Olimar pwned me.... HELP! (2)

[navillus]

Me and my buddy were brawling last night when out of nowhere he picks Olimar and kicks my arse. now i'm no n00b I played a tourney-worthy samus in melee and i can say i'm fairly proficient in brawl, but this dude two stocked me in a three stock match with a character he's never played. Any reason as to why? Also i tried other characters and still lost. Tell mee how to beat him please.........

I posted this in the olimar section and was told to come here. I got some good advice but now I need you guys. Help me beat him please!

 

[hellbourne]

I'm in the same boat. My friend played olimar for the first time yesterday and I couldn't even touch him.

 

[navillus]

dude exactly. is samus like gimped by picking olimar?

 

[HugS]

Samus's new size makes it difficult for her to deal with small characters like olimar.

 

[Kone]

I agree with hugs ^ likes of pika are a right pain

 

[navillus]

So there's nothing i can do but accept pwnage?

 

[Cynix]

all i can say is keep playing and get used to his fighting style. if it were me i would play mad defensive

 

[k4polo]

olimar is pretty tough. hes pretty fast and small and has good range.Samus has good range but is slower. I suggest playing the range game and use long range attacks. then up close go for a smash. I would think you get most of your damage long range tho. That is my suggestions.

 

[RaigothDagon]

Tiny guys are tough for Samus. Best playing defensive the whole game. Draw him in by spamming missles and zair or something...hopefully you can pull off a cheap shot. Careful coming in from above, or when he comes to meet you in the air, so mostly, try to stay below him, yet still in the air.

 

[verditude]

Olimar has more range on his smashes than you do, but you have generally better ranged aerials. Olimar also has no long range projectiles except white pikmin, so you can homing missile camp him to an extent. You can stop most of his approaches that don't involve throwing pikmin with zair.

 

[navillus]

So the message i'm getting i stay away and hope you get lucky? And aerials are out Olimars neutral A gets me every time i try the sex kick. Anything guys? On a side note i played a level 9 olimar and won. not by a large margin but i won. He played a level 9 samus and won with 32% damage and three stocks left in a three stock match. wtf!

 

[The_Woebegone_Jackal]

Keep him away from you with walls of H.missles and the occasional S.missle for damage/knockback/shield pressure. Approach with the zair (shorthopped), delaying it long enough so it will fall with you enough to hit his small frame. If he gets really close F-tilt and jab are your best friends otherwise your after lag will leave you open to counter attack if he dodges or shields.

If you wait to kill him off the top or sides he'll live to almost 200% so you have to gimp his recovery. Either try to intercept him with a spike (Dair) or at higher percents run off the stage and punt them with a Nair or Bair so his tether won't reach. If you can manage befor they can use his tether it may just suit you better to edgehog. Just be careful to keep you invulnerable frames up or you may get stage spiked with his tether, killing you along with him.

Thats my two cents

 

[navillus]

Brawl is balanced my arse. I'm gonna play him today I will put these strategies to work and see what I come up with. I'll post the results. thx again

 

[0RLY]

Sorry, but even though I can give good advice against every other character match-up, Olimar ***** me as well. He's too short to zair, at maximum range. Sure, I could delay it, but that simply gives Olimar more time. Samus has no time, even for a seemingly empty shffl.

Playing defensively isn't good against an Olimar. Olimar can always throw those turnips on steroids at you. Which is still free damage even if you attack them away. *cry* Why did they nerf Samus' utilt? */cry* Olimar's pikmin attacks are all disjointed hitboxes. His frame is also too small to use screw attack or missiles as effectively.

Playing offensively isn't good against Olimar either. His utilt and nair will **** through all of your approaches. Olimar's smashes, combined with his B-up gives him a perfect 180 degrees range of defense around his body on the ground. His body just screams, YOU CANT TOUCH THIS!

The only way I've been able to deal damage effectively is to zair when he jumps and combo it into a ftilt (I can't grab his d4mn arse).

Olimar in brawl > Marth in melee. (In level of annoyingness. In terms of tiers, Marth > all)

Now, remember these are factors against a perfect Olimar. If your friend can't do any of this, this should be a walk in the park. Just combo a half-stepped fsmash to his light 4ss, off the stage into an edgehog for an easy kill.

 

[deadpoe7]

(WHEW!) I am breathing a HUGE sigh of relief. The first night that my little brother and I were playing brawl, I had been playing with metaknight, and he picked Oli for the first time and neutered me. I COULD NOT TOUCH HIM! Now I find out that Olimar is just naturally hard to fight...Makes me feel bad for punching my little bro...

