Phoenix Wright Mafia [GAME OVER!]

[DtJ Jungle]

WUAHAHAHAHAHA! I heard the boss gave you a big scare. Anyways, (*Glances around*) I'm going to give you a little something from the Kitaki Family. Cherish it.

Vote Count


SwordsRbroken [3] : Cacti, XACE-K, Rockin
The Truth [4] : Gheb_01, Pierre the Scarecrow, SwordsRbroken, Macman
Cacti [1] : Riddle
Rockin [1] : KevinM
Mentosman8 [1] : Marshy
KevinM [1] : Sinz
Macman [1] : The Truth
Not voting: Mentosman8

deadline is the last second of 11/8. Takes 7/13 to lynch!

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, thanks for the post. You can't expect to be clear of everything chaco did though just cuz yu replaced in.

Yeah, that's something I'm starting to slowly understand as a first time replacer. =/

2. Chaco Rockin
Kevin made a pretty beast case against Chaco earlier. Basically it seemed to me at least, as though Chaco was just coasting through, not making an attempt to scumhunt at all, not commenting on anything that was going on, and only responding when someone mentions him. After we call him out on not seemingly trying to find scum, he says he has indeed been gathering reads from people, and had gotten reads on both me and Pierre. He also says he’s 90% sure that Gheb is scum, which doesn’t make sense at all to me since Gheb is probably the most townie person in this game right now. Also, his confidence was quite odd, there’s no way he could be so sure of himself after only a few posts. He also FOSes me, and then later when I asked what his reads of me were, he says town. Which is quite the contradiction. He however presents a someone legit reason, saying that even though he wasn’t suspicious of me, he felt like using an FOS to prove a point. Which I don’t agree with but he might actually think this way. He then asks for a replacement, which might be a scum copout since so many people are on his ***. Chaco definitely leans scum to me. However it could be just chaco being chaco.

Rockin replaces him. His opening post, 182, was good. He commented on a lot of what happened in the game so far. However he didn’t really tell us who he was suspicious of, so I pressed him on that. And in his 184 he states his suspicions of Sinz and Swords. I didn’t agree with him on this because I believed Sinz case on me was an ok one to make if he didn’t know my playstyle and Sinz wasn’t just going with the crowd he was actually trying to figure out who scum would be. I forgot why I thought swords was town, it was a gut thing based on something he said. However rereading some of the arguments against sword, I didn’t get the townie feeling from him any longer which is why I retracted my statement disagreeing with the statement.

Anyways, back to Rockin. I don’t think he was scummy for having suspicions that I disagree with, but it did seem like he has ulterior motives for presenting those suspicions. Swords had a bw on him going, so that would be a good place to nudge. And sinz just presented a case on me, that I and a few others shot down. By stating his suspicion of sinz, Rockin may have been trying to get on my good side, [since I was the one asking for his suspicions]. Rockin’s 251 bugs me a bit. After people show that they disagree with the sinz suspicion, he changes his mind about it. This bothers me cuz he seems to just be going with the popular opinion. He also changes his fos on swords to a vote, which bothers me as well becuz now it seems like sword was the direction where the lynch was going, and he wanted to safely get on that BW. Rockin’s also made some odd comments about how he shouldn’t be held accountable for chaco’s actions which is clearly wrong.

Rockin was originally neutral/leaning scum a bit to me but after looking over his posts, that changed to a fairly scum read. If Rockin’s flips scum, that would give us a lot of info too. If he flips scum then Kevin, Swords, and Sinz would all be fairly clear to me. However at this point, I don’t see us getting much info if he flips town. Not very confident on this read though,

The reason why it changed from a FOS to a vote is because swords has not convinced me otherwise that he's town. Before I voted on him, he had three votes. Even then, all he was doing was focusing on Cacti and not really protecting himself. I'm not sure if three votes is enough to make people defend (I usually start defending myself around that time), but he hardly took notice of it. So, I voted him. Even though he finally did told his reasons as to why he's voting and such, I wasn't pretty convinced. As for Sinz, the only thing I had on him was that only post about you. Nothing else stuck to me.

