PETA swears that "Your Daddy Kills Animals"

[Goopygoo]

Glad we can agree. If you wanna make an animal rights thread, I'd be happy to join in.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

PETA is full of itself.

Here's the comic in a nut shell:

"Your father likes to fish. He cought one and killed it, therefor, it's technical homicide. Through this, we can conclude that your father is a mass murderer."

It makes me sick to know that PETA is subliminally teaching kids these psychological misinterpretations. Sure, we kill animals, but it's a practical cycle that must be achieved to live. especially amoung carniverous species.

Haven't they ever thought about it from the animals behalf? If you were plankton in the sea, do you think that the fish wouldn't eat you? Much less any animal?

Why doesn't PETA say something about Bears eating Fish? I guess that would be too much of a contradiction on their behalf.

 

[Eor]

That wasn't a comparison. Read it again.

It was an unintentional analogy you made, you compared the struggle of animals to the struggle of blacks by saying they where both fighting against the same mindset. I didn't think you where racist.

If we're the best species on the planet, then why are we destroying everything just to be dominant? Is that really the best way to define the "best" species?

Since when have we done it to be dominant? No one wakes up and thinks "Well, those gorillas have been killing my ego as a dominant species, I guess I'll just take down the rain forest". We do it for further our own goal, as any other creature does. The fact that we can debate about this shows that we are more capable then any other creature. can you really think of one species you'd consider above us?

You have no way to prove that animals don't have emotions. In fact, you can barely even prove that humans have emotions./QUOTE]

Who the hell would seriously say we can barely prove humans have emotions? I feel angry, therefore I feel angry. It's a 1=1 type of equation, I feel emotion, therefore I have emotion.

 

[Goopygoo]

One time, at the circus, this woman from PETA was dressed up in an elephant costume to support elephant's rights. Since she was dressed up as an elephant kids ran up to her. Guess what she gave those little kids. Guess.

 

[Weed]

Hell, even I kill animals.

 

[jamminjohn]

It was an unintentional analogy you made, you compared the struggle of animals to the struggle of blacks by saying they where both fighting against the same mindset. I didn't think you where racist.

Since when have we done it to be dominant? No one wakes up and thinks "Well, those gorillas have been killing my ego as a dominant species, I guess I'll just take down the rain forest". We do it for further our own goal, as any other creature does. The fact that we can debate about this shows that we are more capable then any other creature. can you really think of one species you'd consider above us?

Who the hell would seriously say we can barely prove humans have emotions? I feel angry, therefore I feel angry. It's a 1=1 type of equation, I feel emotion, therefore I have emotion.

Thanks for not thinking I'm racist. That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

The goal of being dominant is a mindset of our culture that most people don't think about, but still follow. It's not an individual's. I think I'll make a separate thread later when I'm bored in class.

The question of emotion is another really tricky thing. What if a robot were to say that it has emotion? We'd have to get into a huge philosophical argument that I'm barely ready for. You or someone else can make a separate thread about this and I'll be glad to participate.

 

[t!MmY]

The discussion upon emotions, sentience, and existence has been debated by people across the centuries. And this is just in proving human emotions/sentience/existence. Beatle in a box.

 

[Mic_128]

We dominate the planet, we're more intelligent, and we can adapt more then most of them can. We are the best species on the planet, because we dominate the planet.

So because we've managed to trash a lot of the planet, we're better? Humans have the potential to be better, not because we built cities or anything, but because we can care and look after other other species. Tazmanian Devils are starting to die off from some sort of tumors that seem to be spread by biting and scientists are working on a cure. Don't see Monkeys working on a solution.

Then again, don't see a monkey dumping crap into the drinking water of another colony of monkeys for personal gain.

 

[Varuna]

You obviously don't know what anybody's talking about. Eating meat is completely natural, as is the killing that goes along with it. It's mass fish farming, unreasonable treatment of animals all for the sake of surplus that's the problem. Think of it this way: You're fishing for your family. Do you go out to the river and keep netting until your boat is full? No! You get a few fish, just what you need, and go home. It's the same situation but in a larger scale.

he was being sarcastic, your right: killing as much as you can eat is natural, but PETA doesn't think so. Farming is a product of a human trait called specialization. The doctors have to spend a lot of time being doctors, but if they want to eat fish I think they should be allowed, The fish farmers have to spend too much time farming fish so they don't really know how to treat themselves if they get seriously injured. Not saying that this whole thing hasn't become a problem, I'm saying that I don't view humans a vicious animals that only live to kill.

