Philly Gamers present: SUMMER LEAGUE! First Events are July 6th and 20th!

[CT Chia]

How many stages does each person get to ban? 1 or 2? If you let people have 2 stage bans you can be a bit more lenient on the legal stages, but with 1 you really have to be careful about some stages. I respect what pauliedanger said about not letting one person change the rules to make people think that everyone can change the rules.

However while Inui isn't right about everything he said, there are some problems with the stages. First off, Onett needs to banned no matter what. Corneria should be allowed. Green Greens is a tough decision. Leave it up to you.

Now Mario Circuit and Green Hill Zone... It's obvious that Dedede is completely broken on these two stages as there's always a walk off area. Also a lot of camping happens on Green Hill especially with the help of the lamppost. If you only allow one stage ban, definitely do now allow these stages. If you allow 2 stage bans, consider keeping them as they can atleast be banned against DDD players.

 

[pauliedanger]

@ Brandon: I wasn't at MLG Meadowlands. We had planned on heading up Championship Sunday to support a couple of our teams, but we ended up finalizing the Best Buy deal that weekend.

@ everybody: I'm going to talk to Steve next time he's online. But unless he sees something he missed in the rules or stages, we're going to go with these rules for July 6th. And if we see something we need to change, we'll make a change. But I may be wrong, this is the ruleset that was used for East Toast, and I was there. I think that tournament ran very smoothly, and I didn't hear any complaints about gameplay.

 

[dmbrandon]

@ Brandon: I wasn't at MLG Meadowlands. We had planned on heading up Championship Sunday to support a couple of our teams, but we ended up finalizing the Best Buy deal that weekend.

@ everybody: I'm going to talk to Steve next time he's online. But unless he sees something he missed in the rules or stages, we're going to go with these rules for July 6th. And if we see something we need to change, we'll make a change. But I may be wrong, this is the ruleset that was used for East Toast, and I was there. I think that tournament ran very smoothly, and I didn't hear any complaints about gameplay.

As a side note: I'm the leader of the team Steve is on. Our team, Montage, is known for our amazingly fun, fair and smooth tournaments.

Onett, Bridge, and Green hill neeeeeeed to go. They really do break the game. We just recently passed a ban on green greens as well, but like Chibo said, if you run 2 bans per set, leaving GG and Corneria on will be fine.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Chibo and dm....*shakes head*

You realize that if you have one, two, three, four, or five stage bans, what deserves to be banned should still be banned what what shouldn't deserve to be banned shouldn't get banned.

Only in the most extreme, rare cases should something be banned because it is “too good.” This will be the most common type of ban requested by players, and almost all of their requests will be foolish. Banning a tactic simply because it is “the best” isn’t even warranted. That only reduces the game to all the “second best” tactics, which isn’t necessarily any better of a game than the original game. In fact, it’s often worse!

The only reasonable case to ban something because it is “too good” is when that tactic completely dominates the entire game, to the exclusion of other tactics. It is possible, though very rare, that removing an element of the game that is not only “the best” but also “ten times better than anything else in the game” results in a better game. I emphasize that is extremely rare. The most common case is that the player requesting the ban doesn’t fully grasp that the game is, in fact, not all about that one tactic.

You fools are trying to lump Mario Circuit in the same broken category as stages such as Hyrule Temple, New Pork City, and Spear Pillar. Mario Circuit, Green Hill Zone, and Onett give campers an advantage? So? There are stages that give aggressive characters an advantage too. Battlefield isn't banned because camping characters have trouble running away from aggressive characters, why should camping stages be banned because aggressive characters have trouble chasing campers? The answer is they shouldn't be banned.

Onett, Bridge, and Green hill neeeeed to go

LMAO, Bridge of Eldin IS banned.

I'm going to talk to Steve next time he's online. But unless he sees something he missed in the rules or stages, we're going to go with these rules for July 6th. And if we see something we need to change, we'll make a change. But I may be wrong, this is the ruleset that was used for East Toast, and I was there. I think that tournament ran very smoothly, and I didn't hear any complaints about gameplay.

