Official Pac-Man's Amazing Full Colour Fan Club! - Pac-Man General Thread

[Spears In Smash Bros.]

I have no idea what the S Flag would do. Galaga as an Assist Trophy sounds really likely, though.

Well, what did it do in other games, i.e. Starfox: Assault?

Galaga guys are in the same section of the press kit as regular items, so they're probably NOT an assist trophy.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

The S-Flag is just used as a collectible or score-raiser in most games it appears in. Because it appears in so many Namco games but doesn't do much beyond that, this is why I think it'll be used as an AT of sorts to summon a variety of classic Namco characters.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Pac-Man at E3 makes sense, but only if he's announced alongside a "badass" character that appeals to a different side of Nintendo's audience (Like Ridley or Shulk)

You forgot some one

He's not just a badass character hes the mother of all character the most request one of them all east and west

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Pac-man and Mewtwo at E3 would be epic!

 

[Zzuxon]

HOLY CRAP
Oh my god I'm so excited. Pac-Man is all but confirmed. yesyesyeyesyes...

I am not sure how to classify the Namco sprites... maybe the S-Flag is a regular item and Galaga is an Assist Trophy?

It looks to me like the special flag is an AT like item, possibly only for Namco characters.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

SFlag = Assist Trophy for Namco-characters? Seeing from the way Zard holded one, I have to agree now.

Intriguing. Very. I can't help seeing this being true. Can't wait to see S-sistants.

 

[Bauske]

I'm still so super stoked, guys. The thought of Pac-Man being a fighter has got me so excited I can barely contain it. And since they seem to be really focusing on balancing characters and making the roster diverse, I know they're going to make him fun with a lot of potential.

My issue with most fighting games is that the characters I tend to like the most tend to be the weakest, and it's incredibly upsetting. In Melee, Game & Watch and Mewtwo were my favorites, but they were weak compared to other characters. It was really upsetting.

I'm sincerely hoping Pac-Man isn't this way. In fact, on one hand, I'm hoping he's actually just slightly more powerful than other characters so that he gets widely used and people really enjoy him, but on the other hand, I'd rather he was balanced and just plain awesome and fun to use.

 

[Arcadenik]

If the S-Flag from Rally-X functions as an Assist Trophy that summons different Namco arcade characters and they all appear as 8-bit sprites... then I hope to see the following:

Galaga (confirmed)
Ms. Pac-Man (because I want Pac-Man himself to be playable)
Dig Dug
Xevious
Mappy

I am just listing the iconic Namco arcade games that were actually ported to the NES (adhering to the "third-party characters must appear on Nintendo systems" rule).

 

[WVdUde]

HOLY CRAP
Oh my god I'm so excited. Pac-Man is all but confirmed. yesyesyeyesyes...


It looks to me like the special flag is an AT like item, possibly only for Namco characters.

Assist Trophey= They can make only a select few Namco chars can be ATs, and Namco haters would still complain everytime a Galaxian pops out.

S-Flag= Many Namco characters can appear since they won't clog the AT roster. Namco haters can turn the S-flag off if they don't like the Namco summons.

 

[Zzuxon]

I'd like to see a wider range of Namco characters, a Soul Caliber SFlag Summon would make me very happy.

We need to figure out what to call these guys. SFlag Summon? S-Sisstant? Summon Flag?

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I see the S-Flag as being the Master Ball to the Assist Trophy's Poke Ball. It gives the player some control over what can be summoned because they're able to choose only one to be able to spawn.

Also, are Namco haters even a thing?

 

[SomewhatMystia]

I'd like to see a wider range of Namco characters, a Soul Caliber SFlag Summon would make me very happy.

We need to figure out what to call these guys. Summon Flag?

Wouldn't mind seeing some Tales of XYZ characters myself. That or Klonoa.

And I'm partial to Summon Flag or Assist Flag.

 

[WVdUde]

I see the S-Flag as being the Master Ball to the Assist Trophy's Poke Ball. It gives the player some control over what can be summoned because they're able to choose only one to be able to spawn.

Also, are Namco haters even a thing?

Well kinda, they're some Miiversers that want anything Pac-Man out of their Smash. And some that think letting Namco stuff in will ruin the game. And another few who want no arcade Namco stuff in, just Tales and maybe Tekken stuff.

