Oasis Mafia - Over!

[Z25]

I'm lowkey annoyed with how Wisp is treating Pokechu this game, part of me feels if he town reads me like he says that he would have way more issue with Pokechu readlist then he did. The lack of any real reaction bothers me, but not enough to devalue how I feel on his slot overall.

How do you feel about their token and lynch proof claim?

If my theory is right and Osie gave out the tokens, would they give them to scum, or town?

 

[Wiisp]

man IDK Jack

 

[Wiisp]

Pikachu is slowly going back into my PoE

 

[BoomFrog]

Jack moves up to town-lean for me.

 

[Pokechu]

Why do you feel the need to defend Ran here?

Yo scum!Sabrar chill out lol

Can I ask what the point of these posts were? They both feel weirdly out of place. The first was opportunist and shading Sab for "defending" Ran (even though he wasn't really). The second was just weird and empty. Kind of devaluing Sabrar even though that's a genuine concern he made (that UP's insomniac isn't his whole role).

Like with the first, did you do it to be cute LOL or do you really think that Sab/Ranmaru is a possible team? And with the second do you think it's like TMI or something for Sab to be concerned with your role? Or once again being cute ? Really want your responses

I'm assuming based off this #1322

I like 2/3 of that. Z25 and BoomFrog are also likely candidates on that team.

You do think Sab/Ran is the team so could you link me to why you think Ranmaru is a deep wolf? Did you make a post about him D1 I don't remember? Because if you think Sab/Ran is the team why are you saying this in #1301

I’m inclined to believe Ran is town due to how wrong they were and their confidence in this being a scum flip

I still like you more than most but I want your responses for these. I actually really like your #1349 because I think Z is relying way too heavily on the wiki (something unofficial and the host can disregard) to push against you. And that's my problem with Z, like just how he did my slot I feel he isn't using actual evidence or content to argue his points

I can post during the night. This is mod confirmed. Give me a role that can do that. There is none to my knowledge. My role is called the insomniac. That’s all there is to it. I don’t have any reason to call it something different, “UnLeSs Im MaFiA”.

 

[Pokechu]

Then you should pay a damn good amount of attention next time.

Maven made like 10 posts tops, I have probably triple that, if not more. No wonder why it be easier.

Super weak reasoning to trust Maven on that especially when you claimed to re read the t he was last night. Clearly you didn’t pay enough attention.

This post from Z is bad. Like it falls under the "potshots" I was talking about earlier. Like I get how Poy's Maven townread is seen a little weird but there's reasons for itl. Like you're the one who said I didn't learn anything from Flavorless but Maven played that game, was lynched D1 and flipped town. I don't blame Poy for just setting the slot aside and using the content Maven did put on the table. Belittling a player and saying they didn't pay enough attention is kind of OMGUsy. Like he can't have a scum read on you???? Why not??? LOL

 

[Jackrito]

How do you feel about their token and lynch proof claim?

If my theory is right and Osie gave out the tokens, would they give them to scum, or town?

If a host was giving them out I would assume they flavor town but more likely it is random.

 

[Wiisp]

man am I still wrong?

 

[Jackrito]

man am I still wrong?

About what?

 

[Wiisp]

maybe its just my uninformed paranioa
like usual
idk

 

[ranmaru]

I'm pretty confident it's Boom/UP at least.

 

[Wiisp]

Jackrito
everyone is just still all over the place
and I dont know how I feel about it

 

[Z25]

Can I ask what the point of these posts were? They both feel weirdly out of place. The first was opportunist and shading Sab for "defending" Ran (even though he wasn't really). The second was just weird and empty. Kind of devaluing Sabrar even though that's a genuine concern he made (that UP's insomniac isn't his whole role).

Like with the first, did you do it to be cute LOL or do you really think that Sab/Ranmaru is a possible team? And with the second do you think it's like TMI or something for Sab to be concerned with your role? Or once again being cute ? Really want your responses

I'm assuming based off this #1322

You do think Sab/Ran is the team so could you link me to why you think Ranmaru is a deep wolf? Did you make a post about him D1 I don't remember? Because if you think Sab/Ran is the team why are you saying this in #1301

I still like you more than most but I want your responses for these. I actually really like your #1349 because I think Z is relying way too heavily on the wiki (something unofficial and the host can disregard) to push against you. And that's my problem with Z, like just how he did my slot I feel he isn't using actual evidence or content to argue his points

You are aware Up is a player that routinely references a wiki as well right? There’s nothing wrong with theorizing or pointing this out.

