PK Flash and PK Freeze Compare and Contrast

[Terranrox]

I agree because there is no way Sakurai and his would notice how slow PK Flash is perhaps it might have super armor (a big wish) in exchange for the time it takes to aim the attack right

 

[Demon-oni]

It all depends on how you use it. Flash you could always use for a kill when your opponent was recovering, but freeze, until i see more of it, looks just as useful but freezes them too.

 

[dan smith]

Also, make it explode no matter what, even if it hits a surface or Lucas is attacked.

Definitely.

 

[Princess Diana]

I hope it moves faster... much faster, maybe it has small range or something.

Also lucas is just asking for it in that mystery move position

 

[Terranrox]

Do you propose that Lucas' PK Freeze will freeze the foes long enough until they fall to their demise?

 

[iron blade]

Do you propose that Lucas' PK Freeze will freeze the foes long enough until they fall to their demise?

hopefully, but we can't be sure until the game comes out. i also hope that at higher percents, it will kill opponents, like when you threw a freezie at someone with high damage, they went flying upward and didn't come back in melee.

 

[Terranrox]

hopefully, but we can't be sure until the game comes out. i also hope that at higher percents, it will kill opponents, like when you threw a freezie at someone with high damage, they went flying upward and didn't come back in melee.

Agreed that would be very useful, on the topic of usefulness i really hope that it is useful in the first place

 

[MarvinTPA]

freezies are considerably powerful items.
I think PKFR will have about the same knockback and effect.
About the same strength as Flash, only knockback is traded for freezing.
The length will determine knockback, damage AND freeze time, most likely.
It's just doesn't make sense for it to freeze for the same amount of time no matter the charge.
Oh, BTW, freeze will NOT make people fall to thier deaths.
It will knock"back" them upwards, like the freezie did, to counter instant deaths.
It was pretty hard to kill someone with a freezie. Vertically was really the only way.

 

[Terranrox]

freezies are considerably powerful items.
I think PKFR will have about the same knockback and effect.
About the same strength as Flash, only knockback is traded for freezing.
The length will determine knockback, damage AND freeze time, most likely.
It's just doesn't make sense for it to freeze for the same amount of time no matter the charge.
Oh, BTW, freeze will NOT make people fall to thier deaths.
It will knock"back" them upwards, like the freezie did, to counter instant deaths.
It was pretty hard to kill someone with a freezie. Vertically was really the only way.

True, but Brawl has new (or improved) laws of physics like how the bomb- omb is thrown at another player and the hit player flys off in the direction they are expected too. (Newton's First Law of Physics) Unlike the melee physics when hit by an explosion the opposing player flys in a 45 or 135 degree angle.

 

[Gedennnnn]

I don't really care. As long as its not nearly as horrible as PK Flash. I hope its a lot quicker and has a whole lot less lag. Not only with this but all of his attacks. Well I mean I hope he doesn't play like Ness. Though I wouldn't mind his jumps.

 

[MarvinTPA]

Oooh.
Sorry Geden, but Smashboards is filled with total nerds and tons of Jargon.
Did the Bomb-omb do that?
We could never hit each other with items anyway.
(any readers, disband the "we" comment, don't be an idiot.)
I apologize, freezies did kill by falling.
it's happened at least 5 times in the same match today :3
Though that was very rare total...

 

[Terranrox]

Oooh.
Sorry Geden, but Smashboards is filled with total nerds and tons of Jargon.
Did the Bomb-omb do that?
We could never hit each other with items anyway.
(any readers, disband the "we" comment, don't be an idiot.)
I apologize, freezies did kill by falling.
it's happened at least 5 times in the same match today :3
Though that was very rare total...

Jargons???? but people can die from falling while frozen.... yesterday I froze my friend then pushed him off the edge and didnt break free until it was too late...

 

[LuCKy]

this kid has a big head..... :?

 

[Terranrox]

this kid has a big head..... :?

Ummmmm.. yes Lucas does indeed has a big head so are you implying something? because Im not sure what you want to say and I cant give you a nice feed back or share my opinions

 

[PK Starstorm]

I think it may be a bit faster. i just don't thinh the explosion range will be as good as flash though.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Yeah, the range seems shorter. Also, not sure if this has been brought up, but look at the picture of it freezing somebody. They're above the little attack burst, so it does send you up like a freezie probably.

 

[iron blade]

As long as it doesn't have near as much lag as flash did, I'm satisfied.

 

[AllanT]

i think they'll both be the same.

 

[Noa.]