FoS: Macman
@Xace, Rockin Macman has been flipflopping on who to lynch a lot more than me. Why then do you still vote me? You've got to have a better reason then just "he's flipflopping on his vote, so i'll vote him".

How am I flippflopping like crazy? I've only voted on you thus far.

 

[Rockin]

EPWOW (if I spelled it right): I also don't like how Truth is bringing out the 'lyncher' logic. It's too early to even try and confirm if we have a independent in the game. >>

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rockin, whose the play? Mentos or T_T?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@Cacti i said that i'd give more LATER. Stop making **** out of what i say.

@Macman I was partially sure you were town until recently, now i'm not sure. Is this your typical playstyle?

@Marshy Your list of who's scum and who isn't is crap. T_T should be in scum. And what's more, you haven't mentioned me at all. So, back up your **** with some reasons.

@T_T your Lyncher theory probably isnt' likely. It seems more like a WIFOM theory now that i think about it.

@Xace you haven't posted much. And you seem to be influenced by the crowd easily. I'm not sure whether this is because you're a newbie or what.

@Rockin i'm suspicious of you. You don't post often, and so far, you haven't contributed much. Also, i understand that chaco put you in a bad position because of his fail posts, but so far, you've been suspecting me mostly, when macman has done much of the same things that i've been doing. FoS: Rockin

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Oops, ninjaed

 

[KevinM]

*sighs* Like, Marshy just consider my vote proxied onto yours.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

The reason why it changed from a FOS to a vote is because swords has not convinced me otherwise that he's town. Before I voted on him, he had three votes. Even then, all he was doing was focusing on Cacti and not really protecting himself. I'm not sure if three votes is enough to make people defend (I usually start defending myself around that time), but he hardly took notice of it. So, I voted him. Even though he finally did told his reasons as to why he's voting and such, I wasn't pretty convinced. As for Sinz, the only thing I had on him was that only post about you. Nothing else stuck to me.Yeah, but what do you think of T_T? You've said nothing as to Cacti, T_T, or anyone else besides me and Sinz.


How am I flippflopping like crazy? I've only voted on you thus far.
i meant at you and Xace.

Replies in blue.

 

[Rockin]

rockin, whose the play? Mentos or T_T?

Either one seems pretty good for a lynch

as you and Marshy commented, Mentos hasn't really been commenting most of the game, which I do find odd. He's usually good at contributing discussion and is fairly active. However, him trying to stealthfully sneak on by makes me wonder. If he still continues to coast, I wouldn't mind him being the play. If we're going to lynch him because of coasting/not answering questions, then wouldn't someone like Ace be in that pool as well?

Truth has been aiding in the discussion, but I'm having a hard time finding the logic in some of his posts. He mentions that Macman is a lyncher (again, something too early to tell), and everything else that has been said hasn't been much helpful.

Truth lynched may give us more info then Mentos being lynched (however, we'll be getting rid of someone that's kinda coasting). I think it all comes down to personal preference as to what'll benefit us, but Truth seems like a more logical lynch. Still think Swords isn't too bad of a lynch either >>

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin i'm suspicious of you. You don't post often, and so far, you haven't contributed much. Also, i understand that chaco put you in a bad position because of his fail posts, but so far, you've been suspecting me mostly, when macman has done much of the same things that i've been doing. FoS: Rockin

I think I contributed fairly enough (maybe not as much as say, Gheb, Pierre, etc. but it's there). >>

I already answered how I felt about everyone thus far about two pages or so back. The only minor difference is that I've currently given an update about Truth. Everyone else is still the same in my book for now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Mentosman -He seems pretty town to me. I don't see anything scummy about him. This is why I want to know why marshy has a vote on him.

hm mm

 

[Rockin]

hm mm

If you look further down that said post...

Marshy, what is your reason for voting Mentosman?

and he responded with this, which I why I'm wondering why it's taking Mentosman so long to answer his question.

