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Yigguth said:
You apologized for double posting, but then went ahead and did it again? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
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where did u see me double post again i only double posted ounce.

and yea i was going to tell u about the super armor thing but i got to sleepy last night
 
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If an opponent edgehogs, WAIT. Since you don't home in, wait until you get to a 45 degree angle under the ledge, where your Up B normally flies anyway. If you wait, your opponent will go out of invincibility frames. Once you get into position, use your Up B. If you're close enough, you sometimes still might grab the ledge (I really need to test this on Monday), and at the very least, you'll often knock your opponent off with enough momentum to die before you.
 
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nyhustler208 said:
can somebody delete 1 of my post plz i doubled posted by mistake im postin 4rm my wii
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then dont crouch and c-stick at the same time. just c-stick and the dsmash will work properly
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Here is where you double posted again after you double posted the first time. What hes saying is, why did you make a post asking people to delete one of your other posts then you go ahead and double post. Just because the two posts dont say the same thing doesnt mean its still not a double post, there's an edit button so you can add more info if you want to add more and your post is still the most recent one.
 
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Proven said:
If an opponent edgehogs, WAIT. Since you don't home in, wait until you get to a 45 degree angle under the ledge, where your Up B normally flies anyway. If you wait, your opponent will go out of invincibility frames. Once you get into position, use your Up B. If you're close enough, you sometimes still might grab the ledge (I really need to test this on Monday), and at the very least, you'll often knock your opponent off with enough momentum to die before you.
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Proven, I would really like to see you prove this one. You had that pun coming, lol. Can't wait to see the results! If this works, it'll be pretty groundbreaking for us P&O mainers.
 
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Since everyone else is saying that it doesn't work, I'm more and more inclined to think I'm wrong. At least I got that kill the other day...
 
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IllidR said:
Isn't it not so much the end result but the journey to get there that matters?
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Don't go all philosophical on us now. :p But in all seriousness, suspense adds to the match quality and so, in my humble opinion, it'd be an unwanted spoiler to group matches by Olimar's performance.

nyhustler208 said:
in video 2 at 2:50 while u were throwing pikmin and wolf did his saving attack he kicked the pikmin causing his Ub to stop and fall down.
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Indeed a nice Olimar.

O.O Didn't notice that. Hm...well one thing's for sure: can't use yellows for that purpose. Arc ftw.

TOMATO_SOUP said:
wtf down b gives u superarmor? omg y didnt ne1 tell me :*(
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Why didn't you tell ANYBODY? That only serves to make his pimp whistle that much better.

nyhustler208 said:
Here is some nice olimar vs kirby vids:)
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Pyr0...the Melee Falco player? Haha, yeah I'm sure he's got a good head start on all of us.


Hm...so apparently I missed quoting the 'perfect45' recovery thingy...but does that really work? Doubtful, but it's an interesting suggestion to throw around nonetheless. By any chance, is it possible to grab the underside of a stage or a wall with the pikmin chain? Lol, Spear Pillar for Olimar counterpick stage!

Has anyone tested the other tether recoveries to see if they suffer a similar "problem"?
 
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I just notice something in the video that Egruntz posted. at about 3:59 then olimar does 2 forward smashes. The first one he uses a red pikmen and misses, but the second time he throws a blue pikman while using his forward smash. This looks like it should make conntact, but Lucas also throws out an attack. Instead of the 2 attacks clinking Lucases plows straight through. This has led me to a conclusion: pikmen can only be hurt when they are either away from Olimar, or if they are being used in an attack. This means that Olimar has amazingly low priority; since if both you and your opponent throw out an attack at the same time Olimar's pikmen will be hit and the opponent's attack will still hit you.

Edit1: it seems that I was wrong to assume this since in the video of Olimar vs. Kirby on the stage Yoshi's Island (I think) at 3:28 Kirby does an Up-air and Olimar uses his Forward-air which of course involves a pikmen and both moves clank together, or are canceled I should say. this leads me to think that the pikmen are only vonerable when being used in attacks that seperate them from Olimar i.e. forward smash, down smash, and up smash.
 