As for treatment of animals, do you even realize what goes on inside those factories? Pigs, cows, chicken, ducks and every thing else we eat are torn apart, and broken (literally) slowly and painfully. They're all alive and fully conscious unless they were lucky enough to die of something else beforehand like malnutrition or shock.

Do you? Walt Disney could make a kid friendly documentary on what goes on in a slaughter house and some people would rather believe that. I'd be willing to bet that you haven't actually taken a tour of one of those meat factories and, ironically enough, thats really the complacency that most of those videos are trying to fight against.

For everyone else:

What the hell makes you think you're more special than any other animals? Just because we're self-aware and can create language doesn't mean we're better. Some of you guys are thinking like people thought in the previous centuries that "colored" people were 3/5 of a person.

I for one don't believe that we are in any way more important that animals but I do believe we have some traits that no other animals on this planet have.

And that is totally a comparison to black people.

You just compared black people to animals. Great job.
I think a human is better then an animal because we are superior to them in most ways. We dominate the planet, we're more intelligent, and we can adapt more then most of them can. We are the best species on the planet, because we dominate the planet.

More intelligent yes, more dominant (in this habitat) yes, More adaptable yes, but better?, superior?

Nietzsche time.
"For this intellect has no further mission that would lead beyond human life. It is human, rather, and only its owner and producer gives it such importance, as if the world pivoted around it. But if we could communicate with the mosquito, then we would learn that it floats through the air with the same self importance, feeling within itself the flying center of the world. There is nothing in nature so despicable or insignificant that it cannot immediately be blown up like a bag by a slight breath of this power of knowledge; and just as every porter wants an admirer, the proudest human being, the philosopher, thinks that he sees the eyes of the universe telescopically focused from all sides on his actions and thoughts."

The point is that we only see life from the perspective of our survival or even survival period. Better and superior are subjective things.

PETA has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

wtf

It's pretty hard to circumvent, but fine. You got me. I was just pissed that people start hating the idea of animal rights just because PETA is stupid.

I don't think anybody was seriously talking about animal rights until you brought it up.

 

[Brookman]

People get so irrational when they believe in something.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Id love to gut a PETA member. Anyone who tells me I shouldnt be eating a giant steak right now, (and I should be) is wrong.

 

[Brookman]

Yea, I'm all for animal rights, so long as they don't interfere with my right to eat them.

 

[pikachun00b7]

Why can't my mom fish and my dad wear a fur coat

Stereotypes ftl

Why can't my parents be fishes wearing fur coats?

I like chicken!

 

[Mr.Lombardi34]

Basicly by saying that you don't beleive that we are above all other species contradicts the the entire book of Genesis. It says that God named humans the dominent life on earth.

Not to get all religous about the argument, but I just thought I'd bring up that point.

 

[jamminjohn]

The discussion upon emotions, sentience, and existence has been debated by people across the centuries. And this is just in proving human emotions/sentience/existence. Beatle in a box.

Your argument is a little incomplete. Your thought may have been complete but you didn't put it all out so this made no sense to me.

Varuna and Mic: Thank you for being intelligent.

The discussion upon emotions, sentience, and existence has been debated by people across the centuries. And this is just in proving human emotions/sentience/existence. Beatle in a box.

Basicly by saying that you don't beleive that we are above all other species contradicts the the entire book of Genesis. It says that God named humans the dominent life on earth.

Not to get all religous about the argument, but I just thought I'd bring up that point.

Oh, man. Don't get me started on religion. I'm a hardcore atheist. Besides, it's not fair for this thread to get off topic more than it has already (which I somewhat initiated, I guess).

 

[t!MmY]

Your argument is a little incomplete. Your thought may have been complete but you didn't put it all out so this made no sense to me.

You're right on both accounts. I decided to pgo play smash instead of write a long post.

 

[Falco&Victory]

One time, at the circus, this woman from PETA was dressed up in an elephant costume to support elephant's rights. Since she was dressed up as an elephant kids ran up to her. Guess what she gave those little kids. Guess.

Either candy or little elephant fetuses. Either way they're sick sadistic b@st@rds

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

As for treatment of animals, do you even realize what goes on inside those factories? Pigs, cows, chicken, ducks and every thing else we eat are torn apart, and broken (literally) slowly and painfully. They're all alive and fully conscious unless they were lucky enough to die of something else beforehand like malnutrition or shock.