 

[mentosman8]

Hehe people think my activity level has anything to do with my alignment XD. I find that funny XD. Now, my first and foremost comment here is why the hell have like half the players posted their thoughts about everyone in the game? Maybe it's just me, but all I see when people do that(especially this early) is the release of who is trusted among town, and hence a good nightkill target. And really, what good does it do town to know who everyone trusts? Absolutely none. Why don't we stick to posting our suspicions and not trying to describe everyone in the games alignment on D1 in one post.

Anyway, since it appears people are going to think I'm suspicious unless I make one of my WoT's, I guess I'll hammer through a re-read and have something up shortly.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb You're def townie in my opinion. You've given off no scummy vibes as far as i see. Also, what do you think of Xace and Rockin?

I find both hard to trust atm. ACE more so then Rockin. Rockin's recent posts explain a lot of his behaviour but his contributions to actual scumhunting could be better (not to mention the whole Chaco dilemma). ACE needs to be a lot more helpful.

 

[Hitman JT]

11. The_Truth
Not gonna do a full PBPA on you cuz I’ve been writing this post for a long *** time and I am getting lazy. Also you have a crap load of unnecessary filler posts that I’d rather not sift through.
71. This is the post that started it all. I advocated for T_T’s lynch earlier on because I didn’t want this post nagging at the back of my head all game.
Yo Mac baby. I'll repeat myself. What about this post is irking you?
Also note in that posts, how he comments about how there has been a lot of stuff going on, but he fails to give what he thinks about any of this stuff.
Aaaaaand your point is?
His 73 was his immediate response. Like I said in the post directly after, he never made said anything about his previous mafia experiences in any other thread.
All I said was that it was in a different thread before this game took place. I didn't say it was in the decisive games board...s*** I didn't even say it was on smashboards. What about this is important? And how does it make me out to be suspicious?
Basically I agree with what Pierre said in his 275 about truth. But to expand on that…

His 127 was the first post he made where he tells me what he thinks about someone. And it’s a bull**** post too. It seems very opportunist [there was a BW on him already going] and noncommittal. “I’m usually not one to hop on bws” just seems like he’s trying to prevent himself from getting called out for getting on the bw when he does eventually decide to vote Cacti.
I think you delirious son. I never voted for Cacti. I only extended the Phoenix Wright pointer finger of epic awesomeness in his direction.
Then a lil while later in his 171 he foses chaco. This is suspect because he does it right after people began to be suspicious of Chaco. Similar to what he did with cacti, he gets on the BW but doesn’t vote. It seems like he’s trying to nudges these wagons without ever putting his vote behind em.
Lol this nucca wants to talk about nudging wagons when that's all he's been doing the whole game. I was reading everyone's posts about Chaco and they were making sense to me. I was holding off on a vote since I wanted to read into him myself and let him tell his side of the story before I voted. I tend to be more patient than some people who tend to hop on the bandwagon of whoever is in the spotlight without giving a f***. When I vote I want to be able to post something more than just "I agree with you. Vote: scrub." I also don't change my votes and opinions at the drop of a hat because of what has been said by people whose name rhymes with Parshy or Steb because everything they say is true.
In his 302, he responds to peoples comments about him and then gives his opinions on other people. He get’s on the swords wagon. I believe he puts him L-2or1. Another opportunist move.
I had my reasons for believing Swords was scum and I still do. So wait...when I "hop on a bandwagon" I'm considered an opportunist and looked at as scum. Yet when you do it it's all fine and dandy because you're Macman, and Macman is freakin' Jesus resurrected.
In his
315 he says he’s ok with a riddle lynch. Not sure why… but he also says he’s iffy about rockin.
I stated my reasons why I was ok with a Riddle lynch. I also find it absurd how everyone thought we were in cahoots. (Ayo who the f*** still says cahoots?)
Which is interesting since he was seemingly suspicious of chaco previously.
KevinM also stated his suspicions of Rockin because of Chaco. But lemme guess. KevinM is baby Jesus, so it's ok.
He clearly is ok with Riddle because he is perfectly fine with just going with the flow and lynching whoever is the current popular opinion.
Wow lol. Sounds just like someone else we all know and love doesn't it? Lol I heart you Mac all homo.