 

[Bauske]

Guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for the Namco assist trophies to be that in-depth. If anything, I'm figuring it'll work like this: You pick up the S-Flag, and a random retro sprite out of maybe 2-4 different ones comes out and does stuff around the battlefield. The Galaxians pick fighters up, maybe the Rally X car drives around and dumps smoke around the arena, Pookas might pop out and do damage, etc. But I don't think we're gonna get Tales and Soul Calibur characters in here. This is a Nintendo fighting game, not a Namco collection. I'm happy they got something in there at all, and now I wanna see Pac-Man get revealed. :D

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I don't want to be a negative Nancy, but, if this Namco assist trophy theory is correct, then wouldn't that also open up the possibility of Pac-Man being one of the assist characters? After the Galaga ships, it's not too difficult to imagine classic arcade Pac-Man floating around the screen and chomping at the players...

 

[Nu~]

I don't want to be a negative Nancy, but, if this Namco assist trophy theory is correct, then wouldn't that also open up the possibility of Pac-Man being one of the assist characters? After the Galaga ships, it's not too difficult to imagine classic arcade Pac-Man floating around the screen and chomping at the players...

we have already talked about and dissmissed this theory because of the great amount of disrespect it would have on pacman, THE MASCOT of namco. leave assist trophy status for ms.pacman

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I don't want to be a negative Nancy, but, if this Namco assist trophy theory is correct, then wouldn't that also open up the possibility of Pac-Man being one of the assist characters? After the Galaga ships, it's not too difficult to imagine classic arcade Pac-Man floating around the screen and chomping at the players...

I'm in the same boat with this train of thought. We haven't seen any Mega Man or Sonic items. My guess is that this Namco-character-summoning S-Flag item is being used to give Namco representation without adding a character.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I don't want to be a negative Nancy, but, if this Namco assist trophy theory is correct, then wouldn't that also open up the possibility of Pac-Man being one of the assist characters? After the Galaga ships, it's not too difficult to imagine classic arcade Pac-Man floating around the screen and chomping at the players...

nope, there isn't even a remote possibility of Pac-Man being an Assist Trophy,... If NAMCO IPs are be obtained for the game, they wouldn't make such a huge deal for get Pac-Man license just being a Assist Trophy; So, with those Items from minor classic NAMCO games that, often are associated with Pac-Man in his games, is guarantee that he's playable. =)

 

[YeppersPeppers]

we have already talked about and dussmissed this theory because of the great amount of disrespect it would have on pacman, THE MASCOT of namco. leave assist trophy status for ms.pacman

I understand that, and I really hope you're right, but...I dunno, man. For some reason, I've got this feeling of dread in my stomach...

 

[Nu~]

I'm in the same boat with this train of thought. We haven't seen any Mega Man or Sonic items. My guess is that this Namco-character-summoning S-Flag item is being used to give Namco representation without adding a character.

umm, elec man?

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I understand that, and I really hope you're right, but...I dunno, man. For some reason, I've got this feeling of dread in my stomach...

Don't worry, those items are like Pseudo-Palutena Trophy, the Kremlings in the game, or the Boxing Ring stage... all in the same level. We just need to wait until his big reveal! =)

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

umm, elec man?

Elec Man is an Assist Trophy summon. Sonic and Metal Gear Assist Trophy summons existed in Brawl. This is nothing new. The Assist Trophy itself is still a Smash-original item. The S-Flag is the first item to hail solely from a third-party company/series (unless you count the Rare-designed Motion Sensor Bomb/Cloaking Device in Melee). Elec Man isn't really comparable to the S-Flag in that way. They're in two separate categories.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Just remember, there is nothing that shoots down the idea of Pac-Man.

In fact, the Galaga and Rally X items support the inclusion. Especially in the case of Galaga, which is constantly referenced in Pac-Man games.

 

[Nu~]

It seems like some of you guys want to think negatively. Well I won't be participating in any pessimistic behavoirs. Negative enery thrown out, will only bring negative energy back...