I talked to Steve about it last night and he thinks they should stay.

 

[Inui]

I am no longer attending this tournament due to the absolutely horrendous, intolerable stage rules, regardless of one of my best friends hosting it.

Sorry, Steve. I can't support a tournament with rules I very strongly disagree with. It's basically accepted that walk-offs are banned, and you're not conforming to that because of arguements Kashif made that basically nobody has agreed with? Even his boy Eazy stomped on his arguements about those horrible stages.

Corneria is ridiculous. If anyone can say it shouldn't be banned after reading my post, they main Dedede, a character Dedede can't chaingrab, and/or they are an idiot.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Even his boy Eazy stomped on his arguements about those horrible stages.

No, Eazy did not stomp my arguments at all. He thinks Hyrule Temple is as unfair as Mario Circuit. Yes, let's compare in Melee instant loss if you get hit by a single laser from Fox to a stage where you can win against Dedede.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I believe Onett, Corneria, and Green Hill Zone need to go.

 

[pauliedanger]

I am no longer attending this tournament due to the absolutely horrendous, intolerable stage rules, regardless of one of my best friends hosting it.

Sorry, Steve. I can't support a tournament with rules I very strongly disagree with. It's basically accepted that walk-offs are banned, and you're not conforming to that because of arguements Kashif made that basically nobody has agreed with? Even his boy Eazy stomped on his arguements about those horrible stages.

Corneria is ridiculous. If anyone can say it shouldn't be banned after reading my post, they main Dedede, a character Dedede can't chaingrab, and/or they are an idiot.

First of all, I really don't appreciate the way you're talking about a company I've put blood and sweat into for going on nine months. Terms like "horrendous" and "intolerable" should be reserved for things that are truly intolerable and horrendous, like suicide bombers. Just because you don't like the ruleset we're using doesn't make this tournament trash, horrendous or intolerable.

So let's start there.

Now, I have not had a chance to talk to Steve. When I do talk to Steve I will discuss the issues that have been brought up. I have not talked to Steve since Sadaharu's initial "Make these changes, or I'm going to stamp my feet and go to my room and not play" hissy fit. So until I discuss things with him, nothing has changed. That is not to say things will not change. But since Steve and Al are our Player Reps for the Fighters Division, we will not change the ruleset they've come up with unless we decide to change it after discussing it with them.

So everyone (you included, Sadaharu) needs to cool your jets until I have a chance to talk to Steve and Al about this issue. Everyone needs to understand that this is our first fighters game tournament. It could very easily be our last if it turns into headaches. But we want to do right by the fighters game scene, which is why I scouted Steve and Al, and then after talking with my partners, brought them in to help us run the fighters games. I'm standing by their rules. If they decide that a change needs to be made, we'll make the change. But that will be a team decision between myself, my partner (who does not post on this board), Steve and Al.

You guys also need to realize that just because the July 6th tournament is being run with this ruleset does not mean that the rules are written in stone. Things may change if we feel they need to be changed. But at this point I have been to one Brawl tournament that ran with the ruleset we're using. And we have not run any Brawl tournaments. So give us a chance to get our feet wet. And Sadaharu, you need to ease off. I really don't appreciate the tone of your posts. We all work very hard and have gone deep in to debt to give this area the best video game tournaments around. As long as we're around there will be no non-payoffs, there will be no cancelled tournaments, and there will be no confusion as to who is doing what and what the rules are going into a tournament. We run professional tournaments and our goal is to make sure that every player has a chance to have a good time and win. That means EVERY player, not just people who play Dedede, or people who hate campers. It means everybody.

So until I can talk to Steve, everyone back off the throttle. This stage issue will be resolved soon.

 

[CT Chia]

its up to you, you and the choice others are the tourney directors. were not running the tourney, you are. dont listen to inui, he does this to all new tourneys lol.