And then he goes onto his omgusy case against me about me being a lyncher and what not. Lulzy at best.
You call it omgus. I call it a simple theory with some evidence, and even admitted that it might be out there in left field. It took you more than 20 pages before you finally came out of the closet (lol) and said why you think I'm suspicious. Even with this post, it wouldn't have been made had I not decided to pressure you into doing so. I had asked multiple times over the course of almost the entire thread about why you thought I was scum, and all I heard was that it was a gut thing or that you just wanted another pretty red wagon to hop on while Gheb, Pierre and Marshy dragged it along.
Truth has shown absolutely no interest in finding whose scum. He was inactive and unhelpful. He has not gave his input on important matters. Clearly the play
Well, this must be true because you're freaking Macman aka Jesus and everything you say is trufax. All hail the Mac!

*si gh*

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I hate when people respond in quotes, It's so hard to respond to.

Seriously? You clearly know what about that post annoys me, if you didn't than you would have never made the "watch this get blown out of proportion" post directly afterwards.

My point is that you aren't saying anything. You are not contributing.

I'm pretty sure there is no place on smashboards where you talked about your previous mafia experiences.

Never said you voted for Cacti, that was a hypothetical.

Yep I jump on everyone bw and definitely when they are in the spotlight. Especially when I stated that both Cacti and Swords were not the play for today. Even though all of town had focused on the 2 for todays lynch. Right that makes mad sense. Do you even know what nudging means? Why don't your opinions change? Oh do you know exactly who scum is, so you never have to change your mind about what you think someone's alignment is? Is it scummy for me to change my mind, especially when someone makes a good case against someone else? Maybe if you actually tried to scumhunt and actually gave your opinions on the game, you could persuade me to agree with you on who you may think is scum. No reason to get bitter because Marshy and Gheb are actually trying to find scum, which you are not.

Theres nothing at all wrong with hopping on bws in and of itself. Don't mistake that for the reason why I think you are scum. It's because you are never willing to commit to a BW with a vote but you are perfectly fine with pushing it towards a lynch. And it always happens to be someone that alot of people the town has recently stated their suspicions for.

KevinM is still suspicious of Rockin so your point there is moot.

Still funny how you try to push my point on you back on me, saying that I go with the popular opinion. Because everyone definitely thought you were scum when I voted you. And because I definitely was down for hopping on the Swords or Cacti bw. Can you acknowledge the points presented against you instead of trying to deflect them back to me while being wrong.

Are you dense, I stated my suspicions constantly throughout the day. I gave my thoughts on everything that happened. And yes, my suspicion against you started off as something gutdriven. Is that a problem? Oh yea and I def jumped on the wagon that started with Pierre, Gheb, and Marshy, because they all were def suspicious of you first.

Dunno what point you are trying to prove with this Jesus thing. I never said I wasn't fallible. All it seems is that you are trying to slander my character so that my case seems less valid instead of acknowledging the case in and of itself.

 

[KevinM]

Like I just called baby jesus whoop whoop.

 

[mentosman8]

Lol Kevin, BabyJesus part 2 rising! Anyway, as I re-read the thread, I decided against making a big, long post. Why? Because quite honestly it's not necessary. I don't want to make a massive post and have it not really affect any of the things people are calling me out on. I kind of like this suspicion on me though, I didn't even get that when I WAS maf in Mega Mafia. So, couple comments.

First of all to Marshy, yeah I've been inactive(which should get better now), but the other thing you call me out on is not strongly using my vote. You've been in enough games with me to know that my voting pattern is erratic-in some games I hardly vote after voicing suspicions, in others I do. I find it a bad reason to be added to the scum-thoughts you have.

Secondly, my suspicions. Right now, my strongest read is that Cacti/Swords did NOT seem TvT. I think a lynch of one of the two of them would be most beneficial to town. I also see where the Truth movement has come from, and think it's a reasonable choice for the play of the day.

