Olimar Video Advice Thread! Up'n'runnin'!

[Weruop]

If you have not read this new version of this thread ( August 3rd ) then please take time to do so before you post again. Thanks

Red:Intro
Yellow:Rules
Blue:Videos
White:Uploaders
Purple:Trusted advice givers (note: any1 can give advice, but these in purple are very trusted with giving advice )

Welcome! This thread will be for getting active members in the community to critique videos of you playing people AROUND YOUR SKILL LEVEL!
Feel free to post up to 3videos a week, and ill try my best to get everyone to leave feedback on atleast one match.

When you post videos, ill put you name on here with links to the videos, for people to watch and critique.
The next time you post videos of yourself, they will overwrite your last submitions. if you posted 3 videos a week ago and u have 2 new ones, but want one from the previous week to still be critiqued, then pleas post the 2 new ones along with the old one.
When a vid is critiqued well, ill put a star (*) next to your name. PLAYERS WITH LESS STARS SHOULD BE GIVEN PRIORITY BY ADVICE GIVERS.

Please do not post videos that are more than 2 months old from the time you post them.

(Players and thier videos)

Video Uploaders ( Send replays via Wii's and have them upload the matches):
daisho >>> http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=101745
>>>>>LOOKING 4 MORE!<<<<<

Olimar's who give trusted feedback include:
Weruop
-Hilt-
dabuz
Draconoa44
asc853
Dyyne
* Echo *
DanGR
RichBrown
Fino
Llumys
Dotcom
BlackWaltzX
Zori
asob4
Pyronic_Star

 

[Noa.]

We did attempt to do a video critique thread once. It didn't fare well.

But this seems much more head on. I would support it.

If we have a replay, can we send them to someone so that they can upload it? That would be easier for people who can't always get recordings.

 

[Weruop]

yeah whatever way u can get it onto the internet is fine

do u remember what made the last video critiquing thread fail?

 

[Noa.]

Not enough people inputting videos. I think people were ready to help though.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

That was my video critique thread that failed!

 

[Dabuz]

lol weruop, you should know this won't work, but if anything, i feel these are 5 good advice givers: me, weruop, richbrown, fino, hilt


also, people should start using using olimar's up-b out of shield instead of always shield grabbing...there is a lot of untapped top tier bad matchup destroying potential there

 

[Dyyne]

Mehhhhhhh
Most advice comes down to "whistle more" which isn't even that great, "nair more", which is situational imo, and "pivot grab", which is more valid. There isn't much that can be said, it's a matter of personally getting better most of the time.
And what makes up-b oos better than grabbing? Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded. The idea of using it oos isn't new, it's just not used much because grabbing is usually better.

 

[Dabuz]

And what makes up-b oos better than grabbing? Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded. The idea of using it oos isn't new, it's just not used much because grabbing is usually better.

And what makes up-b oos better than grabbing? Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded.

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded.

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example)

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example)

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[Weruop]

making this thread work isnt going to be easy dabuz and every1 else, but if we want to step up olimars game, this thread can definitely help. dynnes example of giving advice is exactly why he wouldnt be one giving advice xD
more specific advice than that is usually available to be given. if u see in the video a person falling victim to a little thing, u could tell them to try sh nair or uptilt into upair etc. there is more to olimars game than camp whistle and pvitograb

we're gunna have to take more time helping eachother if we wanna step it up. if we get this thread running and ppl start acting lazy , ill be sure to fix it

if i had to pick 5 smashers id choose richbrown,dabuz,dangr, myself, and my 5th is TBA
th 5 i choose will prolly be in for sure and then we'll have 2-4 others who'll help critique vids

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I like the idea, however it will be difficult to moderate the process of three people posting a match a week... mainly because not all olimar mains have access to recording equipment (i won't be able to record any more matches for about a month, for example), or a lot of us, even some of the top level olimar mains, don't go to tournaments regularly at all (such as fino, who isn't able to make it to a tournament except for about once a month).

However, I think it would definitely be a good idea to have this thread going and have three to five olimar mains that are both active and can give good advice that we can rely on to critique matches posted in here. Not that they would have to be the ONLY people to critique matches, we wouldn't ban others from giving advice if they see something the others don't, it would just be, in a way, expected of the 3-5 regulars chosen.

Also, it's great that you're putting effort to building up our community/metagame Weruop. Most of the others don't have the time for it, or they've dropped brawl.

Or dropped Olimar for snake
=(

 

[Dyyne]

And what makes up-b oos better than grabbing? Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded.

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example), but it is not better if they are grounded.

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example)

Up-b can be good if they did an aerial (marth fair, for example)

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You just completely supported me....You would do it if they were in the air, which is a situation where a grab wouldn't work, therefore you wouldn't be using it instead of a grab because it's not an option to begin with.

making this thread work isnt going to be easy dabuz and every1 else, but if we want to step up olimars game, this thread can definitely help. dynnes example of giving advice is exactly why he wouldnt be one giving advice xD

L2read, I was saying that is what most advice comes down to, not my advice. I give good advice, which you may have known if you were active in the boards for longer than a day. Rich isn't active on the boards anymore, so I doubt he would, nor would want to do this.
I would support the 5 being Fino, Dan, Hilt, Dabuz, and myself.