 

[pauliedanger]

its up to you, you and the choice others are the tourney directors. were not running the tourney, you are. dont listen to inui, he does this to all new tourneys lol.

Well, now I don't feel so bad. But it's a shame. He's really going to miss a hell of a series. And he came real close to ruining it for everybody, because we're not going to go through headaches like this for each event. We can use that space for the COD or Gears players over on the PMS/H2O board who are begging for tournaments.

 

[Atomsk_92]

giving LK takes me to these i'll be down for everyone he goes to?

btw the only reason inui has so many stages banned is because i beat him there and the only possible reason is that is an "un-winable" match. Plus he needs to find other reasons to ban them when if you look in other fighters Loops, and infinents are legal. What morons like sadaharu desert don't understand is you can get around dedede on stages like corneria, AND you don't need to play PERFECTLY just to beat him there just camp him and avoid him

 

[Inui]

Terms like "horrendous" and "intolerable" should be reserved for things that are truly intolerable and horrendous, like suicide bombers.

Yes, just like your current stage rules.

dont listen to inui, he does this to all new tourneys lol.

Or listen, and have a more fair ruleset agreed upon by the crew that hosts the largest and most smoothly run tournaments in the area for Brawl.

I do this to new tournaments because they don't ever have proper rules at first.

 

[Velocity]

inui isn't going? every tourney needs ****ed up rules and then like change them 10 mins before it starts. will be going unless theres a very large tourney same day which is good cause this is sunday. I mean stages are going to be argued for awhile I mean C3 in VA has lylat on counterpick they only have 4 neutrals where as Conn. has that stage and pokemon1 on as neutral there are alot of little differences as long as you get the absurd ones off its fine

 

[dmbrandon]

Pauliedanger, that WoT was not the right way to approach the issue.

Don't forget, while you're new here, everyone posting in this thread has their own views, and personalities. Don't tell me to cool my jets, when my feedback was nothing but constructive criticism. While you may not understand things, we feel it's our duty to inform you. LK (Steve) agrees with our ruleset.

Inui's approach is nothing good, but that's just always his personality. Running a smash tournament is 5 times easier than any mess you can cook up for halo3. And don't act like we're just smash players, because I was pro in halo2, and I'm sick at halo3.

Lastly: We don't need the 'we've gone into debt' sob stories. You're in the wrong forum if you're looking for TLC, man.

You need to chill out, and relax, and not take everything to heart. The last the you want to do, is attack the people who will be paying your bills.

 

[teh_spamerer]

LK (Steve) agrees with our ruleset.

No, he doesn't.

RedAxelRanger: smashers like to go WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
RedAxelRanger: because they're scrubs and only want to win or see people win a certain way
Haitiansideplaya: like no joke
Haitiansideplaya: like
Haitiansideplaya: if there was fuzzy guard in smash
Haitiansideplaya: good bye
RedAxelRanger: lmao
RedAxelRanger: it'd be banned
Haitiansideplaya: "OH NO I CANT SEE IT"

Inui's approach is nothing good, but that's just always his personality.

Yes, dmbrandon is 100% correct about this. If you disagree with Inui about [insert anything here] he will throw a temper tantrum and hurl over 9000 insults at you.

Running a smash tournament is 5 times easier than any mess you can cook up for halo3. And don't act like we're just smash players, because I was pro in halo2, and I'm sick at halo3.

This is a smash topic on a smash forum for a smash tournament. He never said that you didn't play any other games either.

Lastly: We don't need the 'we've gone into debt' sob stories. You're in the wrong forum if you're looking for TLC, man.

lmao he just said he went into debt. He never asked for your sympathy

You need to chill out, and relax, and not take everything to heart. The last the you want to do, is attack the people who will be paying your bills.

if I was running this I would have ordered you to get out of this thread and asked Tope to kick you out if you didn't leave. Dmbrandon and Sahara Desert Inui aren't the only two people who are going to the tournament.