Everyone who was calling out Kevin's playstyle deserves a look as well. Sure, it's not the big posts etc, but it is an effective style most of the time and I think those trying to discredit him for not making huge posts are severely misguided. Not to say he's town, or that I wouldn't like more thoughts behind his votes, suspecting him for the style he's known for as town or scum doesn't sit well.

For right now Vote: Swords I think him or Cacti is the play as mentioned above, so let's see what happens.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Omni has replaced XACE-K

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't think anyone was calling out Kevin. Except truth, but we all know he's misguided anyways. I agree with mentos about the long posts. It's like people ignore the **** you say unless it's surrounded by a long post. And people with long posts are automatically town.

Mentos, not suspicious of sinz any longer?

@scumfever, what be the vote count?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yay omni

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Hey you lot there! Look at what my noodles spelt out in my bowl!

Vote Count


SwordsRbroken [4] : Cacti, Omni, Rockin, Mentosman8
The Truth [4] : Gheb_01, Pierre the Scarecrow, SwordsRbroken, Macman
Cacti [1] : Riddle
Rockin [1] : KevinM
Mentosman8 [1] : Marshy
KevinM [1] : Sinz
Macman [1] : The Truth

deadline is the last second of 11/8. Takes 7/13 to lynch!

 

[mentosman8]

Mac, to answer your question, I've still got a bad feeling about him, but it has been eclipsed by others, and some of what had made me suspicious I now see as potential newbie moves, and I'm eased up a bit. Still lookin at him though.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

mentos what do you think of riddle?

 

[mentosman8]

I don't really have a strong read either way on Riddle, so I guess based on how other people have lised he would be a neutral read.

 

[Omni]

I'll do a re-read hopefully by tonight. I was keeping up until around page 5 or 6.

Are there any major events that took place that I should know about? Or any questions towards Xace or am I coming in fresh?

@Mac: I remember reading why you FOS'ed Pierre earlier in the game. What happened with that situation because I'm intrigued by it.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

you should know about...

- early cacti/swords tiff
- chaco coming off as confident early in the game and people seeing it as scummy
- sinz is generally seen as neutral/slight scum based on his scumhunting efforts looking at the wrong things
- same can be said for riddle. see fallout after his 282 macman case
- uh. same for you/xace. xace was just kinda there but he seems to be more neutral overall
- lots of truth hate for early sissy stances

there's more to it than that and there's a good amount of content. i need to reevaluate. kevin are rockin and truth still your favorite picks for scum?

truth you're tunneling HARD here...don't drag this past the point of diminishing returns

 

[Omni]

hm. okay.

unvote

 

[Hitman JT]

Marshy you never answered my questions.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Out of curiosity...what is your reason for listing me as neutral instead of as scum like the rest of these lynch-happy southerners? What have I said that has made you change your opinion on me so quickly? Do you REALLY think that Macman and Rockin are townies?

i didn't have much of an opinion of you in the first place. you seemed distant and i pushed your wagon to get you talking more and it's worked. as for what you've actually said i'm still unsure on how genuine your push against macman is

i do think macman and rockin are town-aligned especially comparing them to the other players. macman has been changing his mind a lot but i don't see anything malicious. i still don't find the chaco hate compelling and kind of a lame reason to keep suspicion on rockin at this point. i'm assuming that's why anyone's suspicious of rockin now anyway and am moving on from chaco's shenanigans

 

[Hitman JT]

I'll have to look into other mafia games that Mac (aka GEEZUS) has participated in. If this is how he always is then I might hold off on him for now. At least I got what I wanted out of him.

 

[Omni]

*What I did was read from Page 1 and wrote the below as a diary-kinda thing. It's in order and covers my thoughts sequentially*

Pierre vs. Mac
Pierre being anal about Mac's gifs, but stirring discussion at the same time. Looks like a TvT argument. Asking for slips is pseudo-scumhunting since the player themselves may not even be aware of their own scumslips. If they were, they probably wouldn't slip as much.

