Jash
Smash Lord
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NYC weekly Smash Meetups at web2zone
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Xivk
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So...is melee and brawl gona be there or just one of them? (going anyway this friday)
Shinigami666
Smash Apprentice
Well I'm pretty sure everyone wanted and preferred having the weekly for Melee so why would it not be a Melee weekly? If you don't want to come, it's really your loss there. It won't affect the weekly.
Luck-NYC/NJ
Smash Lord
North jersey?
where north jersey?
Bergen county?
Everyone not from jersey get at me in any game.
Jash
Smash Lord
Lol alright whatever.
Alex Strife
Smash Hero
Jeez such mean people in NYC nowadays huh. Shinigami why are you so pissy.
Zro
Smash Ace
well some1 is a d!ck lol calm down lil fella lol
Can someone fill me in on what these are. Because I am from central Jersey, and I'm looking to get some good brawl practice in. The only place I really get some good practice at is at Rutgers and I'm interested in playing more people.
Doc.
Smash Ace
So come here it be fun
Snakeee
Smash Master
Oh yeah I forgot...I led you to the weekly thread didn't I? These are tournaments that are held almost every week (or at least every other week) in the city. Most competitive players in the tri-state area go to these at least once in a while. I'd say there's usually around 20 - 30 people there. They're really fun and you get great experience from them.
Also, can you play on Wifi later? I have nothing to do today I'm bored lol.
Shinigami666
Smash Apprentice
Lmao I'm not mean... You should know me. I went to your place already and we did meet(Mop's Bro) or you can ask crismas.. she knows me too. It's just that I got a bit annoyed.
Lil fella... lmao. Yea sorry bout that stuff but I tend to act in certain ways when I get angry... Do you know who this is by the way? I'll be going to the weekly.. so make sure you are there
Alex Strife
Smash Hero
IM me for details if you want to know
Xivk
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Can someone post what time the weekly starts? My friend here refuses to go with me tomorrow unless he knows the specific time. (*** >_<)
Alex Strife
Smash Hero
be there at 6 is a good time
Doc.
Smash Ace
BOOOOOOOOM
i wanna play brawl and melee i don't know what to do =(
i can't wait for brawl no more traveling to meet up with yah fools =)
because of brawl il be more active well online
and if im free il still play melee =)
i wanna play brawl and melee i don't know what to do =(
i can't wait for brawl no more traveling to meet up with yah fools =)
because of brawl il be more active well online
and if im free il still play melee =)
Xivk
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Zro
Smash Ace
lmfaooo its ok guy... i still love u lolLmao I'm not mean... You should know me. I went to your place already and we did meet(Mop's Bro) or you can ask crismas.. she knows me too. It's just that I got a bit annoyed.
Lil fella... lmao. Yea sorry bout that stuff but I tend to act in certain ways when I get angry... Do you know who this is by the way? I'll be going to the weekly.. so make sure you are there
Luck-NYC/NJ
Smash Lord
hey guys i got my name changed!
like it? its my actual smashname finally ^o^
the weeklies gonna be fun. i cant wait. MELEE FTW!!
hey doc, i know who that is in ur sig. GG ftw as well. ima zappa main have pity on me.
like it? its my actual smashname finally ^o^
the weeklies gonna be fun. i cant wait. MELEE FTW!!
hey doc, i know who that is in ur sig. GG ftw as well. ima zappa main have pity on me.
D1
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Alright so its settled for those that don't know. There's a Melee tourney this Friday @ web2zone.
Done.
No more asking teh same question in different ways, shapes, and/or forms.
Anyway in an effort to subside the the arguments and annoying little retorts that people still ahve concerning Brawl:
"Taken from the Smash Back Room after M2K made a huge thread crying about Brawl"
Posted by Kishprime,
There is nothing wrong with sticking to Melee, but don't make the mistake of thinking that the majority of tournament audiences will follow you no matter what is said about it. Yes, Melee will probably always have a following similar to 3S and MvC2, and I'm totally in support of seeing people host Melee tournaments. However, the majority of tournament attendance comes from the casual players who think they are the best in the world and wish to prove it. Without now casual players, there are no new tournament players.
Once Brawl releases, no one new is going to come into Melee. It's not reasonable to think that. We can't "go back" as it were, or if we do, we simply have to be prepared to accept 15-30 man tournaments again similar to the other fighting games.
You'll notice I've said nothing about the depth of Brawl. First off, we can not even begin to know what all is contained in it yet, so it is rather pointless to address it (even if we agree that there is less technical depth). Regardless, your question really has very little to do with depth. Only a certain crowd can appreciate the depth that was in Melee, and once that crowd has moved on, you cannot push people back in time to it. It's like Beanie Babies. There was a huge crowd around it, the value of the product was tremendous, and everyone was impressed if one had a "rare" beanie. Now, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone new who could tell you who the rare beanies are, and similarly you will not find many new people going back to videos and going, WOW, that guy was awesome at Melee.