 

[Lord Knight]

I made one small oversight concerning the rules - there will be one stage reset allowed per player on the random stage select.

However, besides that, my ruleset will stand. I believe the stages that are left on are not game breaking. There are a couple of stages that are questionable imo (like Luigi's Mansion), and this tournament will put it to the test. If something is found to be far too strong and consistently decide sets without requiring any skill, it will be banned. Lucas, I find it silly that you of all players want to ban a stage because character's have strategy on them. Your vitrolic tone is unneccessary, this tourney is far from "intolerable" or "horrendous", and I'm upset that you would so strongly disagree with something as miniscule as four stages being on that you would not attend the tournament. To that, it's your loss. The rules are not changing. They will once Ike starts winning tournies by always going to Corneria and doing ~45% damage.

 

[Atomsk_92]

or dks win by going to corneria and cargo up throwing at 80%

 

[pauliedanger]

Brandon, for a page and half I tried to say "Relax, we're going to address it". So if I say "cool your jets", all I'm saying is relax and give me a minute to talk to Steve about the rules. And I am new around here, which is why I didn't go after Inui's throat for calling my company "trash". I'm trying to be respectful of the community because I am new and I do only want to contribute positively to the Brawl scene. If I didn't give a **** I would have rolled in said, "Hey, I'm doing a tourney, this is the crap ruleset I came up with."

And by the way, Brandon, Steve agrees with some of your rules. But I'm letting him experiment with somethings. If they work, great. If not, we'll make the changes.

But I found two guys that are in the scene, know what they're doing, and I'm working with them to put on the best tournaments we can throw. We will not halfass something. If someone has a legitimate gripe about something, we'll deal with it. But continually saying, "I'm not coming unless you make these changes for me" without giving me an opportunity to deal with it just doesn't help the situation, doesn't matter who's knew or who's old in the scene.

Now, I just got off the phone with Steve, and he'll be posting shortly. But as I've said before, we are not above adjusting these rules. We want to experiment with the rules a little bit and we may not hit a homerun on the first tournament, but our Summer Season alone is two tournaments a month in July, August and September. That's not even considering the fall schedule, which will run October - January. And unless a lot of people bail from the Brawl scene, we will continue to feature Brawl as one of our main event games (meaning it receives priority when it comes to resources and sponsorships).

There are five of us at Philly Gamers, plus two game-day staff members and (counting Steve and Al) three player representatives. That's ten people who only want to run good tournaments.

And talking about the money we've laid out wasn't to get a sob story, it was to prove that we mean business. If I wanted a little sympathy I would have told you some of my fire house stories. But none of you want that drama, either.

So all I'm asking is that you all give us a chance to do this right. I'm really a sweetheart when you get to know me. And I honestly hope you all (Inui included) comes out at some point this summer.

By the way, Brandon. Get a teammate, we'd love to have you in the Halo 2v2 bracket as well. We've got two or three top 100 MLG teams (including at least 1 top 50), along with at least one PMS/H2O team and maybe some Frag Dominant players coming in for the H3 Doubles. We also have some sick Guitar Hero players coming (apparently the whole Montage GH squad will be there, too, which is awesome). But I try not to talk about other games we're running in game-specific boards as to not disrespect the boards' admins. IE: I'm not talking about Brawl or GH on our H3 message board because it's an H3 board.

Lastly, the only thing I took to heart was Inui calling my organization "trash". That was unnecessary. I just found out the tournament I went to in Princeton was his, and I've got nothing but positives to say about that one. It was a great turn-out, well organized, games moved at a great pace. he does a good job. So that's all I'm sore about. The rest of is, please just read as me holding my hands up saying, "Wait a minute, give me a little time to deal with it." And like I said, Steve will be posting shortly to explain what's going on and why.

(sorry, I get a little long winded.)
Edit: Steve already replied. I write too much.
I now digress.