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Rally-X is his exclusive item on Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, if I recall correctly, and his special kart, the Soul Varoon, is based on Xevious; ... Without count the Galaga's and Galaxian's sprites everywhere in his games. Mappy and Dig-Dug too... Pac is like the one who carries the legacy from all the NAMCO classic games in the modernity! =) ... S-Flag is his Assist/Item, for sure. (I'm guessing that S-Flag is an item, and Galaga an AT)

It seems like some of you guys want to think negatively. Well I won't be participating in any pessimistic behavoirs. Negative enery thrown out, will only bring negative energy back...

Yep, I'm with you,... for sure, I don't see anything that can be bad for my expectations for now; Pac is already confirmed, .. we just need to see his big smile in Smash Arena! 8D

 

[Bauske]

I'm in the same boat with this train of thought. We haven't seen any Mega Man or Sonic items. My guess is that this Namco-character-summoning S-Flag item is being used to give Namco representation without adding a character.

Yes, but there ARE Sonic and Mega Man assist trophies. And stages. So they technically got items. Namco is getting their own item, of sorts. And we really don't know what it does yet. We'll have to see. Regardless, I don't think this hurts Pac-Man's chances at all. I think it strengthens them all the more.

Elec Man is an Assist Trophy summon. Sonic and Metal Gear Assist Trophy summons existed in Brawl. This is nothing new. The Assist Trophy itself is still a Smash-original item. The S-Flag is the first item to hail solely from a third-party company/series (unless you count the Rare-designed Motion Sensor Bomb/Cloaking Device in Melee). Elec Man isn't really comparable to the S-Flag in that way. They're in two separate categories.

But these companies themselves never were integral to the development process. They had their characters, stages, and music in the game, but they didn't help develop the game. Namco is actually doing that this time, so maybe they're getting some special treatment for it.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Yes, but there ARE Sonic and Mega Man assist trophies. And stages. So they technically got items. Namco is getting their own item, of sorts. And we really don't know what it does yet. We'll have to see. Regardless, I don't think this hurts Pac-Man's chances at all. I think it strengthens them all the more.



But these companies themselves never were integral to the development process. They had their characters, stages, and music in the game, but they didn't help develop the game. Namco is actually doing that this time, so maybe they're getting some special treatment for it.

I agree and if i remember right didin't snake have a AT in brawl?. i cant see them making Pac-Man as an AT hes to iconic to be a AT.

 

[Nu~]

Remember the pattern, only a 3rd party's mascot makes it in to represent the company as a whole. Sakurai himself even said, "I won't just let anyone into smash"

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Yes, but there ARE Sonic and Mega Man assist trophies. And stages. So they technically got items. Namco is getting their own item, of sorts. And we really don't know what it does yet. We'll have to see. Regardless, I don't think this hurts Pac-Man's chances at all. I think it strengthens them all the more.

Like I said, you're comparing apples and oranges. There's precedent for third-parties having stages and ATs. Not individual items. This is something new. I'm not saying it's a bad thing for Pac-Man's chances (it's actually quite good), but it just doesn't auto-confirm him in my eyes since this is an entirely new phenomenon. If we had seen Ms. Pac-Man pop out of an Assist Trophy, then maybe I'd consider him instantly confirmed. But classic Namco games being referenced, as much as it helps Pac-Man, doesn't confirm him any more than Kremlings confirm K. Rool. Without a Mega Man or Sonic item to compare the S-Flag/Galaga ships to, we're left guessing as to what extent Namco's representation is going to be.

But these companies themselves never were integral to the development process. They had their characters, stages, and music in the game, but they didn't help develop the game. Namco is actually doing that this time, so maybe they're getting some special treatment for it.

Didn't Sakurai specifically state that Namco wouldn't get special treatment just because they're working on the game? I was under the assumption that Pac-Man would be getting into the game on his own merits, in addition to Namco's involvement. Not because they're entitled to content because they're working on the game. I'd assume it'd be fair to predict that all third-parties will be given roughly equal representation, as in Brawl (which gave them each one character, one stage, one AT, music, trophies, stickers, etc). In Namco's case, having what appears to be their own version of the AT, without a Sega or Capcom equivalent, seems like special treatment, especially if they get a character on top of that. Now of course, there may very well be Sonic and Mega Man items in the game as well, which would make me a whole lot less suspicious. But at the moment, based on what we know, I can't bring myself to see Pac-Man as a lock. His chances have been boosted simply because we know that Namco is getting content in the game, but this doesn't confirm him by any means, much as I wish it would.

