and Ike who all feature playstyles I personally enjoy and I feel they play well. You seemingly don’t they that based on the fact you decided to remove them. I know this is your wishlist and you are entitled to your opinion but removing characters arbitrarily and expecting people to take you seriously is ridiculous. Calling Kirby a “cancerous blob”, Yoshi “an expanded prop” and an Mewtwo “ugly” and not being meaningful in recent games deapite constantly getting featured in mainline games

Then you go and call out a post as being biased because “this is just your sour i did not include characters who do not play well in smash.” when this horribly formatted wishlist is just one big plate of biased and unfounded opinions.

 

[MasterCheef]

Again much thanks replying. It appears I should go back to the drawing board & do 3 categories, Heavy Command Grabbers, Swordies & Zoners

Playing well is subjective.

The quality of a character's move-set and attributes are objective. Objectivity as it relates to how well a character plays is my main concern. Not how well someone plays with a given character. i am not trying to insult anyone's ability to play. I merely think we should get a much tighter character tier list without any Bottom or Mid tiers. Case and point, I have tried to play a lot w/ Zelda and King DeDeDe. even heavily buffing them w/ spirits outside of the significantly increased damage done not make them feel fun. Although i do feel; a rework would help them play much better For King DeDede it is not having a quality Dash attack. For Zelda her Forward Air sour spot is just too terrible. ironically I still play them online quite often.

Then you go and call out a post as being biased because “this is just your sour i did not include characters who do not play well in smash.” when this horribly formatted wishlist is just one big plate of biased and unfounded opinions.

to be clear it was not directed at you. Moreover the complaint they seem to be making is certain characters deserve to be in the game based on their history, Rather than primarily based on how well a well founded iconic moveset would work in Smash. I obviously care more about how well a moveset and attributes would work in Smash.

Why cut them when you can retool them to what you think would be better.

I chose to cut most of the current cast because i hate most of them. Zelda & Rob are the two exceptions whom i actually like quite a bit. I would def trade Ganondorf for Toon Ganondorf. i would hugely remake Peach to make her work. Captain Falcon could probably stay too though i would swap out his moveset with Ganondorf's and obviously change his run-speed too. Mewtwo's design is horrifyingly ugly. there is no living ; animal / insect or anything else on planet earth with a neck design so broken and ineffective. also the design of the tail looks like where the reproductive parts and large amount of the digestive tract would be were carved out and a large ugly tail replaced the whole thing. The reason i want him out is how ugly i find him and how much more i would enjoy a Decidueye character. i would be OK with retooling him.

 

[Oddball]

I merely think we should get a much tighter character tier list without any Bottom or Mid tiers.

Impossible.
You can't have a roster without bottom or mid tier characters. Even if you only had two characters on your roster, one of them would be worse than the other. All you're doing is changing which characters are considered bottom and mid.

to be clear it was not directed at you. Moreover the complaint they seem to be making is certain characters deserve to be in the game based on their history, Rather than primarily based on how well a well founded iconic moveset would work in Smash. I obviously care more about how well a moveset and attributes would work in Smash.

Why even make a roster list if you don't care about the actual characters?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I chose to cut most of the current cast because i hate most of them. Zelda & Rob are the two exceptions whom i actually like quite a bit. I would def trade Ganondorf for Toon Ganondorf. i would hugely remake Peach to make her work. Captain Falcon could probably stay too though i would swap out his moveset with Ganondorf's and obviously change his run-speed too. Mewtwo's design is horrifyingly ugly. there is no living ; animal / insect or anything else on planet earth with a neck design so broken and ineffective. also the design of the tail looks like where the reproductive parts and large amount of the digestive tract would be were carved out and a large ugly tail replaced the whole thing. The reason i want him out is how ugly i find him and how much more i would enjoy a Decidueye character. i would be OK with retooling him.

I'm not gonna lie man: you're digging your own grave within this thread.

Giving some really terrible reasons stated above made me get a headache and made everyone criticize your roster heavily to where this is one of the worst rosters I've ever seen...probably within the top three worst rosters ever. There's too many illogical reasons and explanations for your roster and leaves a lot of head scratching. I'll give you 10/10 for creativity as this is a creative roster on paper. But by looking into the game and your reasons to many of the cuts, it goes down to 1/10.

Some of the characters you don't like are heavily featured, heavily popular, or heavily involved with the video game industry and shouldn't be left out regardless. I don't like some of the characters, but if they have a realistic reason for being there, they earned it. Steve is one in particular for me, but if he returns, then he earned it.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not gonna lie man: you're digging your own grave within this thread.

Giving some really terrible reasons stated above made me get a headache and made everyone criticize your roster heavily to where this is one of the worst rosters I've ever seen...probably within the top three worst rosters ever. There's too many illogical reasons and explanations for your roster and leaves a lot of head scratching. I'll give you 10/10 for creativity as this is a creative roster on paper. But by looking into the game and your reasons to many of the cuts, it goes down to 1/10.

Some of the characters you don't like are heavily featured, heavily popular, or heavily involved with the video game industry and shouldn't be left out regardless. I don't like some of the characters, but if they have a realistic reason for being there, they earned it. Steve is one in particular for me, but if he returns, then he earned it.

Uhh, I have a question. Why do people think that Smash rosters need to be connected to the gaming industry or marketable in order to be logical? Wouldn’t a more passion-based set of choices be more fulfilling for the developers and audience than a more corporate-based one?

 

[Baysha]

Uhh, I have a question. Why do people think that Smash rosters need to be connected to the gaming industry or marketable in order to be logical? Wouldn’t a more passion-based set of choices be more fulfilling for the developers and audience than a more corporate-based one?

This. If you're so adamant about "iconic" characters why not just copy and paste a "most popular video game characters" list and call it a day?

 

[Deleted member]

This. If you're so adamant about "iconic" characters why not just copy and paste a "most popular video game characters" list and call it a day?

Bruh, someone actually agreed with me. But yeah, marketability is cool and all, but for me, passion should always come first. If you focus on what you’re passionate about, you’ll care a lot more about not only what you want to see, but what the community wants to see. Passion definitely shows, even in the tiniest of details. It can also help to streamline and focus not only the project itself, but it’s community. Both things have their benefit.

Also, where ever did Sakurai, one of the other developers, or the spokesmen for either say anything about the vision for Smash or how it should be run? It just feels like people assume and make up fan rules, and then force them on others because they think it’s true. It’s just weird.

 

[MasterCheef]

Impossible.
You can't have a roster without bottom or mid tier characters. Even if you only had two characters on your roster, one of them would be worse than the other. All you're doing is changing which characters are considered bottom and mid.

What i mean is the tier list should be ( good, better & great ). Not a large amount of ineffective characters. which is where we are at w/ SSBU.