Hell that exactly thing got you lynched in flavorless so why do you have a problem here?

 

[Wiisp]

you/ran/me
are the only ones really mindmelding?
probably should still just lynch Boom and go from there

 

[Pokechu]

Re-evaluating Jack, I think they are more likely to be slight town. Mostly due to them being present, their #170,

Can I ask why you found their 170 so good?

##Pythag

I'm not really a fan of how passive they are being asking questions of others but never really giving their own view on anything. When someone only asks questions and that is mainly it I see it as someone trying not to draw attention, but trying to look town.

I would also consider votes on Maven since he is doing even less and I don't have time for low effort players atm, sounds harsh but had too many lately. Also 3Dsninja their recent posts and reaction to things just seem really bad to me. They are other slight scum reads I have such as Boom and Sabrar but dont want to spread my focus too much just yet.

It's just a vote and some chat about how he doesn't like passive/inactive players. I think it's good to shed light on those kinds of players but I wouldn't say it's alignment indicative and I don't recall Jack really pushing forward with this vote and really really stepping on Pythag D1. But of course there's a lot I don't remember

No, UP is scum, you are town.

Okay. The only thing I could find where you justify me being town is #1397. Did you think of that reason during the Night? If yes, what was the point of your question in #1393? I doubt my answer played any role in your evaluation of me and I can't see any other reason why I would go from second scummiest to town-read.

Actually, these two posts make me feel like Sab and Boom can't be on the same team. Gives me pause. I don't think Boom would have flip flopped his read the way he did (Wiisp pointed it out in #1515) if Sab was his scummate. Like I think he would have been more consistent because the people you keep best tabs on as scum, are your other scummates. Considering, you know... you have a chat to yourselves and all LOL

You are aware Up is a player that routinely references a wiki as well right? There’s nothing wrong with theorizing or pointing this out.

Hell that exactly thing got you lynched in flavorless so why do you have a problem here?

Because that didn't get me lynched? LMAO like I didn't lie about my role. My role cop actually could check abilities and alignments. So you were right for the wrong reasons essentially. So my problem still persists, thank you thank you I'll be here all night!! LOL

 

[Jackrito]

Can I ask why you found their 170 so good?

It's just a vote and some chat about how he doesn't like passive/inactive players. I think it's good to shed light on those kinds of players but I wouldn't say it's alignment indicative and I don't recall Jack really pushing forward with this vote and really really stepping on Pythag D1. But of course there's a lot I don't remember


Actually, these two posts make me feel like Sab and Boom can't be on the same team. Gives me pause. I don't think Boom would have flip flopped his read the way he did (Wiisp pointed it out in #1515) if Sab was his scummate. Like I think he would have been more consistent because the people you keep best tabs on as scum, are your other scummates. Considering, you know... you have a chat to yourselves and all LOL

Because that didn't get me lynched? LMAO like I didn't lie about my role. My role cop actually could check abilities and alignments. So you were right for the wrong reasons essentially. So my problem still persists, thank you thank you I'll be here all night!! LOL

Can you please just vote me or Z25 you see one or both of us as scum, so not sure why you not voted either yet.

 

[Z25]

Can I ask why you found their 170 so good?

It's just a vote and some chat about how he doesn't like passive/inactive players. I think it's good to shed light on those kinds of players but I wouldn't say it's alignment indicative and I don't recall Jack really pushing forward with this vote and really really stepping on Pythag D1. But of course there's a lot I don't remember


Actually, these two posts make me feel like Sab and Boom can't be on the same team. Gives me pause. I don't think Boom would have flip flopped his read the way he did (Wiisp pointed it out in #1515) if Sab was his scummate. Like I think he would have been more consistent because the people you keep best tabs on as scum, are your other scummates. Considering, you know... you have a chat to yourselves and all LOL

Because that didn't get me lynched? LMAO like I didn't lie about my role. My role cop actually could check abilities and alignments. So you were right for the wrong reasons essentially. So my problem still persists, thank you thank you I'll be here all night!! LOL

Except it literally did play a huge part in lynching you? No one bought that role claim because it was absurd, especially if on a townie which it wasn’t. Like you can say all you want, it it doesn’t change the the fact that the wiki played a big factor in exposing you as scum regardless of your actual role

 

[ranmaru]

Pokechu That's why I mentioned it was slight town. It was a unique push, and it was along with them being active. That's it really. Why do you think it isn't alignment indicative?

