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Yeah its broken for me too
Forcing opponents to play a suboptimal game plan through projectiles and stage control while having decent enough normals and oddities to play a diverse, flexible, hybrid zoning and rushdown game dependent on the match up.
He makes you play his game. I don't know where I read this on the boards but someone said its like playing a chess game in a boxing match, you have to have a different way of thinking when playing as him than other characters. It's all about making your projectiles and long range attacks to escape your opponents attacks
....*raises hand*
Why do u think its overrated?
Because his projectiles are really really slow and awkward. A lot of people get the idea that Duck Hunt's projectiles are hard to bypass and are good at keeping people out, so a lot of people play him as a zoning character because of that. In reality, this is actually only effective against some of the cast, any character with decent aerial mobility can actually get past your wall of projectiles without that much trouble because of their awkwardness:
or somebody who is terrible at approaching in general like , Duck Hunt as a long range zoner isn't really that effective and as long as your opponent is competent, they WILL get in faster than you might expect and you're not really going to get much mileage from it. In a ditto match though, you can easily camp out the opposing if you control center stage and whoever dies first loses strangely enough, basically like a game of capture the flag. Had to learn this the hard way, and Duck Hunt dittos are among the most aggravating dittos in the game imo. Duck Hunt's zoning is decent, but it's not really good enough to suffice as the core of his gameplan and its not gonna work against the majority of the cast. Other projectile characters like , , and are honestly way better at zoning than he his; and if you pit him against them, he loses the projectile war unless you got the Mega Gunmen custom available.
Uh hello? You're the one who asked why I think his camping overrated. I didn't say those projectiles are terrible if that's you re thinking, the point of my post was to say why he isn't that good as a zoning character and why his projectiles are not that great at said job. Some of your arguments contain stuff that is COMPLETELY unrelated to what I was talking about.
, , and of course himself. If multiple characters count, I kind of have Duck Hunt as a sidekick character and I've played him well enough to get at least a good idea of how he works, and quite a few people in my scene seem to be impressed with mine. Pretty much everything you've told me is stuff I already know too.
(probably why I'm having a hard time choosing who I like best) too; feigning like I'm going to come to people until they mess up. Best approach is pretending to approach, and its fun since they don't get any time to think.
I was under the assumption Toon Link was better at camping. To be honest, Doggy isn't a huge camper, most dogs use projectiles to lead into follow ups, strings can last quite a while when you get the right first hit.
Oh, perhaps I'm misunderstanding a bit how Duck Hunt works. I guess I'll look deeper into how he works with some guides before I make a decision.
Duck Hunt's smash attacks increase in distance the more they are charged. To compensate for this, the hit-boxes closest to Duck Hunt are pushed farther away. A fully charge f-smash can travel farther than a normal f-smash but will have a blind-spot next to Duck Hunt.
Toon Link can work the same way though, thanks to his speed. I would say DHD is the better camper because of can. DHD doesn't always have to use projectiles to approach. Most importantly, his projectiles are way better on shield than T. Link's, which can be perfect shielded (offline, I guess) with frame advantage to you generally.
Your namesake, Galaxian, is what you'll want to charge up to, at least, for....Against
And a quote from xzx from the same thread as the above quote from me that I liked:Perhaps
If you DO catch a Fruit, you can try to hold on to it as long as you can to deny him the ability to throw any more Fruits. Of course, by doing so, you'll also deny yourself the ability to use any A button attacks (including Smashes!) and grabs as well. As the canine, your overall mobility is pretty good (you can even crawl & wall-jump!), and you'll still get to chuck Cans, Gunmen, and especially Clays. These will become your main sources of damage dealing if you decide to hold on the Fruit, because without his Fruit, he'll likely try to approach you, especially once he sends the Hydrant flying your way. Hitting him out of Power Pellet before he eats it by hitting the Pellet itself will allow you a chance to heal yourself a bit from the Pellet he drops. If you're still holding on to a Fruit when you try to go pick up the Pellet, you may have to throw it away in order to heal yourself with the Pellet. If there's a way to pick up the Pellet without having to throw away the Fruit first, please let me know. Trampoline will beat your Can, which is one way he'll defend himself against your edgeguards. A DH without access to A moves & grabs (due to holding on to Fruit) will have to play a ranged game like Marth, and possibly even counter-camp.
If you really want to safely chuck any Fruit between Cherry & Melon, 1. KO the Gunmen, 2. Get past the Can, and 3. Be close enough for Clay to be too risky for the dog's comfort. Power Pellets are one option for accomplishing this, as are Trampolines, Hydrants, powershields, jumps, spotdodges, and rolls. As the above quote may imply, if the dog's carrying your Fruit, you're in trouble.
To my knowledge no one has posted up-throw % kill data for Duck Hunt yet. Were kinda behind on that.
He does really good agains melee characters like the fire emblem crew by dropping a can and then when they get close shoot it and it will pop up and hit them and use this at high percentage to juggle them