Chaco
Comes in after the Pierre vs. Mac exchange as a new poster claiming "He got good reads off of them" and that's it. Which means he probably decided to take the more observant role as he only initiates post to respond to technicals (explaining BW'ing). His cockyness doesn't wreak of scum tho'. Seems like he's just attempting to be a badass psychic who's too lazy (or willing) to support his subconcious suspicions.

Anyway, Rockin comes in and seems legitimately disappointed in Chaco's play and very willing to step up. His reads were similar to mind in regards to Pierre vs. Macman. I like Rockin.

Pierre #275
Up to this point I found him slightly in the scum zone. In his #200 post, he questions Rockin's arrival and suggests that it is weird that Gheb does not share the same suspicions. However, it was made clear by Chaco and it seemed a bit obvious as well that Chaco was tunneling and using his psychic-gut powers to tunnel in on Gheb. With that being the case, it would not be suspicious at all that Rockin and Chaco don't share the same view.

However his straw poll at that point looked VERY close to mine since I was taking the same approach. (Mind you that I am typing this as I am reading the thread so this post is a timeline.) Both Sinz and Mentos were on the top of my scumlist just as he had them listed. I, however, will not go into detail on how I think about EVERYONE because I think that helps Mafia more than it helps town.

Riddle #282
Dumb or scum. I'm looking more into Riddle at this point. He may just not know Macman's playstyle but I feel if he was scum that he would jump on a more active wagon.

Anyway, reading on he begins to become a lot more... passionate. It seems like he was tunneling Mac off his post style and confused what is normally Mac's playstyle as scummy. His tension/passion doesn't rub me as flailing at the moment.

*Sidenote.* Mentos' inactivity is really pissing me off. That and he doesn't seem to be making any connections with anyone. The problem is that earlier in the game, Mentos's post #142 and #227shows that the two are probably not connected at all yet I have them both marked down as scum. At this point, my top candidate is balancing between Sinz and Mentos.

*New sidenote.* Reading in and now Rockin's sudden inactivity and lack of scumhunting is making me a bit nervous as thinking he was townie. He's definitely moved down to my neutral list at this point. He then later revitalizes and makes a new post #334 that summarizes his feelings towards everyone. Again, I don't think it's a good idea to list those but w/e. They line up with mine as well for the most part.

Marshy's #357
Was the next to catch me attention since it lines up with my list very nicely. I have Sinz and Mentos as scummy (but already showed how they couldn't be a team) which means it could be Indy/Mafia type deal. He has Riddle as scummy but I have him marked as Neutral because although I found Riddle's play on Macman strange I felt it was more of a townish attempt to pinpoint scum and not a scummy attempt to frame town.

Reached the last page. Yay, okay done and caught up.

 

[Omni]

Throughout my reread I constantly looked for pairings. These can actually be distinctly seen early game when people start throwing FOS's, harsh votes, and things of that nature. Based on those results and my speculations on everyone's play.

vote: Mentosman

Has been completely useless D1. Even before he started becoming totally inactive, Mentos hasn't said much. In my notes, I have the post #262 as a dislike.

I'm starting to see where people think Swords is scummy, not sure I want to place my vote just yet though. He is fairly new, and I could see a lot of what he's done as being newbie errors, not necessarily scummy ones. I'd like to hear more from him for sure.

Also, during the Pierre vs. Macman feud, Macman placed his opinion by pretty much neutralizing the situation and giving both players the benefit of the doubt. This is not to say that Pierre or Macman should be found guilty in that argument, but the fact that Mentos fails to do any kind of scumhunting and succeeds as coming off as the neutral party draws a lot of suspicion on him in my book.

His coasting and really really unhelpful Day 1 tactics, in my opinion, should make him the play. In regards to Cacti, Swords, The Truth I am finding too many "disconnections" if you would say where it would be hard to locate their scum buddies. Looking at it from that perspective I do feel like a lot of TvT arguments ensued which is to be expected on Day 1 and I read many of their arguments as such.

If we don't lynch Mentos, then I am totally down for a Sinz lynch. I find these two the most suspicious and I think their flip will give us information on each other. Post #227 and Post #142 show that they are probably not in the same alignment as I explained above.