 

[Cook]

I think Hilt is right, the process of deciding which three people get to pick videos or whatever seems kinda arbitrary. If the problem with the other thread was that not enough people posted videos then starting out with a limit is probably not a good idea. Why not just wait and then put a cap on the videos per week only if there end up being too many videos to watch? Otherwise, I support this idea, I can always use some specific advice.

Edit: Also, only letting five people critique is maybe a bad idea because people are already fighting about who should get to do it.

 

[Noa.]

We just need people to contribute videos. We need stuff to give advice on.

 

[Dyyne]

Or dropped Olimar for snake
=(

Who did that?

I think Hilt is right, the process of deciding which three people get to pick videos or whatever seems kinda arbitrary. If the problem with the other thread was that not enough people posted videos then starting out with a limit is probably not a good idea. Why not just wait and then put a cap on the videos per week only if there end up being too many videos to watch? Otherwise, I support this idea, I can always use some specific advice.

Edit: Also, only letting five people critique is maybe a bad idea because people are already fighting about who should get to do it.

I agree, the concept of 3 people seemed arbitrary to me as well. Same with the 5 people thing, plus the fighting. You could just make a list of people who give good advice on the OP or something.

 

[*_Echo_*]

i like this idea, im new to olimar and need vids up for critique

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Who did that?

AndyG dropped Olimar for Snake a couple months ago :/

 

[Cook]

Here's a vid of me getting *****!!! Halp!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvWZV--Vh6U

 

[Weruop]

i didnt make this thread to start an argument with olimar mains like urself dynne. maybe i would think u give better advice (regardlessly of how long ive been on these boards ) if u didnt blatantly say that most advice comes down to what you stated, which was really dumb lol.

ive also already said that there are going to only be 5 olimars judging. i was hoping on about 6 to 8.
hearing everyones opinion, im now probably just going to have a list of trusted olimar mains to give advice.

ive also already been noticing that rich isnt that actice just by looking through blogs, but getting the community off of its butt to help out other olimars and eventually themselves is one of the things this thread is meant to do

 

[JJ1300]

heyyyy guysss yeah this looks like itll be a very useful thread though I wish i could use it myslef but unfortunately i gots no recording stuff sooo but i hope to benefit from seeing other vids and seeing people's advice :D

 

[Weruop]

hey its jj! ^^ <3
try to find someone on AiB who u can send replays to and see if they could upload them for you.
i could maybe even help u with that

 

[Dyyne]

AndyG dropped Olimar for Snake a couple months ago :/

Ah...I thought he stopped playing Brawl? Or does he still, just only snake?

if u didnt blatantly say that most advice comes down to what you stated, which was really dumb lol.

You really are not comprehending what I typed at all. I'm not being really dumb, I'm being really accurate. I've seen it happen dozens of times: people would ask for advice, and they would usually only get what I said before. Once again I say that that is stupid advice, not the advice I give. Seriously, read what I'm typing.

 

[Weruop]

all im saying is that when u said that most advice comes down to that, u really made it seem like thats the sort of advice ud be giving ppl.
anyways, now i see that u wouldnt give ppl that type of advice and i apologize

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I could probably put in a lot of videos since i just got a dazzle.

 

[Dabuz]

edited cause dangr is right

i think it would be easier to "tier" the olimars so others could know who has the most trustworthy advice

 

[DanGR]

That was unnecessary, Dabuz.

I like this idea, but I don't like having an exclusive list of people that are "more qualified" to give advice, even if they are. Everyone can give advice. You shouldn't have to be on a list for it to be "deemed helpful." It only brings up stuff like that.^^^^^^

 

[Dyyne]

Dabuz, the fact that I'm not as good a player as you does not mean I don't know as much about olimar as you, or that I can't give good advice. What bad advice have I given recently?

@Weruop, it's fine, looking back, I probably could've made it more clear what I had meant.

 

[*_Echo_*]

Here's a vid of me getting *****!!! Halp!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvWZV--Vh6U

from wat i saw u got punished way to much because u plucked or whistled at the wrong time. i could tell u were doing much better when u were at one stock, u stayed in the middle more and u saw his nado coming and punished with ur pivot grab, if u could keep that up u would have done much better.
watch fino vs affinity in the video thread

(i just started oli but from wat i saw thats wat u did wrong)

and everybody stop arguing and help the ppls who need helps thats the point of this thread anyway

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Yeah guys, cook posted a video of himself and wants help, and you're all too busy arguing over who gets to help him. That's not what's important. What's important is that a video gets critiqued well, so that the player is able to improve. That's definitely much more important than "who's more adequate to give advice".

If any rule should be put on this thread, it should be that each person can only post 1-3 videos a week, as I've seen some post 10+, and that's far too many for us to critique.

edit: wow, cook, when did Razor learn the Oli matchup..?