Altough I do find these kind of factories atrocious, most of the factories they put in their videos are the bottom of barrel, poorest of the poor factories, and some aren't even in the U.S. altogether. Taking the worst of the worst and passing it of as your run-of-the-mill everyday factory is using deciet to get what you want.

What the hell makes you think you're more special than any other animals? Just because we're self-aware and can create language doesn't mean we're better. Some of you guys are thinking like people thought in the previous centuries that "colored" people were 3/5 of a person.

Wow, that is a bit extreme. This thread was made to ROFL at PETA, I didn't think people would take it this seriously.

Oh, and nothing i eat has emotions(the chinese eat dogs though)

It's against the law now, I believe, but some poeple think it's still going regularly, and have "proof"

Again, I've seen these videos. Let me tell you, cats and dogs are being cooked, but it certainly isn't in a fancy Beijing restaurant, these are the backwoods of the backwoods. Again, some places weren't in China altogether.

Even so, if you are poor and starving, giving your little food to a cat or dog, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to eat it. No, I wouldn't eat MY cat or dog, but by the same token, if I raised a cow from a calf and became personally attached to it by caring for it, I would let no one cook it. Some for chickens, a sheep, etc.

Besides, even if they did serve cats on the menu (which they don't), I wouldn't feel to offended. After all, a different culture from us doesn't make them "evil". PETA would be all over them too, but thank God it isn't the case.

Or, if you read these stories and are now Xenophobic, GTFO.

yeah, and lighten up, the person who made this thread is rofling

HARD.

 

[Goopygoo]

Either candy or little elephant fetuses. Either way they're sick sadistic b@st@rds

Wrong. She gave those kids pictures of mutilated elephants. It was wrong, but sure was hilarious seeing those little kids run crying to their mommies.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Wrong. She gave those kids pictures of mutilated elephants. It was wrong, but sure was hilarious seeing those little kids run crying to their mommies.

Think of all the years of therapy. Whenever anything reminds them of the circus, that will be the first thing that comes to mind.

Those kids got mind-*****.

 

[commonyoshi]

Then again, don't see a monkey dumping crap into the drinking water of another colony of monkeys for personal gain.

Forgive me if I have my facts wrong, but dont ants/bees attack other different colonies for their own gain?

 

[Mic_128]

Forgive me if I have my facts wrong, but dont ants/bees attack other ants of different colonies for their own gain?

Don't know about Bees (do know they're social insects too) but Ants are destructive and violent, but they do what they do for the benefit of The Colony, not for a pay check.

 

[CanadianIdiot]

This whole PETA thing is a funny-creepy thing. It makes you laugh at how pathetic they are, trying to scare children because it won't work on adults. But what freaks me out is that they are trying to have children turn on their parents. So what? The guy's gutting a fish. Big whoop!

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

Wrong. She gave those kids pictures of mutilated elephants. It was wrong, but sure was hilarious seeing those little kids run crying to their mommies.

yep much better to keep the blindfolds on our children and blinders on their parents. if it doesn't affect them directly they don't give a ****. god bless america.

 

[plasmawisp6633]

Now, I agree with PETA on some severe issues, but this is just silly. Does anyone actually agree with PETA on this, or can we all pass this off as PETA complaining again?

Dude, agree with what you believe is severe. Don't agree with PETA on anything.

 

[psicicle]

The problem with PETA is that most of their assumptions and logic is flat out wrong.

A dissection of their assumptions:

1) Humans are not animals, and are somehow special

2) Killing animals for any reason is morally wrong

3) Humans are equivalent to animals; killing an animal is morally equal to killing a human, regardless of species etc.

As you can see, number 1 directly contradicts number 3.

Also, for the PETA people... what about the multitude of micro organisms and bacteria that you kill every day? Is their genocide equivalent to the holocaust too?

Ever taken an antibiotic? Too bad, now you're hitler because by the (lack of) logic above, killing animals is as morally apprehensible as killing germs.

EDIT: By the way, I don't see eating cats and dogs as morally worse than eating a cow. Really, what is the difference (morally)? Pigs are pretty intelligent, so intelligence should not come into play. THat said, I would not eat cat or dog for cultural reasons. I would not stop anybody from doing so though.

A thing Ive noticed is that it is mostly herbivores that are given the "okay" to eat. I guess that is because they are easier to farm and because the most widely eaten. I'm guessing that if catsa and dogs were the same in every way besides being herbivores, they would be okay to eat too.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Don't know about Bees (do know they're social insects too) but Ants are destructive and violent, but they do what they do for the benefit of The Colony, not for a pay check.

I think that's what he meant by "their own gain". I think bees do the same thing..