 

[khoasgotrice]

dude, same deal.
wow olimar is so gay!
well, some things that help me is that hes to small! so hard to hit and grab and everything.
if i get to close i get punished because his pikman own me. just play defensively and gimp all his returns, do not let him back on no matter what, thats pretty much all you can do against him. Zair, doesnt have as much range against him since hes so short but when it connects its a good combo starter/approach/approach stopper.

thats my 2 cents

 

[JettythatSamus]

Zamus ***** olimar, so this would be one of those times when you would need to switch right before the match.
In all honesty, I think that Samus/Zamus boards shouldn't be separate and a Samus main should learn her techniques without her PS but that's another issue.

But yea, dairs from ZSS, and her lasso above her make olimar very easy to deal with. Her fsmash hits him really well too.

 

[0RLY]

Jetty.... what kind of Olimars are you facing? If anything, Samus stands a better chance against Olimar than Zamus. Olimar is tiny and hard to land KO moves on. Zamus's main killing move, B>, misses Olimar if he stands between the two hitboxes, the tip and the spark at the gun. The zig-zaggy whip in between the tip and the spark at the gun actually has no hitbox.

Zamus may fare better against Olimar if he's in the air, Zamus is much faster than Samus in the air. I'm not sure if Olimar's nair can hit through any of Zamus' aerials, but from what I know, Olimar's nair hits through everything. The problem is getting Olimar in the air in the first place. Zamus' tilts and dash attack are nothing to the Pikmin Olimar can lob at you. Unfortunately, most of the fighting occurs on the ground, where Zamus doesn't stand a chance against Olimar.

 

[navillus]

So i played him last night and won but it was one of the most hard fought matches I've ever done. I barely beat him and I've been playing the character for 4 years. He picked him up a week ago which says he has much more room to grow. as a side note the next match he two stocked me. I've found I fair much better on battlefield than final. any thoughts?

edit: HugS and Hylian i'm lookin at you two! the future of Sami (the plural of samus) is at stake here!

 

[Nocturnal~Dragon]

Olimar is a **** to fight against as Samus. i have the same situation my friend has been playing Olimar for not that long and he couldn't touch me in Melee or Brawl. He picks up Olimar and all of the sudden he beating me or i barely win. the best thing against olimar is probably the Zair, its a hard fight cause he doesn't have any openings also i noticed if u can some how pressure olimar(missles or close range attacks), he cant do much, but u since there aren't really any combos(and Samus being Nerfed) in this game u cant do that much pressuring with Samus

 

[I feel asleep]

as much as i hate to admit it, samus has a bad matchup against olimar...who is one of the best characters untill you get him off the ledge : /

however, the simplest way to deal with Olimar is to switch to ZSS and abuse the Forward-B...eat pikmin alive, outranges all options olimar has(except side-b) etc..etc..

I loved samus in 64, i loved samus in melee, and i love samus in brawl and nothing will change that, somehow one of us will find a way to counter olimar with Samus other than ZSS.

 

[khoasgotrice]

just played against an olimar for about an hour now, never been so pissed in my life. i need help to, but i feel that there is no help to give me. i cant do anything versus this olimar, its hard enough to get him off the edge, but he constantly beats me up. i couldnt find a good approach at all. ive been playing samus for 2-3 years now and he just picked up olimar as well as smash bros, and he beats me! GRRRRR

 

[JettythatSamus]

Jetty.... what kind of Olimars are you facing? If anything, Samus stands a better chance against Olimar than Zamus. Olimar is tiny and hard to land KO moves on. Zamus's main killing move, B>, misses Olimar if he stands between the two hitboxes, the tip and the spark at the gun. The zig-zaggy whip in between the tip and the spark at the gun actually has no hitbox.

Zamus may fare better against Olimar if he's in the air, Zamus is much faster than Samus in the air. I'm not sure if Olimar's nair can hit through any of Zamus' aerials, but from what I know, Olimar's nair hits through everything. The problem is getting Olimar in the air in the first place. Zamus' tilts and dash attack are nothing to the Pikmin Olimar can lob at you. Unfortunately, most of the fighting occurs on the ground, where Zamus doesn't stand a chance against Olimar.

Well when I was facing him, I mostly jumped in the air and daired. In order to be able to do that, I'd constantly throw out forward smashes so that either the Olimar jumped or started lobbing pikmin. That dair pops him up, and once hes above you ZSS' utilt and usmash are too good.

 

[k4polo]

Zamus ***** olimar, so this would be one of those times when you would need to switch right before the match.
In all honesty, I think that Samus/Zamus boards shouldn't be separate and a Samus main should learn her techniques without her PS but that's another issue.

But yea, dairs from ZSS, and her lasso above her make olimar very easy to deal with. Her fsmash hits him really well too.

Yea true someone needs to try and main both. I main ZSS but I am learning Samus currently. Hmm I may do it who knows. Alot of ZSS main don't know Samus well and Vice Versa. I mainly main her because I do better with speed types than range types.

