Olimar Video Advice Thread! Up'n'runnin'!

[DtJ Hilt]

Alright guys, let's not start a tier list discussion in here unless there's actual interest in starting an Olimar Board Tier List. Just randomly saying "I think ____ is better than ____" is an easy way to start flame wars and arguments. But if there's an actual tier list put together by a few respectable Olimars, and the community can handle it, it'll be alright.

I probably didn't really need to say this, I just wanted to make sure I did in case things got out of hand. If it leads to that, I'll have to hand out infractions to both those flaming, and those that caused it.

So with that, no more tier discussion in this thread (toward skill), unless it's the discussion of started a separate thread for it.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I really think its a bad idea anyway.

 

[Cook]

Yeah, tier lists just=butthurt people.

I know! How about everyone who is arguing about who should be the most regarded gives me some feedback on my video and proves just how good of advice they can give! Also, I'll go ahead and finish off my two video limit with this little gem of embarrassment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Dwyw-HNRs (gotta love the commentary)
Why would I let this happen???

 

[Weruop]

ok well some of u cant handle a tier list of olimars who give the best advice for some reason so ill just have it as a list of trusted olimars.
rather than being on every1s case a little, but being HARD on the cases of ppl in the top tier advice giving region, im going to be on EVERY1S case hard who i put in the big list of trusted olimars

im getting a lot better of an idea of how to run this i think so thanks for ur input every1

edit: id like to know how u guys feel about me starting with a big list of ppl, and as every1 starts giving advice in the first 2 or 3 weeks, i slowly start dividing it into tiers depending on whos putting the most effort into this??

 

[DtJ Hilt]

To Cook:

First of all, <3 Metal Music Man
His commentating was too good lol

Okay one thing i noticed is that you do something very common that's easily punishable. When you lost your first stock, and Link was 150%+, you got desperate for kills and your approaches were really obvious, in fear of him getting a huge percentage lead before you were able to kill him again. This led to him getting a lot larger of a lead.

Also you should focus a lot more on where your opponent is going to be, rather than where they are (cliché'd, i know). Legan did a lot of rolling around you and it got predictable. Charged Dsmashes work really well at punishing that. Also, when he was getting off of the ledge, or fighting near the ledge he was really predictable in where he landed, to the point of a grab would easily be able to catch him (in one instance you had a blue up that you could've gotten the kill with). You also don't use Nair much, from what I've seen. Or at least not when the option is best. He was open for one quite a few times.

 

[Weruop]

ok i watched the video once but was too distracted by all the hillarious commentary lmao. ima watch it again and then edit this post haha

first off u need t play MUCH more defensive in this matchup. legan only got off the edge with ( ledgehop sometimes ) and by pressing the jump button which is EASILY countered with f smash. when u were too far away to f smash his getting off of the edge with jump(not ledgehop) a short hop upb would have killed him many times.
save your back throws for BLUE PIKMIN KILLS only. same with f throw.

i munst state again, be much more defensive in this matchup. u got desperate ( to the point where u werent watching ur line, and tried to kill legan with a failed white up smash at super high damage ) and were playing so offensive that u were RUNNING INTO EVERYTHING. camp way more in this matchup but do it smart.

notes i have when watching the vid are
0:17 i woulda short hopped and thrown the purple pikmin.
at o:36 when u up tilted and sent him diagnolly, i woulda went for a spaced short hopped upb.when a link dairs ur shiueld, run up and grab. d smash wont hit some or most of the time cuz the dair pushes u away with its force.
at 1:46 id have double upaired to get the purple to the front and give u more options
when someone is edgeguarding u off stage ( 1:50) and u upb, press A/B right afterward to cling to the ledge and get ur invincibility frames asap.
at 4:02 i wouldnt have whistled the bomb at all, cuz u didnt do anything afterward that required that whistle. us houlda just air dodged to save urself the damage.

the main thing is to camp more and play more defensively, but quit falling for dumb projectile stuff

thats all i got for ya ^^

oh also, ur ****ing head is in the way again!

 

[RichBrown]

I like this idea. I've been doing a lot of the same **** for a while and I wanna see how the rest of you play. I'm going to 2 big tournaments this weekend, mayyybe I can get some replays.