 

[CT Chia]

ok so theres one stage reset for brawl (uhg it takes so much longer than melee lol) but how many stage bans are there? just 1?

also, say i go to this and i wanna play a round of guitar hero 3 with someone, i can do that without entering the tourney right? i dont feel like paying $10 for a tourney il prob get last in, but i still love me some guitar hero lol

 

[Lord Knight]

Yes, there is one stage ban.

This means if you are smart and you know your opponent will most definately pick a counterpick stage, you can choose to ban a stage that you would do bad at, and still have [limited] control over your random.

 

[Inui]

Steve, you have Onett on.

I shouldn't have to say more about your opinions on what stages are fair. They're completely invalid to me. You can't even understand why Corneria should be banned after I outined it. Jason thinks Corneria needs to be banned, too.

 

[Lord Knight]

All you outlined on Corneria is strategy. I don't need to kneel before Jason's opinion either. If you're going to keep your mindset you may as well quit GG because the minute something uber broke is found in that people are going to use it as much as possible.

If something is found to be far too strong and consistently decide sets without requiring any skill, it will be banned.

Almost all character's have ridicoulous fin camping strategies

Isn't that how entire games are balanced as well?

 

[Inui]

Wall infinites, unstoppable fin camping, and lasers ****** you = requiring skill? What's wrong with you?

YOU HAVE ONETT ON. Wario Ware is more fair.

I'm upset that you would so strongly disagree with something as miniscule as four stages being on that you would not attend the tournament. To that, it's your loss. The rules are not changing. They will once Ike starts winning tournies by always going to Corneria and doing ~45% damage.

Four stages are on that are horrendously unbalanced, unfair, and indeed gamebreaking as I've both seen and experienced during earlier tournaments. It's not my loss at all. I can't win with those rules. Dedede will always crush me since I loathe playing those lightweight feathers he can't chaingrab, and forcing people to learn a top tier featherweight or lose a set is not cool at all. I'll be saving a lot of money by not going.

You've already seen how insane those stages are yourself. You probably just don't care because now you have 4 stages that give you a 0% chance of losing to 2/3 of the characters in the game. GG, dude. You'll finally win big money in Brawl because you main Dedede. I can't wait to see nothing but Dedede and Meta Knight in the top 10ish placings.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Wall infinites, unstoppable fin camping, and lasers ****** you = requiring skill? What's wrong with you?

Unstoppable fin camping? Hmm...I didn't realize counterpicking Corneria meant Snake players are banned from using any projectiles. I didn't realize Ness and Lucas are banned from using up B. I didn't realize Link and Toon Link are banned from using bombs. I didn't realize Peach is banned from using turnips. I didn't realize ROB was banned from using Gyros. I didn't realize Diddy was banned from using bananas. I didn't realize G&W was banned from using bacon. Oh wait a second...

Lasers ****** you? LOOOOOOOL. MM my Meta Knight there with Fox please. I won't wing camp eternally with shuttle loop and you can laser camp to your heart's content.

YOU HAVE ONETT ON. Wario Ware is more fair.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL! Yes, a stage where you get a Star for winning a microgame is obviously as fair as a stage where campers are rewarded. Let's look at Fox vs Metaknight on Battlefield and Onett. On Battlefield, it is difficult or near impossible for Fox to run away and camp lasers. On Onett, it is difficult or near impossible for Meta Knight to stop Fox from running away and camping lasers. If Battlefield shouldn't be banned even though it clearly gives aggressive playing styles an advantage then Onett should not be banned even if it clearly gives camping playing styles an advantage.

Four stages are on that are horrendously unbalanced, unfair, and indeed gamebreaking as I've both seen and experienced during earlier tournaments.

Hmm...I ***** Trevor's Dedede on Mario Circuit the last time I played it there. I will also MM YOUR Dedede there, on Onett, on Green Hill Zone, and on Corneria. I'm not gonna waste my time respond to the rest because it's just more of you crying about strategies that you can deal with if you're not a scrub.