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Oceanborn said:
I'm 95% sure all the other tethers work that way, the only drawback is that we don't always have 6 Pikmin at our disposal when we're falling off the stage.
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That's a reasonable percentage...

I'm not sure I understand, though. Why should it matter how many pikmin you have while trying to recover if the tether is a crap-shoot anyway?
 
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That's a reasonable percentage...

I'm not sure I understand, though. Why should it matter how many pikmin you have while trying to recover if the tether is a crap-shoot anyway?
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It doesn't, we just fall to our deaths if we're off and we need a tether-recovery but they're guarding.
 
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Wiseguy said:
This thread rocks. All the Olimar vids I could ever want to drool over in one convenient place.

That Rob vs. Olimar vid is mindblowing.
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yea thank the great IlldR for this thread he is doing an exellent job updating this thread everyday :)
 
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more videos to come , :) do you guys want to see a specific match up ? ( there is a tourny at my house on friday :)


oh yeah, and i'm going to use a capture card this time >_>
 
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Fiz said:
more videos to come , :) do you guys want to see a specific match up ? ( there is a tourny at my house on friday :)


oh yeah, and i'm going to use a capture card this time >_>
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i would like to see a olimar vs sonic, olimar vs pit, olimar vs marth, olimar vs MK

i choose these four characters b/c from the topics, these are the 4 characters people think olimar will have trouble with

thx for helping us olimar mainers out fiz its greatly appreciated

and how much fun is olimar i cant wait to play this game i have to wait 4 more weeks :(

and is there any tips/advice u would like to give by any chance that would help to
 
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wow someone already beat me to it. heh I haven't played Falco in melee for a while, Ive been using Mario, DK, and Peach mainly(in melee)...the competive scene got really lame IMO so I really enjoy Brawl so far. I don't think too much passes over to Brawl because it was so focused on techniques instead of wits. Olimar has a lot to work with and he is definitely my favorite. I saw someone mention Spear Pillar, I would also like to say this is my favorite stage...and I absolutely hate Skyworld.

there's one more vid of me vs Lucas that I didn't see put up here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWU8UHyjPiM

*Edit* oh actually its on the first post
 
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Pyrogamer said:
wow someone already beat me to it. heh I haven't played Falco in melee for a while, Ive been using Mario, DK, and Peach mainly(in melee)...the competive scene got really lame IMO so I really enjoy Brawl so far. I don't think too much passes over to Brawl because it was so focused on techniques instead of wits. Olimar has a lot to work with and he is definitely my favorite. I saw someone mention Spear Pillar, I would also like to say this is my favorite stage...and I absolutely hate Skyworld.

there's one more vid of me vs Lucas that I didn't see put up here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWU8UHyjPiM

*Edit* oh actually its on the first post
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thats nice i hope to play you in brawl us olimar users would show the world how good olimar is, and we should get better 2gether, good thing online enables us to do that :)

btw ur the best olimar ive seen next is the guy on the 1st page playing rob you might wanna check his vids out :)

and can you post vids of the characters i mentioned above that would help a lot
 
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Pyrogamer said:
I don't think too much passes over to Brawl because it was so focused on techniques instead of wits.

I saw someone mention Spear Pillar, I would also like to say this is my favorite stage...
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Lol...I hate tech-skill whores...that's exactly why I play Samus.

I think it was me that said Spear Pillar would make a good Olimar counterpick stage a'cause of the double-edge...give your tether a fair chance, ya' know?

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i would like to see a olimar vs sonic, olimar vs pit, olimar vs marth, olimar vs MK
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Pit, really? Heard about the other three, but not him. =/

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do you guys want to see a specific match up ?
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Good stuff with 'dem Brawl tournies, eh? You don't have to force it, but if anyone happens to play Samus at the tournament, could you please upload the corresponding vid?