Again, you are free to host Melee tournaments as long as you want, but the audience will dry up for it regardless. It may even go for another couple years, but eventually those who stay with it will be like the 3S, MvC2 players who are thankful to get 20 people to a tournament.
And another post by Lord HDL for fighting game enthusiasts:
Personally I think many people don't understand what exactly makes a good fighting game (or game in general). If you ask them, they'll use words like "balance" and "depth." Many people are crying out that Brawl isn't as good because it doesn't have all the techs Melee has. What people don't realize is that techs are not what make a game really good and competitive (although they can help). There are other games out there (ST being a prime example) that have little to no "advanced" techs and are very deep and take immense skill to compete in. The game developers accomplish this through good design in variety.
I cringe every time I see the term "mind game" being used. It's true, mind games are simply guessing games, often times way too risky for the reward. Secure, guaranteed forms of approach are much better most of the time. But I think a fighting game shouldn't be completely devoid mixups. ST has a rather basic formula. You got attack, block, and grab. There's no "super fireball cancel" or "hyper tension backstab dash" or anything of the sort. Yet the game's depth is still one of the best out there in fighters. The variety of moves and game mechanics accomplish this. I've played Brawl a lot and so far I feel it will follow down this path (albeit to a lesser extent, it still has some techniques).
Let's take a short look at a particular aspect of SF games. During wakeup, one character is at an advantage (the one standing) and the other is at disadvantage. Let's say Ryu was knocked down, and he wants to safely get up. The other person attacks as Ryu rises, Ryu does a shoryuken (a reversal move) to stop it. Next time, the person standing blocks and punishes the SRK, which is unsafe. The Ryu can then get up and grab him instead. If the opponent expects a grab, he can walk in and out of range and then attack, which in turn loses to a SRK. Notice how this is based on mixups (things that are not guaranteed) and has nothing to do with "advanced techs," yet it adds plenty of depth to the metagame. This is just one aspect of one fighting game series. This is not random, it has to do with thinking ahead, using option selects, and knowing character strengths/weaknesses. The best players still win and don't lose to random players who use random SRKs.
Not that Melee is bad, I love the game and the depth it offers. Who knows, maybe someone will wind up discovering a ton of unintended stuff and Brawl will become even more about guaranteed stuff than Melee and go against what I'm saying. But from what we know so far, Brawl is taking the ST route and reducing the amount of guaranteed BS. There is a reason ST has tons of formidable, usable characters in tournaments, while Melee only has like 4 or 5 tops.
By one of Smashboards long standing pioneers who landed a job @ MLG now M3D:
Honestly M2K, pretty much everything you've said sounds to me like, "My entire social world revolves around Melee and I'm scared that if I'm not good at Brawl, no one will like me anymore." I understand that you've pretty much grown up with Melee and that you have changed from a kid with hardly any friends that made a site about video game statistics into a pro-gamer that everyone knows and cheers for at tournaments. I can definitely see how Brawl could scare you. It's new and far less technical than Melee. Your strength has always been your precise technical game. It's possible that you won't be nearly as good at Brawl as you were at Melee and that you might not be traveling and making money every other weekend anymore and you're celebrity status will go away as new players rise to the top.
But... with the launch of Brawl, Melee is officially dead in the water. Your pockets were filled with cash and your ears with cheers from countless casual/competitive players that have already forgotten about Melee and will want to play the new game competitively. That's the nature of competitive gaming. You've only been around for one cycle so far. I've seen three or four come to pass and I can tell you that even though a handful of players will stick to the old game, and people will reminisce about the old times when the games were better and they had to walk to tournaments in the snow, uphill, with their TVs and Gamecubes strapped to their backs... even hardcore Melee players will move on. You can host Melee tournaments if you want, but new players won't attend. Eventually the guys that travel but don't win money won't be able to afford to continue to do so, because suddenly they've grown up, have real jobs, get married and have more important things to spend their money on. They'll also eventually get sick of losing to the same players after 10 years with the same game. Some of the other top players will even stop competing, because there aren't enough n00bs filling to the pot to make their payouts big enough to justify travel. Eventually you're left with a really sad little sub-community that just exists because some players just can't let go of "being the best," even if no one plays the game anymore.
Honestly dude, even if you can't be one of the best in Brawl, its in your best interests to move on to Brawl. Maybe it won't be the same kind of "competitive" that Melee is, but its clearly going to be the game of choice. New players will flock to it, the excitement at big tournaments will be huge and there will be lots of new players all over the country to develop friendships and rivalries with. Brawl might not be the new Melee, but Melee won't be Melee anymore either.