Not trying to be pessimistic. Just realistic. Some of us are convinced. Some aren't. What we should all be happy about, though, is that Pac-Man is at least going to show up for sure now, in some form.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Heres some info about the Special Flag,And Galaga ships.

Rally-X (ラリーX Rarī-Ekkusu?) is a maze & driving arcade game, that was released by Namco in 1980 and licensed to Midway Games for US manufacture and distribution. It runs on Namco Pac-Man hardware, and was the first game from the company to feature "Special Flags", which would become a recurring object in later games (along with the Galaxian flagship and their signature character Pac-Man; the latter also made his arcade debut in 1980).

It was the first game to feature a "bonus round", and the first of only three Namco games of its time period whose score display did not roll over at 1,000,000. The object is for the player car to "capture" all of the flags scattered around the field before the red cars catch it. It also features an early example of a radar, to show the cars' and flags' locations on the map.

Galaga (ギャラガ Gyaraga?) is a fixed shooter arcade game developed and published by Namco in Japan and published by Midway in North America in 1981. It is the sequel to Galaxian, released in 1979. The gameplay of Galaga puts the player in control of a space ship which is situated at the bottom of the screen. At the beginning of each stage, the area is empty, but over time, enemy aliens will arrive in formation, and once all of the enemies arrive on screen, they will come down at the player's ship in formations of one or more and may either shoot it or collide with it. During the entire stage, the player may fire upon the enemies, and once all enemies are vanquished, the player will proceed to the next stage.

Galaga has proven very successful. The arcade version of it has been ported to many consoles, and it has had several sequels.

 

[Bauske]

Like I said, you're comparing apples and oranges. There's precedent for third-parties having stages and ATs. Not individual items. This is something new. I'm not saying it's a bad thing for Pac-Man's chances (it's actually quite good), but it just doesn't auto-confirm him in my eyes since this is an entirely new phenomenon. If we had seen Ms. Pac-Man pop out of an Assist Trophy, then maybe I'd consider him instantly confirmed. But classic Namco games being referenced, as much as it helps Pac-Man, doesn't confirm him any more than Kremlings confirm K. Rool. Without a Mega Man or Sonic item to compare the S-Flag/Galaga ships to, we're left guessing as to what extent Namco's representation is going to be.

Didn't Sakurai specifically state that Namco wouldn't get special treatment just because they're working on the game? I was under the assumption that Pac-Man would be getting into the game on his own merits, in addition to Namco's involvement. Not because they're entitled to content because they're working on the game. I'd assume it'd be fair to predict that all third-parties will be given roughly equal representation, as in Brawl (which gave them each one character, one stage, one AT, music, trophies, stickers, etc). In Namco's case, having what appears to be their own version of the AT, without a Sega or Capcom equivalent, seems like special treatment, especially if they get a character on top of that. Now of course, there may very well be Sonic and Mega Man items in the game as well, which would make me a whole lot less suspicious. But at the moment, based on what we know, I can't bring myself to see Pac-Man as a lock. His chances have been boosted simply because we know that Namco is getting content in the game, but this doesn't confirm him by any means, much as I wish it would.

Not trying to be pessimistic. Just realistic. Some of us are convinced. Some aren't. What we should all be happy about, though, is that Pac-Man is at least going to show up for sure now, in some form.

First off, I'd actually be more scared if I saw a Ms. Pac-Man sprite pop out of one of those, since I'm almost expecting her to be an alt costume for Pac-Man. Could be wrong, but it does make sense since a few of the characters seem to be getting alts. I actually hope all characters get alternate costumes. It'd be a really cool feature. Plus, if Ms. Pac-Man popped out, I think there would be a lot more freaking out right now.

Secondly, Sakurai said Namco wouldn't be getting special consideration for a character. He said nothing about items. We've never had a Smash game co-developed by a huge company like this before, so I believe it's different than Sonic or MegaMan's inclusion. I still believe Pac-Man will be getting in the game, and he'll get a stage, music, and an assist trophy too. These Namco items are something separate, which is probably why Nintendo put them in the press photos to begin with. They represent Namco, but they don't represent Pac-Man.

That said, I still believe Pac-Man is going to be in. These items, to me, say that Namco is getting content in the game. It's already there, and we can already see it. If they're getting content in the game, it speaks to me that they're going to have a character, too, and there's only one character it could be.

