PK Grape... Explain Please ;_;

[Dan-Da-Man]

Sometimes when things like this happen, brawl makes me cry.

Can anyone explain? ~_~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otnaw_SVbcc

I'm the Falco, just watch my %

I could see some people doing this in tag team now, and just ruining...

 

[prOAPC]

NEW RECORD!
i remember that Levitas (or Tyr?) said that if a reflector touch the head of PK Thunder, Lucas can't control it anymore, but nothing happens if the reflector hits the tail. Each part of the tail hit only once, so what i think is that after the reflector hit the tail, each part of the tail was able to hit again. What i don't understand and surprises me, is the massive amount of damage >_>

 

[Browny]

i think... Lucas PKT is a continuous projectile like no other.

When the reflector came into contact with the tail (big difference) it reflected it for every single frame it was active. so maybe in the order of 15 times since falcos reflector lasts a while

 

[HailCrest]

When it's slowed down (thanks to the video maker for that btw), it's possible to see the damage's progress: From 8%, to 10%, to 42%, to 48%, to 56%, and finally 76% for the first half of the thing, before the guy looped it a second time.

Second loop: The damage goes from 76%, to 88%, 90%, then suddenly 100%, 102%, 122%, 136%, 156%.

Btw, you can see a hexagon around falco even after he was interrupted by PK thunder. Possibly the reflector was also going screwy in this thing.

 

[Dan-Da-Man]

it reflected it for every single frame it was active. so maybe in the order of 15 times since falcos reflector lasts a while

Yea, this is exactly what my friend and I thought happened. Still, we haven't tried to replicate it a second time... scary :S

 

[Levitas]

I commented on the video itself, but I'm pretty sure that the damage given is on two specific frames after the tail's been amplified a bunch and reverted with falco in the middle. Even in frame time, the number of % shown on each given frame "rolls" so it's not a good way to tell when and how much damage was done.

This has got to be the best example of the "glitch" I've ever seen. kudos.

The easiest way to see a similar mechanic in place is to do a fox illusion/falco phantasm into the back end of a PKT for up to ~20% (no reflection boost)

 

[Chuee]

Doesn't falco's reflector make attacks twice as strong?

 

[Matador]

Doesn't falco's reflector make attacks twice as strong?

Yeah, all reflectors multiply damage to some extent. I think it was a combination of the reflector hitting the tail allowing him to maintain control and the multiplied damage from Falco's reflector hitting the tail more than just once.

 

[Chuee]

Yeah, all reflectors multiply damage to some extent. I think it was a combination of the reflector hitting the tail allowing him to maintain control and the multiplied damage from Falco's reflector hitting the tail more than just once.

I remember seeing something similar to this in the ness boards with marios cape. Probably has to do with the reflector multiplying damage that the tail does.

 

[Sheth]

Wow.
So, perhaps the reflector, which can reflect multiple projectiles, actually put a multiplier on some hits of the PKT more than once? That's what makes sense to me. Then, each hit from the tail wouldn't have a 2X multiplier, it would have a 2X * however many times the PKT was registered as being reflected. Since the tail hits several times, each of the hits that HailCrest counted might have just been 1-2 tail strikes.

I dunno, I'm just speculating. I may play Falco, but as someone who prefers Lucas, I do find this quite amusing.

 

[Levitas]

A reflectorbox probably only can reflect a given hitbox once it's reflected ~12 others just like how hitbox refreshes worked in melee (YYG via thunderjacket, black hole glitch).

Therefore, it's possible that the 1.5 multiplier hit multiple times, and I wouldn't discount it, but it'd be really hard to do.

 

[lil cj]

Wow that was so cool
Ive never seen PKT do so much damage
PKT once again causes some sort of glitch
Like when you hit Fox or Falco at the start of their phantasm
they go in crazy directions lol

 

[Tyr_03]

Seems to happen when the tail is reflected. Too hard to control to use effectively in a match in my opinion.

 

[lil cj]

I just did this in an online match today
It didnt do as much damage but close enough
yea like everyone said if they reflect the tail
PKT last a little bit longer and the reflector doubles the attack damage