Obama's Inauguration

[Vorguen]

Every style of government can work, just as well as every style of government can fail. Communism can be the best form of government in one country and Capitalism in the other. It really depends on it's citizens and government.

 

[Darkslash]

Communism in it's true form is possibly the best. But then Lenin,Stalin,Mao and Castro ****ed it up badly.

 

[1048576]

Eh, it depends on your philosophy. Capitalism = big pie uneven cuts. Communism = small pie even cuts.

The mean income is higher in a capitalist society, the median is higher in a communist society.

I believe that it's perfectly acceptable to punish people for things that aren't their fault, so I should be a capitalist. You probably disagree, so you're a communist (or maybe some kind of leftist socialism, since you still want to punish people for things that they can control, no?)

 

[Eor]

The world doesn't divide into "Capitalism" "Communism"

 

[GoldShadow]

Eor is right, the United States is most definitely not "purely capitalist".

 

[GreenKirby]

This socialism/capitalism crap is BS.

Not only would a 'pure' s/c will ever work but I can't fathom how people can just say Obama is a socialist. Wasn't McCain's policy involve the government buying up bad house mortgages? And let's not forget Bush.

And would someone mind telling me how tax cuts for the rich isn't socialism but tax cuts for the middle/lower classes ARE?

I guess the universal health care could be considered socialist. But so is Medicare for that matter. =/
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[Crimson King]

This socialism/capitalism crap is BS.

Not only would a 'pure' s/c will ever work but I can't fathom how people can just say Obama is a socialist. Wasn't McCain's policy involve the government buying up bad house mortgages? And let's not forget Bush.

And would someone mind telling me how tax cuts for the rich isn't socialism but tax cuts for the middle/lower classes ARE?

I guess the universal health care could be considered socialist. But so is Medicare for that matter. =/
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You have no concept of economic policies.

Obama IS socialist because in his speech he said we should guide the market, that is not a capitalist method of thought, at all. Then, his whole platform for tax cuts is to "share the wealth." That was started by Huey P. Long and sharing the wealth means you are taking from others for their work, and EVENLY DISTRIBUTING IT AMONG OTHERS - socialism.

Bush and McCain are both socialists as well, but they are more imperialistic, Mao/Lenin/Castro/Kim socialists.

Universal health care is the definition of socialism because you are paying for the raising of another persons life standard.

Basically, capitalism is the focus on yourself, economically. What will benefit me and make me richer. It works because competition is in human nature. With socialism, you are sharing your profits, so everyone is on an even playing field. It's hard to establish the difference between socialism and communism, but they are not mutually exclusive.

Socialism, in its purest form, will never work because human nature is based on selfishness. This is not a bad thing, but it works better in a capitalist arena, than in a socialist arena.

 

[1048576]

I think your entire frame of reference is shifted.

Socialism is smack dab in the middle of capitalism and communism; at least that's how I learned it.

Communism entails govt. ownership of all businesses. Impossible because productivity would tank and standard of living would be poor.

Capitalism entails govt. ownership of nothing. Impossible because we wouldn't have traffic lights and poor people couldn't call the cops, for example.

Socialism entails govt. ownership of some businesses. Every society has some form of this. Frankly, the US is pretty far right in that most businesses are private and I don't think Obama is going to change that. Every society redistributes its wealth in some form because we need cops and traffic lights. I think the income gap in the US is one of the highest among developed nations (I could be wrong, though), and certainly Obama isn't going to turn us into France any time soon.

 

[Vorguen]

Communism discourages advancement, and Capitalism encourages it. So yeah Capitalism can be unfair to some and Communism fair to many, but overall they impact the way the economy, society, and technology advance as a whole.

Then there would be a shortage in communism as well of very skilled and technical jobs like Doctors and stuff.

Who would want to be a doctor when being a plumber makes the same amount?

Mario agrees, lol.

 

[1048576]

People starve to death in a capitalist society for reasons not under their control. It doesn't bother me, but I think it bugs the commies.

Edit: Have you read the Jungle?

 

[Crimson King]

No.

Communism is a form of government, like Democracy, Federalism, etc. Capitalism and socialism are economic forms. You can have a Communist-Capitalist society, ala China, but, it works in a different way.

Communism is government intervention on all sectors, while socialism deals with solely economic means. Since they are VERY closely related, it's hard to explain the difference.

 

[1048576]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

1 a: a theory advocating elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2capitalized a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d: communist systems collectively

Apparantly, it's both. Same with socialism.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Doesn't it suck when words have more than one meaning. Oh well. Want to call it a draw? Anyway, for future in this thread, what do we call the thing between communist economic policy and capitalist economic policy?

 

[Crimson King]

THAT'S TRUE!! ****!

I totally forgot communism can be both. My bad.

 

[Vorguen]

Communism also means

1) ticket to jail, if you know McCarthy.

It's funny how the new word for "Communists" now a days is "Terrorists"

That's not saying Communists are Terrorists or terrorists are communists, but back in the day the government used the word communist as a way to "strike fear" in the people and used it as an excuse to do many things it probably should not have AKA get involved with Cuba and Vietnam. Now we do the same exact thing under "Terrorists" and invade Iraq.

9/11 was the excuse, why was Iraq invaded when Saudi Arabians, Egyptians, and Lebanese financed by Osama Bin Laden who lives in Afghanistan and happens to also be Saudi Arabian and supported by the Pakistanis were the ones supposedly responsible for the attacks that day? Nothing to do with Iraq in any way, but somehow we managed to invade them, just like we did Vietnam, when we had no reason or excuse to go there really.


Edit: Wait...... oil.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

"Those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocence we say now that our spirit is stronger ." -Obama

I don't buy any of his BS honestly. When asked to comment about the slaughter happening in Gaza before the inauguration he said nothing and to put insult to injury his spokesman had the audacity to step up to the mic and tell the media that "there could only be one president at a time." This excuse didn't apply on his condemnation of the coordinated attacks on innocent civilians in Mumbai in November.

It is bad enough his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel is a duel citizen of Israel and the son of Benjamin M. Emanuel who was in a terrorist organization called Irgun. The pro-Israeli outlook Obama has isn't as inconspicuous as he'd like to believe. The fact that he silently defends his Israeli allies while hundreds of children have been murder with their mothers is enough for me to smell the **** through the TV screen. The media's praise can't hide the phony that he is.

What happened to our troops being taken out of Iraq like he said? HA! They're only be taken out to fill in slots in Pakistan. Obama is a fake AKA nothing but a milkdud.

 

[Vorguen]

Back up your arguments with proof please. Especially if they are that accusing.

 

[Grunt]

nothing but a milkdud.

I like Milk duds.
D:

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Here is proof of his self incriminating silence. And for those who think they'll be coming back from Iraq and not relocated if they leave there at all here is the article from the New York Times. You could read the whole thing if you like but this excerpt should be enough.

"Two missile attacks launched from remotely piloted American aircraft killed at least 15 people in western Pakistan on Friday. The strikes suggested that the use of drones to kill militants within Pakistan’s borders would continue under President Obama." -By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. of the New York Times, published: January 23, 2009

 

[1048576]

How about you give him another week or so before you pass such ridiculous judgments.

Oh noez, he has one half-Isreali adviser. He must hate the Palistinians.

The conflict isn't as simple as you would like us to believe. It's hard to say which side is simply defending itself, especially for ordinary citizens who's news is heavily filtered.