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

The problem with PETA is that most of their assumptions and logic is flat out wrong.

A dissection of their assumptions:

1) Humans are not animals, and are somehow special

2) Killing animals for any reason is morally wrong

3) Humans are equivalent to animals; killing an animal is morally equal to killing a human, regardless of species etc.

As you can see, number 1 directly contradicts number 3.

Also, for the PETA people... what about the multitude of micro organisms and bacteria that you kill every day? Is their genocide equivalent to the holocaust too?

Ever taken an antibiotic? Too bad, now you're hitler because by the (lack of) logic above, killing animals is as morally apprehensible as killing germs.

EDIT: By the way, I don't see eating cats and dogs as morally worse than eating a cow. Really, what is the difference (morally)? Pigs are pretty intelligent, so intelligence should not come into play. THat said, I would not eat cat or dog for cultural reasons. I would not stop anybody from doing so though.

A thing Ive noticed is that it is mostly herbivores that are given the "okay" to eat. I guess that is because they are easier to farm and because the most widely eaten. I'm guessing that if catsa and dogs were the same in every way besides being herbivores, they would be okay to eat too.

please show me where PETA says those 3 points you attributed to them.

As far as your micro organism argument.... well quite frankly give me a freaking break. What a straw man argument. It's a total misrepresentation of what animal activists believe.
Kind of akin to saying "LOL Peta hates people who have pets wtf!" when in fact they believe this: http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

I don't see why you would want to disparage an organization that simply wants to do good. Well, maybe if you're a big fan of Michael Vick...

 

[Gamer4Fire]

The problem with PETA is that most of their assumptions and logic is flat out wrong.

A dissection of their assumptions:

1) Humans are not animals, and are somehow special

Funny, seeing how their slogan is, "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." They seem to equate humans with animals.

 

[Varuna]

please show me where PETA says those 3 points you attributed to them.

As far as your micro organism argument.... well quite frankly give me a freaking break. What a straw man argument. It's a total misrepresentation of what animal activists believe.
Kind of akin to saying "LOL Peta hates people who have pets wtf!" when in fact they believe this: http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

I don't see why you would want to disparage an organization that simply wants to do good. Well, maybe if you're a big fan of Michael Vick...

Good is way too subjective in this context. Fire bombing animal testing labs? Good? Alienating children from their parents? Good?

The serial murderer might want to do good. Just like the woman who has osteoporosis and needs to drink milk(from cows) to keep her bones. Just like the mother whose child faces malnutrition. Just like the vice president of PETA who is currently taking plenty of medications most of which are derived from animal testing. Just like the species that started eating meat and eggs that provided them with the protein necessary for developing larger brains; but I don't really care. I'm not crystal clear on the "stances" that PETA takes because I'm more familiar with their actions.

I don't believe PETA is the emperor of animal activist.

All the examples I used in this post are meant to get an emotional reaction only, they are things you just mention that appeal only to blind emotion. I for one believe that PETA's propaganda thrives on this type of thing and thats link that you gave us is no exception.

this is important so I'll try to say it as clearly as possible.


The reason we are downing PETA, and NOT animal rights, is that the ACTIONS they take to achieve their goals are, by most common standards (INCLUDING some of their own), despicable.

 

[Eor]

Don't know about Bees (do know they're social insects too) but Ants are destructive and violent, but they do what they do for the benefit of The Colony, not for a pay check.

That's because they have no knowledge of a pay check. They're ants. They have no problem murdering everyone from another colony, I wouldn't try and say that they'd have better morals then we do

 

[psicicle]

Funny, seeing how their slogan is, "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." They seem to equate humans with animals.

Exactly, they equate humans to animals morally in terms of killing but for some reason place humans on a sort of higher level by making it our responsibility to stop eating animals even though there are plenty of other animals that do so.

Anyway, those three points were inferred from the stuff I read in the links in the first page.

And as for the microorganisms argument, I was pointing out that you can't make killing animals the same thing morally as killing humans with no reason. So I have just as much reason to say that killing micro organisms is morally wrong. (That's from what I read in the links in the first page) Their slogan quoted above does not make sense to me (unless someone would care to explain it?

EDIT: I don't think you can try to say that ants have better or worse morals than us. I don't think anybody thinks that ants have any free will (which I will define as the want to do something). I don't think that they are self conscious beings. Since they aren't self conscious you can't really try to say that ants have any sense of morals. However, I'm no ant biologist nor am I an actual ant; the above relies on ants not being self conscious which would be pretty hard to prove one way or another.