Wiseguy said:
This thread rocks.
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I know...I've been threatening to joygasm at the mear mention of this thread.
 
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Commander Blitzkrieg said:
The Pikmin Chain apparently doesn't have a lot of kill power offensively.
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it didnt have alot of kill power b/c a white pikmin was at the back so it didnt KO to good if there was another pikmin in the back it probably would of killed the samus

and here are some very good vids, all of the vids are pretty good olimar players


Andrew (Ike) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-rliA5SM8 (match 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNsKSxUt430&feature=related (match 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nx1CV3iqY8&feature=related (match 3)

Andrew (Captain Falcon) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2A1J1boaiw

Andrew (Marth) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6swxyM_c38&feature=related (match 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v58Odtlv8Ww&NR=1 m (Match 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CLZNSR7IKE&feature=related (match 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWSJivoh0s (match 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MpSW-JEl0 (match 5)

in match 1 while he was vsing marth he saved himself with the tether recovery at 1:50 and he DI 3 times, it looks like if you have a long enough chain (4-6) you can save your self pretty easy with the chain if you just wait a while until the invincebility frames go away since olimars chain is so freakin long. also in match 1 at 2:40 he DI back onto the stage since he was close enough :). and while he was DI'ing it was slowing his falling speed down which is very good. and also as you can tell in match 2 he was using his recovery to fast which made him lose that match :(.

These vids kinda shows us that olimar is going to have lots of trouble against marth sadly, which i am going to h8t b/c my friend mains marth :(. but match 3 gives me lots of hope that with strategy anything is possible. at match 3 look at the good edgeguarding at :30 and 1:40 that the olimar did, its crazy. and it also looks like the red pikmin is a good edge spiker b/c all the times he killed the marth at the edge was with a red pikmin, i can see this being useful in the near future.

and is it just me or everytime i watch a new vid i learn something new lol
 
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RHTP said:
at 2:40 I used B-Up.
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o u did, since u had no pikmin it looked like u DI'ed

very nice olimar btw
and can you tell us how hard marth is to play againt plz and what did you notice while you were playing a marth?
 
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nyhustler208 said:
it didnt have alot of kill power b/c a white pikmin was at the back so it didnt KO to good if there was another pikmin in the back it probably would of killed the samus

and here are some very good vids, all of the vids are pretty good olimar players


Andrew (Ike) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-rliA5SM8 (match 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNsKSxUt430&feature=related (match 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nx1CV3iqY8&feature=related (match 3)

Andrew (Captain Falcon) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2A1J1boaiw

Andrew (Marth) vs. Ryan (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6swxyM_c38&feature=related (match 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v58Odtlv8Ww&NR=1 m (Match 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CLZNSR7IKE&feature=related (match 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWSJivoh0s (match 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MpSW-JEl0 (match 5)

in match 1 while he was vsing marth he saved himself with the tether recovery at 1:50 and he DI 3 times, it looks like if you have a long enough chain (4-6) you can save your self pretty easy with the chain if you just wait a while until the invincebility frames go away since olimars chain is so freakin long. also in match 1 at 2:40 he DI back onto the stage since he was close enough :). and while he was DI'ing it was slowing his falling speed down which is very good. and also as you can tell in match 2 he was using his recovery to fast which made him lose that match :(.

These vids kinda shows us that olimar is going to have lots of trouble against marth sadly, which i am going to h8t b/c my friend mains marth :(. but match 3 gives me lots of hope that with strategy anything is possible. at match 3 look at the good edgeguarding at :30 and 1:40 that the olimar did, its crazy. and it also looks like the red pikmin is a good edge spiker b/c all the times he killed the marth at the edge was with a red pikmin, i can see this being useful in the near future.

and is it just me or everytime i watch a new vid i learn something new lol
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Was it just me or was he able to get back on the ledge with a yellow Pikmin when Marth was edgegaurding at 1:50-1:55 (match 1)? It clearly had the shocking effect that pushed Marth back up and our P&O being able to grab the edge.

