Qvando
Smash Rookie
I know this may sound stupid, but does anyone have any tips for playing an aggressive Marth or is it just not possible? Many thanks 
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Playing an aggressive Marth
- Thread starter Qvando
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Niko45
Smash Master
Unfortunately no. Any marth who has ever jumped or moved forward has instantly regretted it.
Qvando
Smash Rookie
So it's just simply not possible to approach with Marth even if you space properly?
Stylez
Smash Cadet
Looks like you already know the answer, sir.
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
marth can be aggressive once he hit confirms or gets a grab. as for approaching... what Niko said
leffen
Smash Champion
wow you guys are so ********
LOL did I seriously get an infraction for this^
LOL did I seriously get an infraction for this^
Niko45
Smash Master
I kno rite pretty good post imo
Beat!
Smash Master
6/10 im o
Niko45
Smash Master
True, well, better than his real posts at least.
OH SNAP
OH SNAP
Beat!
Smash Master
damn shots fired
>Marth
>Approaching
Pick one
In all seriousness though I'd love to see Leffen Dart or one of the more aggro-y players give a writeup on the ins and outs of playing an aggro marth, maybe not a mango style aggressiveness, but more than just DD grab camping.
>Approaching
Pick one
In all seriousness though I'd love to see Leffen Dart or one of the more aggro-y players give a writeup on the ins and outs of playing an aggro marth, maybe not a mango style aggressiveness, but more than just DD grab camping.
Niko45
Smash Master
In all seriousness this is a given. You can't just DD grab camp and expect to beat good people as that's super obvious and easy to counter. Every good Marth has to get good at approaching at some point or another.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
pretty much this.
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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approaching is easy, it's approaching with aerials that is difficult..but mainly against fox (gets in under your aerials), falco (shoots you out of the sky), and falcon( ***** marth in the air).
the rest of the cast is relatively easy to approach in the air or on the ground.
Actually i spent all of yesterday experimenting with approaching with aerials even in the matchups where it's not safe...you exert a bit more pressure but are far more vulnerable....also, you get cooler looking combos..and at the end of the day, what's more important, tourney placement or combo video footage??
the rest of the cast is relatively easy to approach in the air or on the ground.
Actually i spent all of yesterday experimenting with approaching with aerials even in the matchups where it's not safe...you exert a bit more pressure but are far more vulnerable....also, you get cooler looking combos..and at the end of the day, what's more important, tourney placement or combo video footage??
.Chipmunk.
Smash Ace
We play this game for the combos. Otherwise we'd play brawl.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Looks like someone hasn't played Smash 64
.Ðempt
Certified Ponch
I disagree, Marth can approach. You just can't be stupid by going in and throwing nairs around like you just learned to SHFFL.
Marth can approach with a number of things:
1) Grabbing: Given this is an obvious thing for Marth to do, you're not going to simply walk up and grab your opponent. Mixing DD in when it looks like you're about to grab will help a lot, and from there you can lock your opponent on the ground, along with obvious comboing.
2) D-Tilt: A lot of people use it more as a CC/gtfo me move. By spacing it well (assuming it hits their shield), it can lead to a # of different options, such as D-Tilt --> Grab (taking advantage of the IASA frames), into another D-Tilt (again, use the damn IASA frames so you don't get your sword grabbed), or retreating N-Air or F-Air/Double F-Air away. I wouldn't use it more than twice in one poking though, cause then they usually start to figure out the timing for it so they can grab you. Regardless, it applies pressure while maintaining control.
3) Spaced F-Airs/Double F-Airs: If you SPACE them correctly (ie barely hitting with the tip) it allows you to apply additional pressure. By mixing it up between single ones and doubles, you won't become as predictable in your approach. These can also condition well for Tamahawk grabs, but be weary of OoS tricks.
Anyways, those are the three main ones I use. I used to be that guy that just liked to run in and N-Air a lot but I got punished for it so I actually had to find real ways to approach. There's other ways to approach to, but they aren't as consistent as these ones here.
Marth can approach with a number of things:
1) Grabbing: Given this is an obvious thing for Marth to do, you're not going to simply walk up and grab your opponent. Mixing DD in when it looks like you're about to grab will help a lot, and from there you can lock your opponent on the ground, along with obvious comboing.
2) D-Tilt: A lot of people use it more as a CC/gtfo me move. By spacing it well (assuming it hits their shield), it can lead to a # of different options, such as D-Tilt --> Grab (taking advantage of the IASA frames), into another D-Tilt (again, use the damn IASA frames so you don't get your sword grabbed), or retreating N-Air or F-Air/Double F-Air away. I wouldn't use it more than twice in one poking though, cause then they usually start to figure out the timing for it so they can grab you. Regardless, it applies pressure while maintaining control.
3) Spaced F-Airs/Double F-Airs: If you SPACE them correctly (ie barely hitting with the tip) it allows you to apply additional pressure. By mixing it up between single ones and doubles, you won't become as predictable in your approach. These can also condition well for Tamahawk grabs, but be weary of OoS tricks.
Anyways, those are the three main ones I use. I used to be that guy that just liked to run in and N-Air a lot but I got punished for it so I actually had to find real ways to approach. There's other ways to approach to, but they aren't as consistent as these ones here.
Dart!
Smash Master
There isn't much to say about the aggressive style.
The only helpful thing i can say is make sure you get the hit otherwise you'll be stunned that you missed and have to regroup and in that time you will probably lose.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Double fair is a pretty crappy approach AFAIK.
Roche_CL
Smash Journeyman
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For aggro approach i like run -> shield in their face xd
May sound stupid but works :0, they often spot dodge, roll, or attack, which all of them can be punished.
Also if you time correctly, you can get a shield parry (don't know if its called that way, when you block just when they hit and you get less shield-stun) and punish more efficiently.
Also there are certain characters that can be aproached with full jump rising Fair without being punished (you can 2nd jump away after Fair ends). Those chars are the ones that have slow jump action, like jigglypuff for example.
Sadly most high/top tier chars have fast jumps (except peach, but still don't know if it is unpunishable against her).
Tell me if im wrong, i can't try it out cause i got no one to play with but im almost sure it is an available option.
May sound stupid but works :0, they often spot dodge, roll, or attack, which all of them can be punished.
Also if you time correctly, you can get a shield parry (don't know if its called that way, when you block just when they hit and you get less shield-stun) and punish more efficiently.
Also there are certain characters that can be aproached with full jump rising Fair without being punished (you can 2nd jump away after Fair ends). Those chars are the ones that have slow jump action, like jigglypuff for example.
Sadly most high/top tier chars have fast jumps (except peach, but still don't know if it is unpunishable against her).
Tell me if im wrong, i can't try it out cause i got no one to play with but im almost sure it is an available option.
Qvando
Smash Rookie
Wow .Dempt, thank you ^.^