And don't worry, I understand you trying to be realistic and helping us not get our hopes up. I'm still gonna believe though, because this is a dream come true for me and I want to see it happen.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

the thing is, NAMCO will make Pacman playable, or, we won't get Pac-Man in any other form; And this thing should have been assimilated a quite while; Pac-Man is a big IP, with a big financial value on the market, a simple 8-Bit sprite in a game like Smash wouldn't be worth for none of parts.

So, I'm not blind, those items are the ticket for Pacster in Smash, and no more.

 

[Arcadenik]

Guys, we will find out for sure at E3 2014... remember that SSB4 3DS is coming out in Summer 2014 so it will come out on June, July, or August this year... naturally, we are going to get something to hype for SSB4 at E3 2014.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Guys, we will find out for sure at E3 2014... remember that SSB4 3DS is coming out in Summer 2014 so it will come out on June, July, or August this year... naturally, we are going to get something to hype for SSB4 at E3 2014.

Or next month.. PacMans anniversary is may 22 .


Or june E3 starts JUNE 10-12, 2014.

 

[Arcadenik]

Or next month.. PacMans anniversary is may 22 .

I can see it now... come May 22, 2014...

Pic of the day. What are those? I don't remember seeing them in Nintendo games...

*pictures of Special Flag and Galaga*

 

[SomewhatMystia]

S-Flag is his Assist/Item, for sure. (I'm guessing that S-Flag is an item, and Galaga an AT)

Out of curiosity, if S-Flag isn't the Namco Assist Trophy variant, then do you have any guesses as to what it'd do?

 

[Weeginji]

If I'm not mistaken, the Balloon Fight stage has wraparound edges, right?

I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a pretty odd thing for Sakurai to decide to bother putting in the game, especially considering the normal rules of Smash. The only reason I'd see him doing it would be if he was also implementing a highly iconic stage from a game that had wraparound edges as one if it's key traits.

Just sayin'.

 

[Bauske]

If I'm not mistaken, the Ballon Fight stage has wraparound edges, right? I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a pretty odd thing for Sakurai to decide to bother putting in the game, especially considering the normal rules of Smash. The only reason I'd see him doing it would be if he was also implementing a highly iconic stage from a game that had wraparound edges as one if it's key traits.

Just sayin'.

I noticed this too, and wondered why more people hadn't been talking about it, but I didn't really put it together with anything Pac-Man related. Still, would definitely work in a Pac-Man themed stage with side tunnels. :D

Out of curiosity, if S-Flag isn't the Namco Assist Trophy variant, then do you have any guesses as to what it'd do?

This is something else I've thought of. If it's not a Namco-themed assist trophy, then it's just an item by itself. Perhaps it gives you a significant power boost for a short while, or let's you put out puffs of smoke like in the Rally X game that stun or slow down opponents, or perhaps you pick it up and it simply calls forth the Galaga aliens. If I had to pick a way, I'd say the latter of those options. Namco getting their own assist trophies seems a bit much.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ahhh...

He is right... The Balloon Fight stage does have wraparound edges just like the NES game... and the Pac-Man arcade does have wraparound edges.... that would be perfect for the Pac-Man stage.... but there's one problem.... how do characters get KO'd at the Pac-Man stage? At least the Balloon Fight stage had the water and the sky (overhead blast line)...

Also, I wonder if this means the Mario Bros. stage is confirmed?

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

If I'm not mistaken, the Balloon Fight stage has wraparound edges, right?

I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a pretty odd thing for Sakurai to decide to bother putting in the game, especially considering the normal rules of Smash. The only reason I'd see him doing it would be if he was also implementing a highly iconic stage from a game that had wraparound edges as one if it's key traits..

He already did. It's the Balloon Fight stage. Balloon Fight isn't as popular as Pac-Man, but one of the game's key features is the wrap-around edges. Regardless of the chances of there being a Pac-Man stage, a Balloon Fight stage was always very likely to feature wrap-around edges. I don't think it means anything for Pac-Man, necessarily.

That being said, I could see us getting a maze stage in the Wii U version (Balloon Fight is 3DS) to compensate, so that both versions of the game have wrap-around stages.