 

[Pokechu]

Except it literally did play a huge part in lynching you? No one bought that role claim because it was absurd, especially if on a townie which it wasn’t. Like you can say all you want, it it doesn’t change the the fact that the wiki played a big factor in exposing you as scum regardless of your actual role

Okay so you still didn't actually talk about how it was right for the wrong reasons. So therefore it can be as effective in getting out scum as it is getting out towns, if you're blindly going around saying "this doesn't match the wiki!" and lynching. Don't like this post

Can you please just vote me or Z25 you see one or both of us as scum, so not sure why you not voted either yet.

honestly I feel like it's still dirty of me to vote when there's still so much I need to look over... seems wrong. I personally don't like voting when I'm not confident in what I know. but Z got me mad so here comes my strong, strong, muscles, man!

##Z25

 

[Jackrito]

you/ran/me
are the only ones really mindmelding?
probably should still just lynch Boom and go from there

How do you feel on Sabrar atm?

 

[ranmaru]

I agree with lynching Boom still.

 

[Jackrito]

I agree with lynching Boom still.

I'm good with that only not voting him because of how votes are already. Why do you prefer him over UP though again sorry if you said already.

 

[ranmaru]

For him defending Ninja over focusing on scumhunting Day 1; For his awkward vote on UP.

 

[Wiisp]

Z25
yo give me a read list

I dont really feel like doing this right now
but I would like

UP to post an updated read list

and I would like everyone's most recent reads on UP/Boom

 

[Jackrito]

For him defending Ninja over focusing on scumhunting Day 1; For his awkward vote on UP.

Ok those are decent reasons. I'm bothered by how fast he changed his view on Sabrar today as well it felt a bit unnatural he goes from being annoyed at him and voting him one day to town reading him the next. I think Sabrar pointed this out as well.

 

[ranmaru]

Wiisp Scum/Scum. No longer think Laser is scum.

 

[Wiisp]

I still think this game gets extremely tough/wonky if Boom isnt a wolf
#1684 I dont know how I feel about it

 

[ranmaru]

It changes nothing for me, since I still have his Day 1 in mind. I'm also feeling a lot better about you, by the way.

 

[Wiisp]

Z25
why do you keep bringing up my claim over and over?
what is your read of me?

 

[Pokechu]

Wiisp's "we should lynch Ninja even if he's town just to resolve things" I really don't know how to deal with. I can see where they were coming from, but I'm frustrated.

If you can see where he's coming from, why does it frustrate you? LOL

That sounds like a weak "haha!" I'm trying to push but I'm genuinely curious. What's there to deal with? Like what do you make of it? NAI? I think it's town because if Ninja was still here the thread would still be going in circles.

 

[Wiisp]

How do you feel on Sabrar atm?

honestly right now, I rather not keep spitballing things
I'd be lying if I said I've actually done anything in terms of making sure my read on him is correct, or of re-evaluating him
I would like everyone who hasn't commented their read of UP/Boom to state it
and if they already did, link me it

and if you get town reads, I want to know why

satisfied enough with Jack/Ranmaru
atm

if we hit a town here, then I will probably end up doing my due diligence again
Ranmaru isn't a problem because him being scum is literally only like an F3 world problem

 

[Wiisp]

There is where Wisp enters his super paranoid town stage
dont mind me
I am just slowly dying on the inside

 

[ranmaru]

Well if you have any questions, hit me up and we can talk reads if you want.

 

[Jackrito]

honestly right now, I rather not keep spitballing things
I'd be lying if I said I've actually done anything in terms of making sure my read on him is correct, or of re-evaluating him
I would like everyone who hasn't commented their read of UP/Boom to state it
and if they already did, link me it

and if you get town reads, I want to know why

satisfied enough with Jack/Ranmaru
atm

if we hit a town here, then I will probably end up doing my due diligence again
Ranmaru isn't a problem because him being scum is literally only like an F3 world problem

I'm actually ok with this atm.

 

[ranmaru]

Going to take a break from thread, going to eat some cake.