 

[pauliedanger]

@ Chibo: Because of our limited space and set-ups (particularly for Guitar Hero) there won't be time for casuals. And just as a heads-up to people planning on entering Guitar Hero or Halo. Entry fees for those games are different, it's a flat $30 for Guitar Hero 3, three song double elimination. Halo 3 is $60/team for double elimination.

@ inui: just because people have explained to me that you act like an ******* does not make it right. If you continue to describe our future tournaments as horrendous, intolerable, or trash, you and I are going to have some serious issues. I suggest you cease acting like a prick to Steve and myself. I'm taking those comments personally because I have spent a lot of time and put a lot of work into this company. And to have some kid flame me for a tournament that hasn't happened yet is ridiculous.

So knock it off, grow up and start acting like an adult.

 

[Lord Knight]

Also Lucas, you know what kind of stages I personally counterpick. Accusing me of trying to rig the tournament seriously insults me. And what do you mean "finally" anyway? You already know I've won plenty of cash from Brawl. Right now my rules stand and I'm not changing them, if you really feel that way, you don't have to come and someone else can take the spot.

Chibo, like anyone really needs to warm up for Brawl anyway.

 

[dmbrandon]

Good ****, Paulie. I'm liking the way you're handling ****.

Please, though, don't call PMS a halo team. they're a joke. :D!@!!!

(/hates girl gamers)

 

[pauliedanger]

Good ****, Paulie. I'm liking the way you're handling ****.

Please, though, don't call PMS a halo team. they're a joke. :D!@!!!

(/hates girl gamers)

I'm trying to handle it right. This time last year though, I'd be slinging insults like Woody Boyd slings drinks.

And the one PMS/H2O team that's confirmed is an H2O recruit team, but I'm expecting more to come out. And don't hate on PMS, I'm an H2O recruit next month, and I <3 girl gamers.

 

[Inui]

@ inui: just because people have explained to me that you act like an ******* does not make it right. If you continue to describe our future tournaments as horrendous, intolerable, or trash, you and I are going to have some serious issues. I suggest you cease acting like a prick to Steve and myself. I'm taking those comments personally because I have spent a lot of time and put a lot of work into this company. And to have some kid flame me for a tournament that hasn't happened yet is ridiculous.

So knock it off, grow up and start acting like an adult.

The RULES are horrendous trash. I'm sure the tournament overall will be fine and the other games will be fine. Brawl's stage rules are trash. You completely misread that.

No. Learn how to read and then you wouldn't be crying about what I said right now.

Also Lucas, you know what kind of stages I personally counterpick. Accusing me of trying to rig the tournament seriously insults me. And what do you mean "finally" anyway? You already know I've won plenty of cash from Brawl. Right now my rules stand and I'm not changing them, if you really feel that way, you don't have to come and someone else can take the spot.

You have't made much off of Brawl. But, now's your chance to win a LARGE sum of money at once due to the stages doing <insert what I said> for you. You've seen them break the game personally. You've experienced it. I have no idea why you're allowing them. Even without Dedede, walk-offs are horrible for competitive play and you know why. Forcing someone to have one of the few top tier featherweights as a tournament main or be guaranteed to lose is absolutely unacceptable. You're saying "play Meta Knight, Fox, Falco, or campy Zelda or lose." That's what your rules are saying to everyone. Awesome stuff. Why don't you see this? Walk-offs got banned in Melee eventually because they SUCK. Why would you DIGRESS back to the early days of Melee in terms of stage rules? That's EXACTLY what a lot of people are doing. Walk-offs are even MORE broken now then they were in Melee. You could smash DI shines, the Fox can mess up since waveshining is tons harder than Dedede chaingrabbing, and you can DI chaingrabs in general.