 

[DanGR]

asc, you gotta pay more attention to your pikmin colors. You often either tried to shieldgrab with a purple or missed a chance to interrupt his chasing with a purple. You tried to combo with a purple fsmash too.

That and you have to be more accurate and safe if you're going to jump up at him from below while he's air camping. You tried to force in some upairs from the side; wait till he's a bit higher, particularly after he does a rising dair.

Overall, you missed a lot of upairs and potential chances to get an upsmash in while he landed. If he camps from really high in the air like he did sometimes, get directly below him and pressure him from there. Short hopped upair->fast fall AD is relatively safe and it ends quickly enough for you to punish any airdodges.

edit: Would you like me to call you Cook from now on?

 

[Cook]

edit: wow, cook, when did Razor learn the Oli matchup..?

I dunno, he learned it right about then . He suddenly got a lot smarter about keeping me in the air and grabbing me a ton than he had been last time I played him. Since that tournament I've done much better against him, but that tourney has made me hate MK way more than ever...

asc, you gotta pay more attention to your pikmin colors. You often either tried to shieldgrab with a purple or missed a chance to interrupt his chasing with a purple. You tried to combo with a purple fsmash too.

That and you have to be more accurate and safe if you're going to jump up at him from below while he's air camping. You tried to force in some upairs from the side; wait till he's a bit higher, particularly after he does a rising dair.

Overall, you missed a lot of upairs and potential chances to get an upsmash in while he landed. If he camps from really high in the air like he did sometimes, get directly below him and pressure him from there. Short hopped upair->fast fall AD is relatively safe and it ends quickly enough for you to punish any airdodges.

edit: Would you like me to call you Cook from now on?

I don't care, asc and Cook are all the same to me. Yeah, I've never been very good about watching my line. Also, will up-air or up-smash go THROUGH his d-air or do I have to time it?

 

[DanGR]

I don't care, asc and Cook are all the same to me. Yeah, I've never been very good about watching my line. Also, will up-air or up-smash go THROUGH his d-air or do I have to time it?

Neither will if the Meta times it correctly. A yellow upair might have enough disjointed range (the sparks that fly out), but I doubt it.

You've got to time it. It's pretty safe to jump up with an upair though. He's got to dair the pikmin before he can get to you, in which case you can fast fall an airdodge after the upair and avoid anymore dairs.

 

[Affinity]

watch fino vs affinity 1 of 3 in the video thread

Fixed.

Anyway, I played terribly that first match; not exactly the best reference to base an entire match-up on.

 

[*_Echo_*]

Fixed.

Anyway, I played terribly that first match; not exactly the best reference to base an entire match-up on.

yea i know but its a start
and i learned a couple things from fino in that set so i thought cook could to

 

[Weruop]

ok i still really think there should be a number of olimars at least NOTED for giving good advice. im also thinking of bringing that number probably up into the double digits.should i make it sorta like a tier list tho? of best advice givers, and then all the rest? Im thinking it would be a good idea if i made a tier list like this, and the people in the top tier HAVE to give advice for the vids sum1 submits within a week of its submission. I know i know, its gunna take a lot of not being lazy to get this done but it's worth a try. if not, then we can change that little rule down the like. what do u guys think?

and for submitting videos, i think maybe we should start with making the max video submissions per person 2 a week. thats a total of 8 a month.

IF THIS IS GUNNA WORK AND U GUYS TRULY WANT THE OLIMAR COMMUNITY TO STEP IT UP, UR GUNNA HAVE TO BE TAKING TIME TO HELP ALL THESE OTHER OLIMAR MAINS, AND EVENTUALLY THEYLL BE ABLE TO HELP U WITH THIS THREAD

when people post videos, ill put them in my first post within 2 days of the submission date
everytime sum1 makes a good post giving them really good information ( not just a few sentences of feedback lol ) ill put an asterik above the video link. when it reaches 4 or 5, then the 'top tier advice olimars' no longer have to submit information to the video. comments?

 

[Noa.]

Sounds ok. We should have a user that can help with recording videos though. If someone can easily record videos, they should volunteer to help people with replays.

 

[Dabuz]

man...but all the top tier olimars are the laziest olimars as well...
btw: heres what i beleive are top tiers: me, weruop, richbrown, blackwaltz (he plays now and then)
high tiers: pyronic star, fino, icylight

from there on idk, i probably missed 1 or 2 high tier olimars

 

[Weruop]

yeah can any1 help with recording and uploading? and to what extent?

 

[BOB SAGET!]

wat about me! lol. This tier list thing isnt a good idea. I really dont care about where i am, but others will a lot. Everyone is gonna get pissed off, then thers gonna be a huge arguement....then...........bla bla.

If u must, just make a list of active members of the olimar communtiy instead of a tier list.

Edit: I have a dazzle to record with, but im not posting anymore vids with it until i stop the chopiness.

 

[Weruop]

well if others get mad they shouldnt bring it up in here, they should show what they can do at tournaments
if some of the high tier or even lower people give really good advice, then they will be moved up
also, dont forget that the top tier olimars.. im really gunna be on them about giving advice.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I think we should have a vote before we decide.