As for critiquing, I'll get to that later @--: )

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Heres a match, my other matches wont be as choppy dont worry, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtongeeVzgM

 

[Weruop]

get a vid with better quality. preferably versus a better player too lol

 

[Weruop]

I made new signature woohoo i like it lol pinkboots olimar represent

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5795/smashboardssig.png

 

[JJ1300]

woooo this thread looks like itll have some good results :D ill try to post some vids of me asap lol

P.S. - I know I dont have vids up right now but would u guys mind if you guys could offer some tl advice and since u dont have any vids of me with tls yet i would appreciate some general advice....mostly on approaching and long range/short range tactics thanks in advance! :D

 

[Fino]

I got in a MM with mikehaze when I was tired out of my mind. I'll try to get that up soon...


~Fino

 

[Legan]

ok i watched the video once but was too distracted by all the hillarious commentary lmao. ima watch it again and then edit this post haha

first off u need t play MUCH more defensive in this matchup. legan only got off the edge with ( ledgehop sometimes ) and by pressing the jump button which is EASILY countered with f smash. when u were too far away to f smash his getting off of the edge with jump(not ledgehop) a short hop upb would have killed him many times.
save your back throws for BLUE PIKMIN KILLS only. same with f throw.

i munst state again, be much more defensive in this matchup. u got desperate ( to the point where u werent watching ur line, and tried to kill legan with a failed white up smash at super high damage ) and were playing so offensive that u were RUNNING INTO EVERYTHING. camp way more in this matchup but do it smart.

notes i have when watching the vid are
0:17 i woulda short hopped and thrown the purple pikmin.
at o:36 when u up tilted and sent him diagnolly, i woulda went for a spaced short hopped upb.when a link dairs ur shiueld, run up and grab. d smash wont hit some or most of the time cuz the dair pushes u away with its force.
at 1:46 id have double upaired to get the purple to the front and give u more options
when someone is edgeguarding u off stage ( 1:50) and u upb, press A/B right afterward to cling to the ledge and get ur invincibility frames asap.
at 4:02 i wouldnt have whistled the bomb at all, cuz u didnt do anything afterward that required that whistle. us houlda just air dodged to save urself the damage.

the main thing is to camp more and play more defensively, but quit falling for dumb projectile stuff

thats all i got for ya ^^

oh also, ur ****ing head is in the way again!

Dumb projectile stuff? wow what a jerk. Thats beautiful projectile setups son.

 

[Weruop]

Dumb projectile stuff? wow what a jerk. Thats beautiful projectile setups son.

lol xD



10char

 

[Weruop]

woooo this thread looks like itll have some good results :D ill try to post some vids of me asap lol

P.S. - I know I dont have vids up right now but would u guys mind if you guys could offer some tl advice and since u dont have any vids of me with tls yet i would appreciate some general advice....mostly on approaching and long range/short range tactics thanks in advance! :D

i dont know about fighting TLs online but i know that offline, u need to get really good at predicting whats coming next. catch onto patterns and be sure to save ur b and f throw kills for blue pikmin.at close range u have to play really defensive and not try to go to stuff to early cuz ull get hit with zairs and nairs after zairs and retreating arrow shots etc.
try NOT to approach TL. throwing pikmin narrows his long range options to only a few bombs, but mostly arrows and boomerang. when they notice bombs arent working cuz pikmin are blowing them up in his face, and u outcamp his boomerang and arrows, they usually start trying to approach ( esp. with zair ). just play really smart .
watch weruop vs chip on youtube. its a bit outdated but it should help you a lot

 

[Noa.]

save your back throws for BLUE PIKMIN KILLS only. same with f throw.

We can kill with f throw? At what percent?

 

[*_Echo_*]

^ yea with a blue pikmin and when we are near the edge. idk the exact % >_>

i think the first post should have a few good advise givers (not a "tier list") and a few ppl who can help with getting vids up, and i think this thread will help a ton
i know i need to get some vids up for cirque. i got 2 stocked bad by my friend fogos DDD and melee1s ICs, they were both MM >_>

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Back and Forward throws kill around the same percents, though back kills about 10% earlier. I usually save at least one of them, undiminished, for kills.