Maybe all hope is not lost for recovery?

EDIT: Okay I can't be wrong. I watched it 10 times consecutively. P&O WAS able to steal the edge from the (intentional) edgehogger (who was clearly abusing the knowledge, though it's fair). What I want to know now - before I get my hopes up - is if the effect is random, and if it isn't random, can other Pikmin do it too?

EDIT: Okay upon closer inspection it seems as if Marth may have let go of the ledge for literally a nanosecond? You guys decide. I really am hoping that he was able to steal the edge though... but I got to be realistic.
 
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Oceanborn said:
Was it just me or was he able to get back on the ledge with a yellow Pikmin when Marth was edgegaurding at 1:50-1:55 (match 1)? It clearly had the shocking effect that pushed Marth back up and our P&O being able to grab the edge.

Maybe all hope is not lost for recovery?

EDIT: Okay I can't be wrong. I watched it 10 times consecutively. P&O WAS able to steal the edge from the (intentional) edgehogger (who was clearly abusing the knowledge, though it's fair). What I want to know now - before I get my hopes up - is if the effect is random, and if it isn't random, can other Pikmin do it too?
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no its not just u read what i posted

i think that if we just time our up-b right and do it right after the invince frames us olimar users will be OK as long as we have 5-6 pikmin

and the last pikmin will do there effect when u do olimars up i think
 
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nyhustler208 said:
no its not just u read what i posted

i think that if we just time our up-b right and do it right after the invince frames us olimar users will be OK as long as we have 5-6 pikmin

and the last pikmin will do there effect when u do olimars up i think
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Yeah I need to start reading more carefully. But yeah I hope you're right, that we are able to do that. We need more people who would do in-depth research on this matter, so we don't just wing it everytime.

EDIT: I think one of the best strategies for P&O would just be to stay away from edges. That Ryan person playing him was playing P&O like a character that would do just fine fighting by edges, but I don't think P&O should be doing that at all. He loeses Pikmin faster and then there's the recovery issue.
 
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Oceanborn said:
Was it just me or was he able to get back on the ledge with a yellow Pikmin when Marth was edgegaurding at 1:50-1:55 (match 1)? It clearly had the shocking effect that pushed Marth back up and our P&O being able to grab the edge.

Maybe all hope is not lost for recovery?

EDIT: Okay I can't be wrong. I watched it 10 times consecutively. P&O WAS able to steal the edge from the (intentional) edgehogger (who was clearly abusing the knowledge, though it's fair). What I want to know now - before I get my hopes up - is if the effect is random, and if it isn't random, can other Pikmin do it too?

EDIT: Okay upon closer inspection it seems as if Marth may have let go of the ledge for literally a nanosecond? You guys decide. I really am hoping that he was able to steal the edge though... but I got to be realistic.
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I see MArth letting go of the ledge too, unfortunately.
 
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Well as much as I love the huge influx of videos, it is way too much for me to watch at the moment. I'm afraid I'll have to get back to them later BUT they are all up on the main page. Time for this guy to get catch some sleep.
 
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Ok, it's starting to become painful watching that Ryan guy play. He doesn't seem to be learning anything at all, while the Marth player seems to just get better and better at his "vs. Olimar" strategy, and it's terrible.

It amazes me he played so well against that Captain Falcon player and then lets himself get ***** regularly by Marth. Hardly any strategy, and let's himself lose too many pikmin without stopping to replace them.

As for the vid where he gets around Marth's edgehog, I watched that video a couple times and deem it that the Marth player let go for a split second. I still haven't been able to Brawl this week for some reason, but I'm guessing that's the only way to get back on; waiting for the other guy to slip up.

Edit: A much better Olimar player. He has other matches, but I'll look for them later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7xX-DZbIE (match 1 vs. ZSS)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro00r5ddndM (match 2 vs. Sheik)
 
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