 

[Mic_128]

I wouldn't try and say that they'd have better morals then we do

Ants don't have morals, they have instincts which is to expand and defend, which they do with singlemindedness, assuming that's a word. A small village isn't an enemy to a mining corporation, and they had pleanty of alternatives to remove the waste, but instead chose to dump it into their drinking water. It wasn't malicious, it was just a fast and cheap way to solve a problem without thinking of others.

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

Good is way too subjective in this context. Fire bombing animal testing labs? Good? Alienating children from their parents? Good?

I knew I shouldn't have written that... too subjective (your examples included) is correct. And don't knock civil disobedience too much... it's a long standing American tradition. (yes I would throw a roadkill animal or bucket of red paint on a fur fashion designer)

I for one believe that PETA's propaganda thrives on this type of thing and thats link that you gave us is no exception.

this is important so I'll try to say it as clearly as possible.


The reason we are downing PETA, and NOT animal rights, is that the ACTIONS they take to achieve their goals are, by most common standards (INCLUDING some of their own), despicable.

I certainly don't agree with all of PETA's beliefs or actions. I disagree with their base belief that humans = animals, in fact... but it just really pisses me off when I see stuff bashing PETA, like "lol stupid kooks, I LOVE STEAK" and therefore people quickly dismissing the issues.
Even though I don't agree with all of PETA's actions/beliefs, I don't outright dismiss them.
It all comes back to that subjectivity. If you are only going to support organizations that you agree 110% with, then good luck supporting anything at all (unless you start one.)

 

[Varuna]

I knew I shouldn't have written that... too subjective (your examples included) is correct. And don't knock civil disobedience too much... it's a long standing American tradition. (yes I would throw a roadkill animal or bucket of red paint on a fur fashion designer)

Civil disobedience is generally not characterized by targeting lawmaker's children or anyones children for that matter, as that would be considered a personal attack. I didn't say sh

it about arceny.

I certainly don't agree with all of PETA's beliefs or actions. I disagree with their base belief that humans = animals, in fact... but it just really pisses me off when I see stuff bashing PETA, like "lol stupid kooks, I LOVE STEAK" and therefore people quickly dismissing the issues.
Even though I don't agree with all of PETA's actions/beliefs, I don't outright dismiss them.
It all comes back to that subjectivity. If you are only going to support organizations that you agree 110% with, then good luck supporting anything at all (unless you start one.)

I think you need to examine your belief that people who bash PETA are also dismissing the issues PETA are affiliated with. It just might be that people are saying that they love steak just to piss off PETA, because only that type of thing could get to PETA. Go to any sane naturalist and tell them "I love steak." and they might even say "Hey me too." Loving steak does not mean you are against the rights of animals, its simply food, and we are simply humans. There is really no reason for you to be mad at us for being mad at them.


The only reason you don't dismiss PETA's actions is because you don't dismiss their beliefs. If some group was just doing the things PETA does just to be doing them they would be shutdown almost immediately. But at this point, looking at all the things that you disagree on with PETA, it seems that your agreement or non-dismissal of PETA only goes as deep as a general notion of animal rights. SO WHY DEFEND THEM? They do despicable things for reasons you only remotely agree with, then you get all hussy when someone picks on all of their other beliefs, that you in fact, admit you don't believe.

I have said it once and I'll say it again

PETA is not the Emperor of animal rights.

And no its not possible to find an organization that you 100% agree with,

BUT WHY DEFEND AND ORGANIZATION'S STUPID ACTIONS WHEN YOU ONLY AGREE WITH 5% OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

If you really think that everybody in here saying "lolol I love steak", would put a cat in a microwave, then you are believing exactly what those fear mongering campaign-men at PETA would want you to believe.

 

[Brookman]

My cat was really wet cause of the hurricane, and I wanted to dry him off really quickly so he wouldn't get sick...I didn't think 15 seconds in a microwave would do that much damage

 

[psicicle]

that reminds me of the story where someone put their baby in the microwave... blech

 

[Varuna]

Brookman is an exception, but only cause hes dumb, not mean.

We love him anyway though.

HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND!!

 

[Brookman]

LOL, Yes .

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

I think you need to examine your belief that people who bash PETA are also dismissing the issues PETA are affiliated with. It just might be that people are saying that they love steak just to piss off PETA, because only that type of thing could get to PETA.

please see the "A Cruel and Harsh Fate..." thread in this forum. A bunch of people posted making dumb witty comments about loving to eat animals ect.