DZLE
Smash Master
Because I started this awesome thread.
Hey all, DZLE here.
I have heard alot of people complaining/asking for a frequently checked/updated D3 Q&A Thread, so upon request I am going to try to run one.I have looked around and haven't seen one so far, so that is another reason I thought I would make this.
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Purpose of this thread
For anyone that wants a serious answer to a serious question concerning King Dedede.
I know D3 better than I know my own soul, so chances are between myself and any other D3-mainers here, we can answer all questions.
I will keep this updated Daily, probably multiple times per day. The goal here is to have a structured DDD Q&A.
RULES:
1: Do NOT ask the same thing twice.
2: Ask serious questions that you really want an answer to.
3: PLEASE do not spam/flame, I want to get this stickied, and would rather not have it closed.
4: Anyone can contribute, and if it is liable, and not bull ****, I will add it to the OP
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Yes, we all pretty much know this.
Also, D3 has a standing infinite on DK, and its super super easy. on DK the grabs dont decay, so you dont have to do a reset infinite. you can just infinite.
There is also a walking CG on Wolf, Wario, and Ganondorf. DK, Samus, Mario, and Luigi can be standing infinited by Dedede.
However, while doing the standing infinite on Samus, Mario, or Luigi, you must jab before every Dthrow (after a few) to reset the move, Otherwise it Decays, and they go out of reach, making it harder to perform at low %. Out of habit, on all 4 of those characters, I always jab at least once anyway.
The placement with Nair is tough. I almost NEVER use this if I am above them, rather when they are above me. I use it similar to Jiggs down-b placement (where your right on top of them) but I Nair at their feet. I almost never Nair small characters, all though other D3's may do it differently. -DZLE
King DeDeDe does not have a pointless move in his arsenal. Not his jet hammer, and certainly not his neutral air. Take advantage of the fact it comes out fast, and use it to cover your others moves if they were air dodged through. For example, if I whiff a forward air, or up air, while chasing attempting to chase a Snake user off stage or above, neutral air comes out fast enough, and stays out long enough, to punish the ending frames of invincibility, along with the beginning frames of vulnerability. -Foursaken
Dunno if this is worth mentioning, but I use DDD's nair as sort of an all-purpose aerial. If someone's too close to get hit with any of the others (and a fair is unfavorable due to lag), I'll pull one out. It pops them up a bit, usually in perfect distance for a fair or two. -ConeyIsle
Another good use for Nair is for canceling mortars. Yep, if it's coming at you and you're above it, Nair and that's the end of that mortar. Now you can worry about more important things, like not getting hit with Snake's tilts and actually killing him. -PinkPwnageFrenzy
Fast-falled Nair (into opponent on ground) into UTilt is a pretty handy little maneuver. This move is pretty all-purpose as stated before, certainly not as useless as some would have you believe. -WingedKnight
Pivot grab has more range.
Well due to not having Boost grabbing (because DeDeDe is too fat) he can't turn the CG around.
You can still try to change direction of the CG by B-throwing when you get to the ledge of the stage and try to get a tech chase and maybe continue chaingrabbing.
Its not posible to do a Pivot grab at the end of the CG but its possible if they spotdodge.
Playing Dedede i don't notice a huge difference from the both of them, just that the Dair is used a lot more because Dedede goes into the air a decent amount. The Dair has a bit of a spike at the tip (not too noticeable). and Dair is good for the setup of the combo SH Fair 2nd hop Dair = no lag upon landing. The Uair has better damage than the Dair, but less Priority. The Uair is easier to DI out of than the Dair, and they both send the opponent up on the last rotation of his hammer.
Overall the Dair is better than the Uair.
No, The lag in King DeDeDe's Dair isn't much of a problem because you can do a Fair to Dair and land without any lag if you time it right.
You can also do a Dair out of a Shot Hop without lag but this needs good timing.
Nothing is bad for Dedede, persay. Even if he plays on Brinstar, Norfair, and the like, he's still an extremely effective character. It could be argued that his worst stage in general is Jungle Japes, due to the high ceiling, water, less space to chaingrab, and edge hazards.
Dedede does good in stages with small ceiling like Green Greens and in places with a lot of room to Chaingrab like Delfino Plaza and Castle Siege.(if you get a grab on the 2nd part of this stage its an auto kill, you can chaingrab them all the way to the sides and kill them just like in Delfino Plaza).
Best stage is generally Final Destination, except against characters that Dedede can't chaingrab that ALSO have a general advantage on flat stages, and/or have a chaingrab on Dedede.
Best counterpick? Rainbow Cruise gets my vote.
You have to keep tapping constantly the stick to the side while you're using Jet hammer and you'll move faster than just walking and if you tap the stick faster you'll might be able to get the sliding Jet Hammer but that is more tricky.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=id3QXwczsKg
If you want a really good use for Jet Hammer, wait until your opponent HAS to recover on the stage. Hit them in their landing lag for the stock. I usually don't pull the Jet Hammer until my opponent is recovering, in general. About the sliding bit, you can also do it if you just hold towards the direction you want, but very slightly. It's tricky, and it's different for everyone's controller, so just find what works best for you. Otherwise, stick with the tapping really fast.
SCG = Shield Cancel Grab. It means while your running, Shield and hit A. Your grab range is a bit farther using this technique, and its better to SCG chaingrab on some characters, rather than just dash grab. Marth being one of them.Luigi can be chaingrabbed? with SCG? Whats SCG?
Yes, Luigi can be Chaingrabbed. But you MUST do the SCG and it must be frame perfect.
I like the "ledgecamping with bairs" approach, but it's really only best at midrange. If your opponent is far away, going for a WoP is better. If your opponent is right next to the stage, ftilts, dtilts, and inhale would probably be better options.
But honestly, you should be trying to kill G&W off the top, not gimp him.
DK is a good sub if you see a ton of Metaknights.
Wolf is a good sub if you don't see any Metaknights.
Game & Watch is also a good secondary for Dedede if you can get used to how vastly different their playstyles are.
I tested it for literally 60 seconds before running out the door last night.
From what I saw, using A to throw a Waddle thats already out does NOT deteriorate the move. Not really a game-changing find, but an interesting fact.
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Any questions?
(By posting in this thread you allow me to use any questions you ask / answers you provide, if you feel you absolutely need recognition for you submission, let me know.)
-DZLE