Feel free to ask questions or ask for clarification. But fa'realz, let's kill Mentos or Sinz today.

 

[mentosman8]

Lol Omni, you think I'm scum because I'm neutral on an argument that you yourself say seemed TvT. Why not be neutral on an argument that gave no scumtells, and in fact seemed like two townies duking it out. Next, you say that I should be the play for not being all that constructive, when the person you replaced was almost as bad. Also, I'll reiterate the point made earlier: Stop trying to look for scum as if you know the whole mafia. You say that Cacti, Swords, and Truth aren't that bad because there are too many disconnections. In fact, the widely regarded most suspicious players are blatantly missing from your "ok with the lynch of" list, from what I can tell due to the lack of connection. If you search for scum 3 at a time, you're probably going to have trouble.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm very ok with lynching mentos. I can see why people aren't getting rockin as scum. I also was looking for connections as well Omni, which made me kind of nervous because things weren't lining up the way I wanted them to. I like mentos because he has standalone reasons for me to think he is scum.

Truth should die though. or not. Truth wanna do a mentos lynch today?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Like I just called baby jesus whoop whoop.

Lol Kevin, BabyJesus part 2 rising!

UNHELPFUL

Secondly, my suspicions. Right now, my strongest read is that Cacti/Swords did NOT seem TvT. I think a lynch of one of the two of them would be most beneficial to town. I also see where the Truth movement has come from, and think it's a reasonable choice for the play of the day.

What makes you think that Cacti/Swords isn't TvT? Any reason you doubt they have the same allignment? You say either one or the other is the play. So if Swords flips town shoul we should lynch Cacti toMorrow or should we reconsider?

Throughout my reread I constantly looked for pairings. These can actually be distinctly seen early game when people start throwing FOS's, harsh votes, and things of that nature. Based on those results and my speculations on everyone's play.

vote: Mentosman

Has been completely useless D1. Even before he started becoming totally inactive, Mentos hasn't said much. In my notes, I have the post #262 as a dislike.

Also, during the Pierre vs. Macman feud, Macman placed his opinion by pretty much neutralizing the situation and giving both players the benefit of the doubt. This is not to say that Pierre or Macman should be found guilty in that argument, but the fact that Mentos fails to do any kind of scumhunting and succeeds as coming off as the neutral party draws a lot of suspicion on him in my book.

So how is that more suspicious than Truth arguing with WIFOM en masse, Riddle/Sinz pulling out garbage cases that are potentially misleading? The question "scum or dumb" apllies to all 3 of them to some extent except Sinz but he's being super conformist and isn't that much different to mentos except that he has more posts but just as little content overall. I'm not trusting mentos either but lynching him D1 just to have him flip town would be a pretty bad scenario in my book. I'd rather give him time - if he continues to be as useless D2 I'd be far more willing to lynch him.

His coasting and really really unhelpful Day 1 tactics, in my opinion, should make him the play. In regards to Cacti, Swords, The Truth I am finding too many "disconnections" if you would say where it would be hard to locate their scum buddies. Looking at it from that perspective I do feel like a lot of TvT arguments ensued which is to be expected on Day 1 and I read many of their arguments as such.

You say you're looking for scum pairs but want to lynch mentos? So who are his potential scumbuddies then? I think lynching swords or truth will give us far more info than lynching mentos because connections to mentos are completely lacking - I don't see any connections to mentos at least. The best thing I can see is Marshy being clear because of that but he looks town at this point anyways.

If we don't lynch Mentos, then I am totally down for a Sinz lynch. I find these two the most suspicious and I think their flip will give us information on each other. Post #227 and Post #142 show that they are probably not in the same alignment as I explained above.
Feel free to ask questions or ask for clarification. But fa'realz, let's kill Mentos or Sinz today.

I think it's Truth toDay and then probably Riddle toMorrow. What are your thoughts on truth anyways? Can't see why you post so little about on of our main suspects. I agree that Cacti vs Swords is TvT though.

