Pillars

[saviorslegacy]

Okay... what is the best way to perform pillars with Falco now? I've found that while you're doing spacing you can do a short hop and the use phantasm to catch them off guard. Make sure you just nick them with the end of the phantasm and that you have performed a short hop so you have less lag. *note* This really only works at high %. After you have nicked them you then jump really quick and use bair. Sorry if you all ready know this. :/

 

[XxBlackxX]

i don't know about everyone else but iap->sh bair has been a known "combo" for me. i actually spammed it quite a lot back when i didn't know what rar was. LOL

 

[Fluke]

The iap->bair can work (airdodge can overcome this)

But your use of "pillar" is puzzling me.

 

[Mith_]

I though pillar was using "bounce" animations to combo the opponent.

i.e Dthrow to Dair to Grab.

 

[8AngeL8]

The closest thing Falco has to a pillar now is Dthrow -> FFdair -> Dthrow etc. It only works at low percents, though.

If you can get your opponent directly above you with Dtilt or Utilt, you can start a pretty good pillar by following them with Uair and Dair, but it's possible to air-dodge. It's hard for some characters to get out because Falco is so maneuverable and fast in the air, though.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I thought a pillar was when you pop a foe into the air and combo them up there. :/

Man I'm sooooooo pissed now! I have been practicing over and over trying to master spacing. I can now do it without a suicide.... like ever. I was happy today when I brought a CPU in training mode up to 500 and some damage only from spacing and I didn't die from phantasm at all during this time. I finally thought it was ready to put it into my game play. Untill I realized it is almost impossible on wi-fi. I never noticed the slight lag on there. You notice it when spacing though. So yeah... I hate wi-fi now. -_-

 

[XxBlackxX]

I thought a pillar was when you pop a foe into the air and combo them up there. :/

Man I'm sooooooo pissed now! I have been practicing over and over trying to master spacing. I can now do it without a suicide.... like ever. I was happy today when I brought a CPU in training mode up to 500 and some damage only from spacing and I didn't die from phantasm at all during this time. I finally thought it was ready to put it into my game play. Untill I realized it is almost impossible on wi-fi. I never noticed the slight lag on there. You notice it when spacing though. So yeah... I hate wi-fi now. -_-

lol. yeah wi-fi DOES suck. but...what exactly are you practicing? iaps? or phantasm cancels? or just phantasms?

 

[saviorslegacy]

lol. yeah wi-fi DOES suck. but...what exactly are you practicing? iaps? or phantasm cancels? or just phantasms?

I had already mastered all of the above except iaps, and that's because IDK what iaps are. :/ I was practicing spacing.

 

[XxBlackxX]

oh. iap= instant aerial phantasm, when you sh then immediately phantasm to cancel out some lag.

 

[saviorslegacy]

oh. iap= instant aerial phantasm, when you sh then immediately phantasm to cancel out some lag.

Oh.... I already do that. XD Seems like every time you turn your back there's a new...... word cut MCthingy. -_-

 

[Blistering Speed]

I was fairly sure pillaring was to do with shield pressure.

 

[Fluke]

I was fairly sure pillaring was to do with shield pressure.

Yeah, it was melee's dair to shine on the shield as it gave minimal room for the person to counter attack, thus eating their shield. (However it worked well can a combo to attack due to the coolness off popping someone up to dair them again repeat. So then people thought that pillaring was a combo"


Another "pillar" was the downthrow to dair to downthrow. But this is not pillaring at all. It's just an extension to the chain grab *cough*combo*cough*

I thought a pillar was when you pop a foe into the air and combo them up there. :/

Man I'm sooooooo pissed now! I have been practicing over and over trying to master spacing. I can now do it without a suicide.... like ever. I was happy today when I brought a CPU in training mode up to 500 and some damage only from spacing and I didn't die from phantasm at all during this time. I finally thought it was ready to put it into my game play. Untill I realized it is almost impossible on wi-fi. I never noticed the slight lag on there. You notice it when spacing though. So yeah... I hate wi-fi now. -_-

Now for the real question is "What to do to pop the opponent into the air to **** face":

Phantasm does work, however iap tends to spike them down.
Utilt to any aerial (you could nair them at low % for another utilt. Or you could dair spike to another utilt.
Dtilt is also a another good move and can also shield stab.



And spacing is simply creating space for yourself to either stay out of their range to avoid attacks/counters, or keep close to keep them in range of your attacks/counters.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Yeah, it was melee's dair to shine on the shield as it gave minimal room for the person to counter attack, thus eating their shield. (However it worked well can a combo to attack due to the coolness off popping someone up to dair them again repeat. So then people thought that pillaring was a combo"


Another "pillar" was the downthrow to dair to downthrow. But this is not pillaring at all. It's just an extension to the chain grab *cough*combo*cough*





Now for the real question is "What to do to pop the opponent into the air to **** face":

Phantasm does work, however iap tends to spike them down.
Utilt to any aerial (you could nair them at low % for another utilt. Or you could dair spike to another utilt.
Dtilt is also a another good move and can also shield stab.



And spacing is simply creating space for yourself to either stay out of their range to avoid attacks/counters, or keep close to keep them in range of your attacks/counters.

Thank you for all of your info. However, I'm pretty sure spacing with Falco involves a laser. -_-

 

[Mith_]

Spacing is just keeping enough distance between you and the other player so you can hit them without getting punished. Lasers can help, but that's not the only way to space.

 

[XxBlackxX]

Thank you for all of your info. However, I'm pretty sure spacing with Falco involves a laser. -_-

well...there is no really single "right" way to space with falco. shl and shdl are options, but that's not all you can do and not all you need to do. basically you have good spacing if there is just the right space between you and your opponent so that you can get hits in without being punished.

 

[§witch]

I had already mastered all of the above except iaps, and that's because IDK what iaps are. :/ I was practicing spacing.

How can you SD while practicing spacing?
EDIT: Spacing is universal with all characters, it's using moves and DI'ing them so that they're safe on block. therefore you go unpunished.

 

[XxBlackxX]

How can you SD while practicing spacing?
EDIT: Spacing is universal with all characters, it's using moves and DI'ing them so that they're safe on block. therefore you go unpunished.

well he probably focused too much on phantasms and went off the edge or something. when i first played brawl it happened because the distance is longer than melee's.

 

[saviorslegacy]

well he probably focused too much on phantasms and went off the edge or something. when i first played brawl it happened because the distance is longer than melee's.

No, SHL while spacing. It's hard not to use phantasm.

 

[XxBlackxX]

No, SHL while spacing. It's hard not to use phantasm.

wha...? im confused? what exactly while spacing causes you to SD?

 

[Denzi]

He's probably trying to do a retreating/advancing SHL.

Spoiler

Grrr @ incorrect use of the word "spacing".

 

[saviorslegacy]

He's probably trying to do a retreating/advancing SHL.

Spoiler

Grrr @ incorrect use of the word "spacing".

He has it right. I was told it was called spacing. -_-

 

[XxBlackxX]

well it could be part of it but that's definitely not all there is to spacing. spacing just refers to having the right distance so that you can get hits in, DI, and you won't be punished.