 

[Z25]

Okay so you still didn't actually talk about how it was right for the wrong reasons. So therefore it can be as effective in getting out scum as it is getting out towns, if you're blindly going around saying "this doesn't match the wiki!" and lynching. Don't like this post

honestly I feel like it's still dirty of me to vote when there's still so much I need to look over... seems wrong. I personally don't like voting when I'm not confident in what I know. but Z got me mad so here comes my strong, strong, muscles, man!

##Z25

That’s funny because I don’t remember saying UP should be lynched let’s kill him when his claim was different, nor have I ever used that this game as a way to lynch someone.

But if you want to ignore that and paint a false narrative have a blast!

 

[Z25]

Current reads:

Town:
Ran,
Sab
Wisp

Town lean:
Jack
Up

Null:
Boom

Scum:
MavenChu
Laser

some explanations:

Jack and Sabrar: both slots people seem to question. I still don’t have any issues with their content. If there’s more then two scum one of them statistics wise would probably be likely to be an additional scum. But I think the Op is worded to make us question more then we should atm and that it’s two scum. Might take a look at all of their posts and see if anything changes if I have time.

Wisp: The token claim aligns perfectly with what I thought was at play because of my role so I feel better on this slot. As I can’t see Scum be handed one let alone two tokens that can alter a game. That would probably be used against town not for them. They've been pretty active today so far as well which is good.

UP: Insomniac is just a odd role for scum to be given. Could they? Sure, I didn’t make the setup. But thinking critically on it, there’s better options to make scum look more town imo, so I can’t see that being a scum skill here.


Well first off thank you, I don’t have any problems with you as a person but I wanted to address the soulmate thing as that type of talk was just very common with your content, and no worries. There’s definitely a lot that rises from the social threads lol.
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I wasn’t saying those facts totally discredit you. There’s still content from you that offers actually insights. I just said that not everything was that. And my point about learning from flavorless was less focused on individual players and more how you discuss them. Putting UP as your soulmate included with your reads and little posts there as he pointed out, gives off a sense of connection or bias towards the slot. Not inherently wrong, but you saw what happened in flavorless. Your connection to him there got a mislynch that cost town the game. If a similar scenario occurred here and your scum again and UP town or even Scum, that connection bias kind of taints the discussion.

Essentially it makes understanding reads and points harder imo.

Your entrance point is totally fair, I could see your entry as bad and someone else could see it as good. My problems though are not directly because of your content but Mavens. I had him as a scum read before. As I said earlier though I’m not voting you today, I want to see if you can change my views on the slot so I’m given you plenty of a chance I don’t know wh


This is an interesting point to consider. It’s quite possible ninja not being used to the setup didn’t realize part of his role was hidden. Weather that means he was a traitor or something else we won’t know most likely. But I think likeliest option is he never realized what his full role was considering he hardly recalled the pm for it.

Z25
yo give me a read list

I dont really feel like doing this right now
but I would like

UP to post an updated read list

and I would like everyone's most recent reads on UP/Boom

I already explained my reads and your slot but you do tend to miss things when reading. Regardless I’ve been saying your town. I don’t think scum get given tokens if Osie gives them out. Which I’m 95 percent sure is the case based on the info we have.

I also already stated my claim, I am Bessie the delayed neighbor. However I have no items or skills to use beside being delayed. This led me day one to theorize items or tokens were at play, which is why I soft claimed yesterday and said I wasn’t revealing my full role yet.

So I’m curious, why are you still so torn on my slot?

 

[Z25]

Z25
why do you keep bringing up my claim over and over?
what is your read of me?

My above posts answers both of these.

There is where Wisp enters his super paranoid town stage
dont mind me
I am just slowly dying on the inside

Also for the record I doubt scum Wisp makes posts like this which is why I also feel better about your slot today.

 

[Sabrar]

I think someone stated before that role were randomized?
so I just think we shouldn't be looking too deep into them anymore
I've pretty much already dropped the mechanical read on UP as you can probably already tell

Who said that?

Me in #1444. Why is it important?

 

[BoomFrog]

For him defending Ninja over focusing on scumhunting Day 1; For his awkward vote on UP.

So, being unbelievably correct. And, (if UP is actually scum) being correct. I guess I have to get lynched once on this board so you can believe I'm actually this good and it's not TMI.