Pk freeze should have less range, but as suggested, battle armor. For those who do not know ( yet you probably all do) Battle armor is when you receive no knockback from attacks, but still get damage. At least I hope

 

[Terranrox]

Say... did anybody see the animation for the pre explosion ball of light for PK Freeze if so can you link cuz i want to see if it beats Flash in looks

 

[NessOnett]

Pk freeze should have less range, but as suggested, battle armor. For those who do not know ( yet you probably all do) Battle armor is when you receive no knockback from attacks, but still get damage. At least I hope

If freeze got invincible frames, it would be broken. The point of them is for slow heavy characters to be able to use regular A moves more effectively, not specials. It would be overly spammable if you got armor from it, as with all of lucas' mental-ranged attacks, which the whole point of is to intentionally be vulnerable. Besides, logically he can't mentally grow and control that iceball while being bombarded with attacks.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Ness's PK Flash had a few good uses. For one thing it could be used as an edgeguard, and secondly you could use it as a sort of "umbrella" to cover yourself during aerial juggles. The important thing to remember is that PK flash is fully charged BEFORE it starts its descent.

Now PK freeze I believe will have the same KO power that Flash did, only with an ice effect. I really doubt that you'll be able to hit the opponent while they're frozen unless they don't button mash at low damage. However, the freeze will always stun for longer than the PK flash (uncharged) at lower damage, so this move will be an even better umbrella than PK flash ever was.

 

[Terranrox]

Ness's PK Flash had a few good uses. For one thing it could be used as an edgeguard, and secondly you could use it as a sort of "umbrella" to cover yourself during aerial juggles. The important thing to remember is that PK flash is fully charged BEFORE it starts its descent.

Now PK freeze I believe will have the same KO power that Flash did, only with an ice effect. I really doubt that you'll be able to hit the opponent while they're frozen unless they don't button mash at low damage. However, the freeze will always stun for longer than the PK flash (uncharged) at lower damage, so this move will be an even better umbrella than PK flash ever was.

Wow that is very well said... It puts thing in a new light (no pun intended) but yeah... that new umbrella idea might come in handy for later as well...

 

[Terradrius]

Check out the new 5 minute gameplay vid on Brawlcentral, at about 4:15. PK Freeze is quite speedy, though it doesn't look to have too much knockback. It also keeps them frozen for a decent bit of time.

 

[Shadow Nataku]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29932.html?ref=embedfeat
Said video.

It seems Lucas's PK Freeze is not a KO move and more for damage racking and disruption.

 

[Cyrlous]

I think that this will be very interesting now that Ness has been pretty much confirmed. I know a lot of people are saying WOW, look how much faster Lucas is, and his PK Freeze is way faster/better than PK Flash. However, that was Melee Ness and I think that Brawl Ness will have some serious upgrades, so if he still has his Flash move it will almost certainly be faster than in Melee and I bet will be quite competitive with Freeze. And Flash is much more of a KO move so it is different enough that it separates Ness from Lucas to a pretty good degree.

 

[Airgemini]

Hmm I wonder how good PK Freeze would be as an edgeguard...

 

[pyroroth]

Hmm.. so pk freeze is just like pk thunder, thats good i guess.. makes it a bit more usable.

 

[Camera_Guy]

Freeze blows Flash out of the water! Freeze is uber fast!

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Comsidering that Lucas can KO from 75% up, PK Freeze will be an excellent way to hit for damage. Fully charged it does about 18% and the freeze effect seems to last longer than an Ice Climber freeze.

Kinda like throwing a freezie, but with less ko power and a bigger blast radius.

 

[assassinX105]

Pk freeze is alot faster, watch any of the video's with him and you'll see

 

[pyroroth]

Lucas is going to be pretty good from what i can see. Higher on the "tier" list than ness was >.<

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

I think Lucas's PK Freeze kinda looks like it might explode on contact rather than when it's released...

 

[kainsword]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhfQRTdSwiI

See 4:15 for PK Freeze Action.

PK Freeze is actually very fast. It's not an explosion at all, and rather it's more of a quick moving PK Thunder that freezes enemies on contact. I do believe this move will have much more usefulness in actual practice than PK Flash ever did.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Actually, there is an explosion. It's only brief, but you can see the blue blast radius just as it hits Squirtle.

 

[Granetdud]

Ummm... on Brawl Central (and I didn't read all the posts on this thread so...) but I'm just mentioning it, there's a video with Lucas in it and he does his PK Freeze and it's MUCH faster.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Ummm... on Brawl Central (and I didn't read all the posts on this thread so...) but I'm just mentioning it, there's a video with Lucas in it and he does his PK Freeze and it's MUCH faster.

*psst. I think it's safe to assume that everyone has seen PK Freeze. Also, try to read previous posts so you can judge what to add to the conversation.*

By the way, PK Freeze did exactly 17% to Squirtle.

 

[kainsword]

I meant it not being a flat-out explosion like PK Flash was. PK Freeze is far more than just an "explosion". It's a PK Thunder that can freeze enemies and has an impact blast radius. The move itself can't be labeled simply as an explosion, like PK Flash.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Yeah. It also seemed like the freeze effect lasted a while and sent Squirtle quite high. Human opponents can probably button mash to escape from it faster.

 

[Lucas_User]

His PK Freeze is really fast, as oposed to Ness' PK Thunder...which takes some time.