Rocann
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protoman10;4730889 Noraa(Andy G) [/QUOTE said:
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Olimar Stage Counterpicks: Discussion on Olimar's Best and Worst Stage Match-ups
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I think it has been known, but I also think you can DI out of it. If not, then no, I would be CPing it every time...
Kashakunaki
Smash Master
Olimar isn't the only one who ***** on Luigi's Mansion. Donkey Kong and Snake do a pretty good job of cleaning house there as well.
Dr. Hyde
Smash Ace
Snake should never Fight Olimar in Luigi's mansion
DK if played right could be even at best but I think the match in Luigi's is Olimar by far against both the characters
By Usmash spam do you mean using the Usmash to hit them on the roof of the Mansion, the lower roof, and then using Usmash again when they hit the ground? thats like what I do at the lower part of Temple. How is Temple for Olimar? I like it because of it's size, suits Olimar IMO.
asob4
Smash Champion
temple is banned and will forever be banned >_>
corneria is decent for olimar if it's allowed
low ceiling and small walls lead to early kills. the ledge on the fin can be used for mind games
i usually go lylat unless it's banned by the player, if it is then i go to pirate ship
corneria is decent for olimar if it's allowed
low ceiling and small walls lead to early kills. the ledge on the fin can be used for mind games
i usually go lylat unless it's banned by the player, if it is then i go to pirate ship
Dotcom
Smash Lord
Sorry for posting about this so lae Internet problems.
Just wondering on the Characters we've did so far. I got a counter for only one we have done SO FAR.
Okay a Great counter for Pika is Norfair.
The stage stops ground shock and lowers the effectiveness of short hopped spamming. Drastically decreases the chance to Dsmash to Thunder combo because of platforms, and is great for Olimar to spam throw, well if you’ve got a good angle at least. The only real advantage to Pika on this is the same one that applies to Olimar, that Norfair has more edges to grab upon.
But when you think about Norfair more intuitively, it's great for some other match ups too. D3 and Ice Climbers suck at Norfair.
D3 Is slow so moving around for him is usually limited to the air because of the different platforms. In the air his approach game is limited to either
1) Waddle Throw
2) D Air (Punishable in so many ways)
and..
3) Bair.
Waddle throw can be avoided with anticipation, and with the fact that on Norfair he only has 3 approaches you should anticipate that if he's in the air at a distance he's probably trying to line you up for a throw.
Dair is like Punishable by law. The animation lasts long so if you get hit it's a big . BUT if you are able to get on the side of him during this move you have time to punish. By time I mean you can quickly order your pikmin to what you want to come out next and still get your attack off.
Bair you can ^B at a certain range, but if not you can really just shield this.
Ice Climbers:
I honestly think this is the worst stage for Ice Climbers period.
Barely any chance to get off a good chain.
Squall will usually end up missing if an Olimar can get above it, and with so many platforms can easily be done.
Ice throw has almost no effect on you if you’re nimble.
N Blizzard is easily DI'd away from to another platform.
On a different topic.
I finally feel like I’m helping the community and not just "the guy who does the player finder" lol.
Just wondering on the Characters we've did so far. I got a counter for only one we have done SO FAR.
Okay a Great counter for Pika is Norfair.
The stage stops ground shock and lowers the effectiveness of short hopped spamming. Drastically decreases the chance to Dsmash to Thunder combo because of platforms, and is great for Olimar to spam throw, well if you’ve got a good angle at least. The only real advantage to Pika on this is the same one that applies to Olimar, that Norfair has more edges to grab upon.
But when you think about Norfair more intuitively, it's great for some other match ups too. D3 and Ice Climbers suck at Norfair.
D3 Is slow so moving around for him is usually limited to the air because of the different platforms. In the air his approach game is limited to either
1) Waddle Throw
2) D Air (Punishable in so many ways)
and..
3) Bair.
Waddle throw can be avoided with anticipation, and with the fact that on Norfair he only has 3 approaches you should anticipate that if he's in the air at a distance he's probably trying to line you up for a throw.
Dair is like Punishable by law. The animation lasts long so if you get hit it's a big
. BUT if you are able to get on the side of him during this move you have time to punish. By time I mean you can quickly order your pikmin to what you want to come out next and still get your attack off.Bair you can ^B at a certain range, but if not you can really just shield this.
Ice Climbers:
I honestly think this is the worst stage for Ice Climbers period.
Barely any chance to get off a good chain.
Squall will usually end up missing if an Olimar can get above it, and with so many platforms can easily be done.
Ice throw has almost no effect on you if you’re nimble.
N Blizzard is easily DI'd away from to another platform.
On a different topic.