I'm NOT the only one saying the stage rules are bad. Chibo agreed that some of them are horrible. Jason thinks Corneria is a bad stage for tournaments, so it's a given he feels the same way about the others. dmbrandon and the rest of Montage obviously agrees since they support Montage's tournament rules. You're just biased towards what Kashif says because you play Dedede and he plays every good featherweight. Oh, also you're super bestest friends forever and ever with him.

Your stage rules have doomed many players to automatic losses against Dedede, and have doomed people to play on stages where it's nothing but boring camping and high risk/high reward garbage.

@Kashif: I remember Trevor's Dedede absolutely crushing your Fox at Mario Circuit. Dedede still has the advantage on those characters at those stages, just a lot less than 90/10 like vs characters he can chaingrab. He kills you way too easily.

 

[dmbrandon]

Girl halo players are a JOKE! I've never seen one all girl team get past loser's round two in any MLG event. I'm all for mixed teams, but I hate FEMALE GAMER PRIDE.

It's bull****.

If it's low level h20, I'll be taking best at 2nd round loser's! LOL

The good h20 teams are no good, let alone the bad ones. Then again, I'm basing this on Halo2, and not halo3, so /shrug.

I'm def coming to this event, though. As for GH, is it GH3, or modded?

 

[dmbrandon]

Double post:

Stop the arguing, or I'm going to intervene.

No more posts, just stop, please. Thank you.

 

[teh_spamerer]

@Kashif: I remember Trevor's Dedede absolutely crushing your Fox at Mario Circuit. Dedede still has the advantage on those characters at those stages, just a lot less than 90/10 like vs characters he can chaingrab. He kills you way too easily.

I didn't realize Waddle Dees stop lasers, that is quite gay. Next time I went Zelda and beat him just as bad as he beat me if not worse. So MM me if Dedede has such an advantage on all of those stages, I will be happy to take your money.

You're just biased towards what Kashif says because you play Dedede and he plays every good featherweight. Oh, also you're super bestest friends forever and ever with him.

Nah, he's just biased to what I say because he's biased towards what people who aren't scrubs think as that's what the ruleset is supposed to be tailored towards. Guess what, Fox ***** on Poke Floats and Corneria in Melee. He can wall infinite half the characters on both stages, kill them off the ceiling at absurdly low %'s, he can laser camp on both of those stages VERY well. And you know what...both stages STILL aren't banned because they don't deserve to be. Stages should only be banned when the ONLY winning strategy on them is to play ONE way and that will win 100% of the time or if the stage has random gheyness like Warioware.

 

[pauliedanger]

Inui, I'm tired of you talking. Come to the tournament and prove it. I'm challenging you, put up or shut up. I'm tired of you slinging "horrendous" and "trash" around regarding any aspect of my tournament. So come out, and prove us wrong. Less talk, more rock. (insert favorite shut up and play cliche here).

 

[Inui]

Inui, I'm tired of you talking. Come to the tournament and prove it. I'm challenging you, put up or shut up. I'm tired of you slinging "horrendous" and "trash" around regarding any aspect of my tournament. So come out, and prove us wrong. Less talk, more rock. (insert favorite shut up and play cliche here).

I don't main Dedede or a top tier featherweight, so it'll be pretty hard to prove anything about those stages besides what I already said; non-Dedede/top tier featherweight players are doomed. I'd have to win the first match or definitely lose the set with those awesome rules.

 

[pauliedanger]

I don't main Dedede or a top tier featherweight, so it'll be pretty hard to prove anything about those stages besides what I already said; non-Dedede/top tier featherweight players are doomed. I'd have to win the first match or definitely lose the set with those awesome rules.

Then shut the **** up, because I'm tired of hearing you *****.

 

[UltimaScout]

Inui, stop arguing with them. If you want to prove yourself, since you talked **** to me on the Delaware thread... why not ignore tournament rules come on over to DE, and MM me in melee & brawl. I will let you pick whatever stage you want, and you can choose your char after mine. GG.

Ante up, or shut up

 

[Inui]

Then shut the **** up, because I'm tired of hearing you *****.

No.