ZSS can get Olimar in the air with ease as she has alot of speed. This speed helps. Her Side B has good range vs pikman. But olimar tough to deal with with any character though.

As for Samus, Its best to play the range game as I said earlier. Missiles, Zair, charge shot

 

[navillus]

I'm confused.... boobs capt'n crunch? ah.................

 

[Yorenec]

Yea part of the whole April Fool's thing.

As for Olimar. I don't even really bother fighting him with Samus anymore unless I'm trying to devise some method to have a chance against lightweights, which usually fails. ZSS on the other stand stomps most lightweights no problem. It's at the point where I start match as Samus. If the match starts and I see a lightweight I transform immediately before they get to me. If it's on the same tv I really do that too just for mindgame purposes.

 

[khoasgotrice]

lol, boobs would beat captain crunch

 

[hardcore]

you can't play defensive against Olimar because he'll just sit back and throw pikmin at you...
one has to get in his face with quick aerials and such, making sure to fend off pikmin quickly if they latch on

 

[Lucrece]

Boob has just as much a hard time against Olimar,; most of her attacks will miss him, plus side B can easily be countered if you start to abuse it instead of mindgaming.

If you want to counter Olimar, grab a sword user, preferably Marth. His wall of fairs put a pretty tough challenge for Olimar.

 

[0RLY]

I found the Olimar counter. His name is dedede. His hammer has more reach than Oli's smashes and his slave-throwing attack reaches farther than Olimar's respective move. Bairs keep Oli off the stage long enough to prevent him from recovering above the stage, all leading to an easy edgeguard.

Alas this is a Samus forum... But do not fear, ORLY has found an even better answer! Take Olimar to heavy brawl. Samus=god tier in heavy brawl. I don't even need to explain it. You'll learn what to do in less than seconds.

Samus for god tier. ↓

 

[templar rage]

Aside from the fact that playing a character you have never played against before does not usually go well the first few times, Oli is hard to fight, which is why I love him. His disjointed hitboxes and midgetness make him hard to touch. Just keep the pressure, knock him off, and gimp him.

@Khoas, just because you can't beat Olimar does not make him gay, it really makes you gay for saying that. Just keep at it, you will find a way.

 

[Lucrece]

Aside from the fact that playing a character you have never played against before does not usually go well the first few times, Oli is hard to fight, which is why I love him. His disjointed hitboxes and midgetness make him hard to touch. Just keep the pressure, knock him off, and gimp him.

@Khoas, just because you can't beat Olimar does not make him gay, it really makes you gay for saying that. Just keep at it, you will find a way.

Actually, nothing really makes you gay. The only thing that saying something is gay-- an improper use of the word-- does is make you both look like some stupid homophobes.

With that said, anyone but sword users has problems with Olimar because they can't match his range. Olimar is one of the best, if not THE best, characters for racking up damage. In addition, his attacks have a lot of priority and range. Olimar is also at his best when in the center of the stage, and being able to take a camping position. As most Samus players are accustomed to playing defensively, they'll be baffled by Olimar's superior camp game. To beat him, you'll need to pressure him greatly with overwhelming approaches.

Finally, keep in mind that with pressure, you can keep an Olimar distracted from properly using the correct pikmins for his moveset, which can mean the difference between a KO'ing you at 90-110% and doing so at 130-150%. Also, keep an eye out for his U-smash; it's his most reliable KO move from his preferred center of the stage.

 

[Crystanium]

I defeated level 9 Olimar.

So that I won't make any unnecessary threads (thanks for the tip, UndrDog), I would like to bring this up again, since it is a discussion about Samus and Olimar. A lot of times, I see people worry about Olimar, because Samus' z-air seems ineffective against him due to his short size. The thing is, if used properly (I dare not say that all Samus mains do this improperly!), you can actually hit smaller characters. I've hit Pikachu, Kirby, Meta Knight, and Olimar. The thing I want to bring up is my battle between me, a Samus main, and Olimar.

I decided that I'd play against level 9 CPUs just for the heck of it. I like to see how they react. While they aren't the best to fight against, you can learn things about them, such as their use of shielding, spot-dodging, air-dodging, and the like. But, that's beside the point. I ended up fighting against a level 9 Olimar. We were at Yoshi's Melee stage. I thought that I was going to lose, because I don't like Olimar's way of fighting. Toss a Pikmin here and there, and you'll eventually get your damage racked up.

Here is what I did when I fought against Olimar. Keeping in mind the stage, it would seem that Olimar would have an advantage here. He wouldn't have to worry about falling off and trying to tether onto an edge. The problem with him at this stage were the slopes. Those slopes did me wonders, because it allowed me to use z-air multiple times. Eventually, I'd get him high enough in damage that I'd simply have to use a d-tilt, d-smash, or f-smash. So, remember that the stage you are on also makes a difference!