I think you are too quick to judge the game and I also think there will be plenty of competitive depth out there that we'll discover in time. Even if you're not on top anymore, you still have the friendships you've made over the course of Melee and you are still a really intelligent gamer. You've got a lot of doors open to you, but you've gotta know that no matter what you say, Melee is on its way out. That's just the nature of things and you can't stop it. Not even the combined might of the Smash Back Room and the current tournament community could stop it. So make the best of it and move on.
I'm not starting a flame war again or this will get locked.
I'm trying to talk sense to ppl who are being non-conformist to something some people have been rocking for 7+ years. Its not about ppl sucking and/or whatever other one-sides reasons you may have...its just the simple fact that ppl take change better than others.
Its always taht way.
And one thing people must always remember...its the casual gamers and noobs that help build up the pot for the people who have a better shot at winning. If it weren't for them you'd never have thick tourney attendances. Sure there may be tourneys chock full of mean brackets are certain tournies...but for hte most part most tournies have their fair share of ppl that suck and then a few "cream of the crop players" are usually the ones fightin for first place. W/o the casualers you'll never get a big healthy attendance...once Brawl comes out...all the casualers will jump on it and tourneys will explode in attendance. People who cling to Melee till the end...will have tournies the size of SSB64 tournies soon.
While everyone's having 60+ attendance @ Brawl tournies in the future, Melee tournies, whether you don't believe me or not, will dwindle in attendance.
Anyway those were my two cents.
I'm not fighting...cuz you know who I be.
I'm a peace lover.
Just leaving some knowledge for us to ponder on.
Like I said...no arguements please...I love NYC when no b*tchez.
Leo tape your MM w/ Justin W cuz I won't be able to make it since I'm heping Shin run the fest.
Done.
No more asking teh same question in different ways, shapes, and/or forms.
Anyway in an effort to subside the the arguments and annoying little retorts that people still ahve concerning Brawl:
"Taken from the Smash Back Room after M2K made a huge thread crying about Brawl"
Posted by Kishprime,
There is nothing wrong with sticking to Melee, but don't make the mistake of thinking that the majority of tournament audiences will follow you no matter what is said about it. Yes, Melee will probably always have a following similar to 3S and MvC2, and I'm totally in support of seeing people host Melee tournaments. However, the majority of tournament attendance comes from the casual players who think they are the best in the world and wish to prove it. Without now casual players, there are no new tournament players.
Once Brawl releases, no one new is going to come into Melee. It's not reasonable to think that. We can't "go back" as it were, or if we do, we simply have to be prepared to accept 15-30 man tournaments again similar to the other fighting games.
You'll notice I've said nothing about the depth of Brawl. First off, we can not even begin to know what all is contained in it yet, so it is rather pointless to address it (even if we agree that there is less technical depth). Regardless, your question really has very little to do with depth. Only a certain crowd can appreciate the depth that was in Melee, and once that crowd has moved on, you cannot push people back in time to it. It's like Beanie Babies. There was a huge crowd around it, the value of the product was tremendous, and everyone was impressed if one had a "rare" beanie. Now, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone new who could tell you who the rare beanies are, and similarly you will not find many new people going back to videos and going, WOW, that guy was awesome at Melee.
Again, you are free to host Melee tournaments as long as you want, but the audience will dry up for it regardless. It may even go for another couple years, but eventually those who stay with it will be like the 3S, MvC2 players who are thankful to get 20 people to a tournament.
And another post by Lord HDL for fighting game enthusiasts:
Personally I think many people don't understand what exactly makes a good fighting game (or game in general). If you ask them, they'll use words like "balance" and "depth." Many people are crying out that Brawl isn't as good because it doesn't have all the techs Melee has. What people don't realize is that techs are not what make a game really good and competitive (although they can help). There are other games out there (ST being a prime example) that have little to no "advanced" techs and are very deep and take immense skill to compete in. The game developers accomplish this through good design in variety.
I cringe every time I see the term "mind game" being used. It's true, mind games are simply guessing games, often times way too risky for the reward. Secure, guaranteed forms of approach are much better most of the time. But I think a fighting game shouldn't be completely devoid mixups. ST has a rather basic formula. You got attack, block, and grab. There's no "super fireball cancel" or "hyper tension backstab dash" or anything of the sort. Yet the game's depth is still one of the best out there in fighters. The variety of moves and game mechanics accomplish this. I've played Brawl a lot and so far I feel it will follow down this path (albeit to a lesser extent, it still has some techniques).