First off, Onett needs to banned no matter what. Now Mario Circuit and Green Hill Zone... It's obvious that Dedede is completely broken on these two stages as there's always a walk off area. Also a lot of camping happens on Green Hill especially with the help of the lamppost. If you only allow one stage ban, definitely do now allow these stages.

Onett, Bridge, and Green hill neeeeeeed to go. They really do break the game. We just recently passed a ban on green greens as well, but like Chibo said, if you run 2 bans per set, leaving GG and Corneria on will be fine.

I believe Onett, Corneria, and Green Hill Zone need to go.

Corneria should be banned.

I am NOT the only one that feels the stage rules are inapproriate for tournament play.

Inui, stop arguing with them. If you want to prove yourself, since you talked **** to me on the Delaware thread... why not ignore tournament rules come on over to DE, and MM me in melee & brawl. I will let you pick whatever stage you want, and you can choose your char after mine. GG.

Ante up, or shut up

Who are you again?

Just kidding, but come on. I haven't seen ANYTHING about you when it comes to tournaments.

 

[pauliedanger]

No.

You know what, kid. I've heard all the arguments. And I've heard your incessant chatter. We have made our decision. These rules will be enforced for the first tournament. If we need to make changes for the other five events, they will be made AFTER THE FIRST EVENT.

But you constantly repeating the same inane argument has done nothing but make me weep for whoever needs to listen to you IRL all day long.

Please stop trying to sabotage this tournament with your childishness. Steve and I have heard your argument. We think you are wrong. Deal with it. Or go cry. But stop trying to ruin **** for us. You're only making yourself look stupid.

And if Mew2King wants to ban Corneria, I believe he has the option to do so prior to his matches. No other game I've ever played gives you this much control over what levels you play.

If I had this much control over my levels in Halo 3, I would never play Construct. But when I have to play a level I'm not as good on, I suck it up and do my best.

Now that we're thoroughly sick and ****ing tired of each other, can we call a god****ed truce? You quit spamming this thread with your opinion, and I'll quit stabbing the little you shaped voodoo doll I've crafted. Deal?

 

[Velocity]

YOU'VE ONLY BEEN STABBING :explanation mark: you better **** that doll up! NO DEAL.

 

[Inui]

You know what, kid. I've heard all the arguments. And I've heard your incessant chatter. We have made our decision. These rules will be enforced for the first tournament. If we need to make changes for the other five events, they will be made AFTER THE FIRST EVENT.

I'm an adult, not a child. You'll definitely change the rules after this event when you see how broken those stages are.

But you constantly repeating the same inane argument has done nothing but make me weep for whoever needs to listen to you IRL all day long.

The vast majority of tournaments use rules far closer to Montage's than the rules Steve feels are fair. Inane? I think not, good sir. I gave extremely good reasons to ban Corneria, for instance. Steve and Kashif are the MINORITY when it comes to the rules they think are fair.

Please stop trying to sabotage this tournament with your childishness. Steve and I have heard your argument. We think you are wrong. Deal with it. Or go cry. But stop trying to ruin **** for us. You're only making yourself look stupid.

I'm trying to save many people, including myself, from being sabotaged by the rules. Not the other way around.

And if Mew2King wants to ban Corneria, I believe he has the option to do so prior to his matches. No other game I've ever played gives you this much control over what levels you play.

And the other three stages that should definitely be banned? No other game has so many stages unsuitable for competitive play.

If I had this much control over my levels in Halo 3, I would never play Construct. But when I have to play a level I'm not as good on, I suck it up and do my best.

Halo doesn't have infinites, winning matches off of three hits, etc.

Now that we're thoroughly sick and ****ing tired of each other, can we call a god****ed truce? You quit spamming this thread with your opinion, and I'll quit stabbing the little you shaped voodoo doll I've crafted. Deal?

I'll peacefully debate the issue and express my opinion as much as I want. I'm not going to be a douche about it or as harsh anymore, but that's the best I can do.