 

[Weruop]

^ yea with a blue pikmin and when we are near the edge. idk the exact % >_>

i think the first post should have a few good advise givers (not a "tier list") and a few ppl who can help with getting vids up, and i think this thread will help a ton
i know i need to get some vids up for cirque. i got 2 stocked bad by my friend fogos DDD and melee1s ICs, they were both MM >_>

good ideas echo :D

 

[BOB SAGET!]

some post more vids to critique.

 

[JJ1300]

who here is able to receive replays so they can upload them???? perhaps a capture card anyone?

 

[Sky Pirate]

Quick question, would requests for criticism on doubles matches belong here or elsewhere?
I would think that they belong in the doubles thread more than they would here (it seems like it might muddle the topic a bit).
I turn into a sack of... something whenever I get into a doubles match and have no idea why.

 

[Noa.]

I think they would go here. The doubles thread was to discuss strategies and tactics of doubles play.

If you want any video critiqued, you should post it here.

 

[Benny The Jet Rodriguez]

in response to some posts earlier in the topic

I still play brawl maybe once or twice a week online if I ever feel like it but I really don't like the game, and I especially get bored of playing olimar quickly. I like snake because I only have to trade hits with people to win, which is really easy

 

[Weruop]

JJJJJJJJJJJJ1300 i know coco frmo aib (-coco- ) said he could upload vids for u i know
we are still looking for olimar mains who can help upload though


and i guess u could post doubles videos but im not gunna force all the olimars to give information cuz some of us dont know too much about doubles. i heard upsmash works pretty well in doubles and is hard to avoid though lol

 

[Sky Pirate]

You can force Olimars to give information? 0_0

It would probably be useless to ask for doubles feedback anyway since there are so many subtleties with different teammates and playstyles.

EDIT: Draconoa takes me way too seriously. ^^;
I did imagine a torture scene when you said "force", though.

 

[Noa.]

Not force, but pester or encourage.

 

[Weruop]

lolol yes
pester..
... a lot >.> xD

 

[daisho]

If anybody needs they can send me a replay and i'll upload it (I use a digital camera but its not bad quality... here's a recent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTiqzzg5HBo)

Hopefully ill get some videos up later today of my olimar since i need lots of help

 

[daisho]

I have a few videos for critiquing. I really need help and want tot improve my olimar.

First two are against sheik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4CD-sujkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlG6Eza8hwM

Second two are against snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrliYmwWys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Pk8eD1wB4

 

[daisho]

Nobody is willing to critique me?

triple post ftw

 

[Weruop]

okay this coming monday im going to this thing really going with crituque and all

thanks a lot for ur help daisho. ill be sure to put u in the first post. check up here every few days or so to see if any olimars need help

ill crituqe ur vid b4 monday tho <3 ( later today when im more awake

 

[*_Echo_*]

I have a few videos for critiquing. I really need help and want tot improve my olimar.

First two are against sheik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4CD-sujkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlG6Eza8hwM

Second two are against snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrliYmwWys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Pk8eD1wB4

id say piviot grab more and pay attention to ur line better. other than that im not real sure

 

[Noa.]

Daisho, I'll critique your videos. I'll watch the Snake vids because I know that matchup better than Sheik.

Ok, first thing I noticed is that when you're pikmin tossing, you fullhop. Pikmin tossing is better done out of a shorthop since you don't leave yourself so open and it's easier to space with shorthops.

Sometimes during the match, you approached Snake while he was standing. You should never approach Snake while he's just standing. If you do you will get ftilted. Go for the grab while he's shielding or in lag.

When you're high above the stage, you move towards Snake. This is not good since Olimar is such a floaty character. You should be moving away from Snake to land safely.

Offstage you tried to use UpB with only two pikmin. If you have three or less pikmin, throw them all away before using UpB. Using UpB with no pikmin will give you more of a boost then when you have three or less pikmin.

In general you rolled a little too much. Rolling gets punished easily. Sometimes you used rolling for moving across the stage, but you should dash since it's faster.

It's very important in the Snake matchup to stay in range with your fsmash. Olimar is disadvantaged when he's within Snake's ftilt range. Keep him at bay with spaced fsmashes and grabs.