I finally feel like I’m helping the community and not just "the guy who does the player finder" lol.
asob4
Smash Champion
pirate ship is surprisingly good for olimar
really easy to stay on the stage and can't be gimped cause of water
when the rock comes you can get an easy b-throw kill
falco is neutral i'd say. campy falco's are annoying >_>
Kyas
Smash Journeyman
you forgot corneria!
one of my best stages. Oli ***** down by the engines and the ceiling on that level is rediculously low
one of my best stages. Oli ***** down by the engines and the ceiling on that level is rediculously low
asob4
Smash Champion
plus up b goes through like the whole stage, and epic tether mindgames with the fin
OlimarFan
Smash Ace
*off topic*
You know, every time I see that Joker image it always reminds me of that pencil trick:
Joker: Here is a pencil, now you see it.
*Impales thug*
Joker: Now you don't.
Kyas
Smash Journeyman
No u
it goes like this
Joker: How about a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear.
SMACK
Joker: TADAA! IT'S... MAAAAAGICally gone.
Lukenessmonster
Smash Apprentice
i say corneria is one of his best stage because if you stand on the fin your pikmin go really far if you throw them and you smashes go farther than usual. you can kil at low percentages with his upsmash on the fin. in bad situations you can upb on the fin. infinite combos sortof on the fin. its pretty much king of the hill when your on it. its a big stage so if you get hit off you have time to recover.
GuyWhoFry!
Smash Rookie
I kinda like Battlefield for Olly, for one simple reason; the offscreen boundaries seem really enclosed to me. Not quite sure that people will agree, (my best friend seems to think that I've finally lost my sanity and it'll turn up in the couch next week along with 4 different remotes and some spare change ) but it seems so much easier to kill with a D-smash near the edges. Although, that said, it's also easier for people to send that light little spaceman flying. That stage also seems to intensify MetaKnight's KO potential exponentially...which really sucks, cause it can make a battle with a good MK MUCH harder.
) but it seems so much easier to kill with a D-smash near the edges. Although, that said, it's also easier for people to send that light little spaceman flying. That stage also seems to intensify MetaKnight's KO potential exponentially...which really sucks, cause it can make a battle with a good MK MUCH harder.
BlackWaltzX
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Why is Delfino Plaza marked as a bad stage?
Well for one Water is not Olimars friend, While it does prevent you from being GIMPed or Meteor Smashed to your death Delfino Plaza eliminates this convince by changing the area that you fight.
Plus most of the places where there is water to save you from being GIMPd there are no ledges.
Not to mention the only fair fighting area is the platform that floats around, everywhere else has uneven terrain and bad edges. But this has little to do with Olimar.
The fact is there is a lot of Water and the moving is bad?
Oh you think I forgot...well I did, this is an edit but there are Walk off Edges too, which also adds to the tourney-*** rage.
Plus most of the places where there is water to save you from being GIMPd there are no ledges.
Not to mention the only fair fighting area is the platform that floats around, everywhere else has uneven terrain and bad edges. But this has little to do with Olimar.
The fact is there is a lot of Water and the moving is bad?
Oh you think I forgot...well I did, this is an edit but there are Walk off Edges too, which also adds to the tourney-*** rage.
Pokemon Stadium 1: Advantage. This might be different for other Olimars, but most of my kills happen off the top. The ceiling is already relatively low, and when the stage changes they can become lower. Puts some of Olimar's harder matchups like Mk and Peach who often ko off the sides a harder time since the stage is wider on the sides.
Corneria: Advantage. Incredibly low ceiling makes for easy kos off the top with usmash, uair or uthrow. Sides are close to the stage making foward and back throws with blues and purples much easier.
Corneria: Advantage. Incredibly low ceiling makes for easy kos off the top with usmash, uair or uthrow. Sides are close to the stage making foward and back throws with blues and purples much easier.
BlackWaltzX
Smash Lord
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So water saves from gimping which is good right? The area changing makes it into an awkwardly built battlefield.
So the drawback of water saving is the death of pikmin, save blue, which is one of the best. Why do we need ledges when we can't be gimped?
The uneven terrain is bad, however, it is dealable with.. Like on lylat or yoshi (brawl).
Water makes you ungimpable, which is Olimar's weakness.
This kills pikmin, cept blue, which is one of the best to grab with or overall attack.
The floating platform is like a bad version of stages which we can play on and is fine. The only bad thing about this stage is the...
..which means stay on the umbrellas or run away from the enemy till the platform moves.
oliwonder
Smash Cadet
lylat cruise ftw because u can continuously **** with Up B. The platforms cancel landing lag(of course if timed correctly, which is easier on this stage) and can be followed by anything(another Up B or Fsmash pwns)
TomTom
Smash Cadet
Obviously it's a banned stage anyway, but Hanenbrow is pretty bad for Olimar because he can't tether the leaves and so can die very easily.