Let's take a short look at a particular aspect of SF games. During wakeup, one character is at an advantage (the one standing) and the other is at disadvantage. Let's say Ryu was knocked down, and he wants to safely get up. The other person attacks as Ryu rises, Ryu does a shoryuken (a reversal move) to stop it. Next time, the person standing blocks and punishes the SRK, which is unsafe. The Ryu can then get up and grab him instead. If the opponent expects a grab, he can walk in and out of range and then attack, which in turn loses to a SRK. Notice how this is based on mixups (things that are not guaranteed) and has nothing to do with "advanced techs," yet it adds plenty of depth to the metagame. This is just one aspect of one fighting game series. This is not random, it has to do with thinking ahead, using option selects, and knowing character strengths/weaknesses. The best players still win and don't lose to random players who use random SRKs.
Not that Melee is bad, I love the game and the depth it offers. Who knows, maybe someone will wind up discovering a ton of unintended stuff and Brawl will become even more about guaranteed stuff than Melee and go against what I'm saying. But from what we know so far, Brawl is taking the ST route and reducing the amount of guaranteed BS. There is a reason ST has tons of formidable, usable characters in tournaments, while Melee only has like 4 or 5 tops.
By one of Smashboards long standing pioneers who landed a job @ MLG now M3D:
Honestly M2K, pretty much everything you've said sounds to me like, "My entire social world revolves around Melee and I'm scared that if I'm not good at Brawl, no one will like me anymore." I understand that you've pretty much grown up with Melee and that you have changed from a kid with hardly any friends that made a site about video game statistics into a pro-gamer that everyone knows and cheers for at tournaments. I can definitely see how Brawl could scare you. It's new and far less technical than Melee. Your strength has always been your precise technical game. It's possible that you won't be nearly as good at Brawl as you were at Melee and that you might not be traveling and making money every other weekend anymore and you're celebrity status will go away as new players rise to the top.
But... with the launch of Brawl, Melee is officially dead in the water. Your pockets were filled with cash and your ears with cheers from countless casual/competitive players that have already forgotten about Melee and will want to play the new game competitively. That's the nature of competitive gaming. You've only been around for one cycle so far. I've seen three or four come to pass and I can tell you that even though a handful of players will stick to the old game, and people will reminisce about the old times when the games were better and they had to walk to tournaments in the snow, uphill, with their TVs and Gamecubes strapped to their backs... even hardcore Melee players will move on. You can host Melee tournaments if you want, but new players won't attend. Eventually the guys that travel but don't win money won't be able to afford to continue to do so, because suddenly they've grown up, have real jobs, get married and have more important things to spend their money on. They'll also eventually get sick of losing to the same players after 10 years with the same game. Some of the other top players will even stop competing, because there aren't enough n00bs filling to the pot to make their payouts big enough to justify travel. Eventually you're left with a really sad little sub-community that just exists because some players just can't let go of "being the best," even if no one plays the game anymore.
Honestly dude, even if you can't be one of the best in Brawl, its in your best interests to move on to Brawl. Maybe it won't be the same kind of "competitive" that Melee is, but its clearly going to be the game of choice. New players will flock to it, the excitement at big tournaments will be huge and there will be lots of new players all over the country to develop friendships and rivalries with. Brawl might not be the new Melee, but Melee won't be Melee anymore either.
I think you are too quick to judge the game and I also think there will be plenty of competitive depth out there that we'll discover in time. Even if you're not on top anymore, you still have the friendships you've made over the course of Melee and you are still a really intelligent gamer. You've got a lot of doors open to you, but you've gotta know that no matter what you say, Melee is on its way out. That's just the nature of things and you can't stop it. Not even the combined might of the Smash Back Room and the current tournament community could stop it. So make the best of it and move on.
I'm not starting a flame war again or this will get locked.
I'm trying to talk sense to ppl who are being non-conformist to something some people have been rocking for 7+ years. Its not about ppl sucking and/or whatever other one-sides reasons you may have...its just the simple fact that ppl take change better than others.
Its always taht way.
And one thing people must always remember...its the casual gamers and noobs that help build up the pot for the people who have a better shot at winning. If it weren't for them you'd never have thick tourney attendances. Sure there may be tourneys chock full of mean brackets are certain tournies...but for hte most part most tournies have their fair share of ppl that suck and then a few "cream of the crop players" are usually the ones fightin for first place. W/o the casualers you'll never get a big healthy attendance...once Brawl comes out...all the casualers will jump on it and tourneys will explode in attendance. People who cling to Melee till the end...will have tournies the size of SSB64 tournies soon.
While everyone's having 60+ attendance @ Brawl tournies in the future, Melee tournies, whether you don't believe me or not, will dwindle in attendance.
Anyway those were my two cents.
I'm not fighting...cuz you know who I be.
I'm a peace lover.
Just leaving some knowledge for us to ponder on.
Like I said...no arguements please...I love NYC when no b*tchez.
Leo tape your MM w/ Justin W cuz I won't be able to make it since I'm heping Shin run the fest.
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Alex Strife
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hahaha im gonna delete this thread soon so that ppl can post int eh weekly thread