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What do you guys think about a pre-deadline about 24-48 hrs. before the real deadline so we can get our priorities straight right in time? Right now we have many names and votes floating around (Swords, Truth, Mentos as lynches; Riddle and Sinz being mentioned a lot) but I think it would be easier if we can find some sort of agreement just in case of a convincing claim.
Like I'd like to lynch Truth or Riddle toDay and am against lynching Mentos and Swords for now. I wouldn't mind lynching Sinz and I'm def. down for a Sinz wagon if a Truth lynch doesn't happen.
I think with 5 possible lynches/wagons will get some decent info for toMorrow either way.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Gheb, what is your reason for not wanting to lynch mentos? I'm starting to like mentos more than truth at the moment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

1.) Because of this:

Mentos is a lot smarter than most players here and if he's town his experience could be really helpful in an endgame scenario. Can't see where you coming from, especially since he's not the scummiest player around (imo).

I'm not trusting mentos either but lynching him D1 just to have him flip town would be a pretty bad scenario in my book. I'd rather give him time - if he continues to be as useless D2 I'd be far more willing to lynch him.

2.) Because his inactivity doesn't mean that much considering that he's currently inactive in all mafia games he's in.
3.) He's starting to contribute more and more (unless he's lying )
4.) Losing TownTruth, TownRiddle, TownSinz D1 >>> Losing TownMentos D1

People need to keep in mind that I don't find mentos very trustworthy at this point - I found the townMentos from TS Mafia a lot easier to trust. I just think that a mentos lynch D1 because of "inactivity" and fence sitting is a step in the wrong direction especially since I can't see us getting too much info out of it
However, if he continues to play the way he played so far and fails to meet the expectations I won't mind the lynch or a vig shooting him. I'd just rather give him some time to convince us he's town. We still have like a week left so let's not rush this and see how things envolve.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Its counter productive to excuse someones scumminess because they are a good player. And it's not only that mentos is inactive, It's that whenever he does post, he never says anything pertaining to the game/who his suspicions are. He sticks to stuff relating only to game mechanics, which just gives the appearance that he's trying to help town. Ace and Pierre are also inactive, but they atleast spoke up, and we know where they stand on certain things. He doesn't comment on **** and because of this he has no connections to anything in the game except for sinz, and barely that

 

[Omni]

Lol Omni, you think I'm scum because I'm neutral on an argument that you yourself say seemed TvT. Why not be neutral on an argument that gave no scumtells, and in fact seemed like two townies duking it out. Next, you say that I should be the play for not being all that constructive, when the person you replaced was almost as bad. Also, I'll reiterate the point made earlier: Stop trying to look for scum as if you know the whole mafia. You say that Cacti, Swords, and Truth aren't that bad because there are too many disconnections. In fact, the widely regarded most suspicious players are blatantly missing from your "ok with the lynch of" list, from what I can tell due to the lack of connection. If you search for scum 3 at a time, you're probably going to have trouble.

(*Ack!* He seems to be throwing garbage at your statement.)

@Gheb: I think you (and Mentos) aren't comprehending the approach of "disconnections". A disconnection is when two people have a very high unlikely chance of being pairs. You can see this a lot early game when players make FOS's since scum normally don't FOS each other. Or when you see player's make large documented description details on who they believe is scum before voting. The value of Day 1 is that scum is not at a disadvantage and thus a bus tactic early game probably won't be seen. Of course I use my utmost discretion when determining disconnections.

With Cacti, Swords, and Truth (moreso the first two) all three of them have a large amount of disconnections with the rest of the cast. Lynching player's who have little to no disconnections will make determining who is scum easier and easier down the road.

If you pay attention to early FOS, you can see who doesn't like who. Taking all those small disconnections into account help determine the best choice for a lynch candidate and are definitely helpful in mylo/lylo situations.

Anyway, my vote is on Mentos for everything I explained above and I feel he should receive priority due to the ambigiuity of his existence. Sinz is my second candidate.

I'd rather withhold the rest of my suspicions (which you should all start doing) so scum can't easily manipulate lynches based on the information they receive from our Wall of Text How We Feel texts.