While recovering back onstage, use your whistle to protect you from aerials. It has super armor frames.

Again, while recovering, if your opponent is onstage and not on the ledge, go for the ledge. If you go for the stage while your opponent is there waiting for you, you will get knocked back off. It's important to realize when to go for the ledge and when to go for the stage.

While camping, it's important to recognize the time to stop throwing pikmin, and prepare for the approacher. At a certain range you should stop using pikmin toss and start using grab and fsmash. If you do this too late, the opponent will get into your zone.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4CD-sujkw

Ok, ill critique the first sheik match.

When u camp, especially against sheik who has those needles. Jump. When u toss PKMN jump or SH. U avoid the needles and u can actually hit her better because the PKMN get chucked farther. And u arent as vulnerable because if u jump it removes the after lag on the ground. Though u shouldnt ALWAYS jump, u should.

Ive fought good shieks and i tell u, u gotta space better. Stay away from her so u dont get combo'd and stay close enough to hit her with smashes and grabs. This can go with any character your facing.

On the evasive part, dont roll so much. It is easilly punished, spot dodge instead. And in the air if u know you know your vulnerable Whistle (down b) it has super armor which takes away knockback from an attack.

 

[Llumys]

Never roll. The rest will come naturally.

 

[Weruop]

I have a few videos for critiquing. I really need help and want tot improve my olimar.

First two are against sheik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4CD-sujkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlG6Eza8hwM

Second two are against snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrliYmwWys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Pk8eD1wB4

First snake video:
at 8 seconds u had an EASY spike. idk why u ran away after u hit him off of the edge with that purple. keep up with 6 pikmin more. at about 45 seconds u should have thrown ur 2 pikmin and then done upb ( then again, u should have had more than 2 pikmin on hand )
watch ur line. at 57, u shouldnt have ran over and tried to up smash with a white pimin. either throw it away, at him, or run up grab, pummel a few times, and up/down throw.WATCH UR LINE AND KNOW PIKMIN ARCS. at 1:49 u have a purple in hand and u do a standing throw from range distance T.T not a good choice. After u get a kill. make sure u have 6 pikmin and then whistle til u get a pikmin tot he front that is not purple. then later when recovering when u waste ur double jump and get hit off stage like u seem to enjoy doing xD u can know in ur head how many whistles u need until u cang et a purlpe the front for anti edgehog. In this specific matchup, do NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT approach snake. u can outcamp him so do it. dont try to run in and attack him, cuz in this video, about 80percent of the time that u tried that, u were punished. let HIM appraoch YOU and then abuse ur range to win the match.

focusing on how u died each time ( since ppl begining olimar need that advice )
1.Do not land in front of a snake and whistle. its just dumb T.T lol. when ur low on pikmin and in a grab, be DIing up and towards the center of the stage( and then switch direction if they throw u towards the center of the stage )momentum cancel with upair
2.second death was a dumb SD. never let those happen
3.at 2:32 u should have shielded or rolled away/behind or jabbed after u hit ground after he naird u. u shouldnt have just stood there lol

theres a lot more but i dont wanna point out every little thing. just go over this advice a lot looking in the video to see what i mean and i think that should help u a lot ^^
also, d throw combos and fatties like snake are super easy to do ( d throw, dash up smash upair / d throw short hop fair into w/e ( id go for a regrab )
use nair to up and d smash . u never did it even once. use it. also, mix it in with throws ( at the right times ) such as short hop pikmin throw, nair to up smash.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

It seems like this thread will be pretty active with very informative critiquing. I think if it keeps up, it should be stickied. Anyway well done so far. And once i fix my dazzle settings and stuff, and prevent the chopiness. I might agree to record some replays once all that is done.

 

[Weruop]

thanks for the compliments and thanks 4 trying to help with recording replays ^^

 

[daisho]

Thanks for the critiques.

Im getting better at watching my line, but i sometimes look at it too much and don't pay attention to the match.

Im used to wasting my DJ because DK doesn't really need his to recover... just up b from really far away and he makes it back.

One thing i was having trouble with was other people outspamming me. Idk what to do against snakes nades and a wolf was ****** me with his B.

Ill try to use nair more but its hard to use that move when just starting out

Thanks alot for the advice guys.