Now that lucas is confirmed, is there hope for jiggs?

[freeman123]

I think that Lucas significantly decreases the chances of Dennis The Mennis being in Brawl. They're both basically the same person.

 

[Card]

Jiggs' chances are slimmed by Lucas' update. Some people operated under the theory that SSB character = always a smash character. With Lucas being a probable replacement for Ness, Jiggs' chances lessen. But hardly because there are too many maybes... way too many.

Here's an idea

Some people operated under the theory that Captain Falcon = Only man in tights in Smash Bros. With Solid Snake being a probable candidate for a Man in tights, and a replacement for Captain Falcon, his chances lessen.


The OP's theory is silly, no matter what angle you look at it. It's just as silly as my theory above.

 

[Dizzynecro]

Why is it being said OMG lucas smb64 rule no longer aplies! If you ever beleived that rule why don't you assume that they are both in?

 

[Dizzynecro]

plus earthbound is under reped so two chars would be good.
EDIT: crap why is there no delete post button?

 

[memphischains]

this has to be one of the more insane arguments i have ever read on this forum. both ness and jiggs are going to be included into the game, regardless of who else get confirmed in brawl. im not saying that once in smash alwasy in smash but it would be stupid to take out people who people use. ness does not have a clone either, and lucas WILL NOT have the same move set, if anything, it will be like c falc and ganon, and you could fight about how they have the same moves, but, they dont. when they have the same moves that means they execute the move at the same time, hold it for the same time, and recover from the move at the same time. ness is going to be in brawl, like it or not, and lucas will not overshadow a pokemon.

btw, amoung the point of these games, other than fighting, its supposed to bring characters from major headling games. the whole idea of smash was "what would happen if mario fought link?" and your stupid if you think otherwise. if they take out ness then there isnt any to rep earthbound, which are CLASSIC GAMES. YOU CANT EXCLUDE A CLASSIC CHARACTER FORM A GAME MADE WITH CLASSIC CHARACTERS.

its undenyable to say that every character in ssb is important to its series. no one without a clone is going anywhere. marth will stay, jiggs will stay, ness with stay, and shiek will comeback too.

deal with it

 

[the grim lizard]

Actually, this connection is perfectly reasonable. A Ness disclusion would mean not all original 12 are returning. The ones we have yet to see are Ness, Jiggs, Falcon, and Luigi. The latter two don't seem likely to be cut, but Jiggs...

I'm just saying, it's a reasonable line of thought.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Ness' chances are now 50/50.

All those people that think he's out, might be eating their words soon.

 

[Dizzynecro]

this has to be one of the more insane arguments i have ever read on this forum. both ness and jiggs are going to be included into the game, regardless of who else get confirmed in brawl. im not saying that once in smash alwasy in smash but it would be stupid to take out people who people use. ness does not have a clone either, and lucas WILL NOT have the same move set, if anything, it will be like c falc and ganon, and you could fight about how they have the same moves, but, they dont. when they have the same moves that means they execute the move at the same time, hold it for the same time, and recover from the move at the same time. ness is going to be in brawl, like it or not, and lucas will not overshadow a pokemon.

btw, amoung the point of these games, other than fighting, its supposed to bring characters from major headling games. the whole idea of smash was "what would happen if mario fought link?" and your stupid if you think otherwise. if they take out ness then there isnt any to rep earthbound, which are CLASSIC GAMES. YOU CANT EXCLUDE A CLASSIC CHARACTER FORM A GAME MADE WITH CLASSIC CHARACTERS.

its undenyable to say that every character in ssb is important to its series. no one without a clone is going anywhere. marth will stay, jiggs will stay, ness with stay, and shiek will comeback too.

deal with it

Just like how ike(new popular) will be in WITH marth(classic) but roy(was promoting a game) is likely gone.

 

[blayde_axel]

Just like how ike(new popular) will be in WITH marth(classic) but roy(was promoting a game) is likely gone.

I said that earilier... not in this thread, though. Roy's kinda iffy, but Marth's gonna be in. He IS Fire Emblem... kinda. Same thing with Ness/Ninten. That's like saying they are replacing Yoshi with Mario. (Super Mario World and the sequel.)

 

[memphischains]

I said that earilier... not in this thread, though. Roy's kinda iffy, but Marth's gonna be in. He IS Fire Emblem... kinda. Same thing with Ness/Ninten. That's like saying they are replacing Yoshi with Mario. (Super Mario World and the sequel.)

exactly, you can rule anyone out of anywhere because some new character is kind of like another.

 

[Fawriel]

this has to be one of the more insane arguments i have ever read on this forum. both ness and jiggs are going to be included into the game, regardless of who else get confirmed in brawl. im not saying that once in smash alwasy in smash but it would be stupid to take out people who people use. ness does not have a clone either, and lucas WILL NOT have the same move set, if anything, it will be like c falc and ganon, and you could fight about how they have the same moves, but, they dont. when they have the same moves that means they execute the move at the same time, hold it for the same time, and recover from the move at the same time. ness is going to be in brawl, like it or not, and lucas will not overshadow a pokemon.

btw, amoung the point of these games, other than fighting, its supposed to bring characters from major headling games. the whole idea of smash was "what would happen if mario fought link?" and your stupid if you think otherwise. if they take out ness then there isnt any to rep earthbound, which are CLASSIC GAMES. YOU CANT EXCLUDE A CLASSIC CHARACTER FORM A GAME MADE WITH CLASSIC CHARACTERS.

its undenyable to say that every character in ssb is important to its series. no one without a clone is going anywhere. marth will stay, jiggs will stay, ness with stay, and shiek will comeback too.

deal with it

...and your reasoning for all that is...?

Mind if I bookmark this post of yours and come back to it when/if it's proven wrong?


EDIT:
Just to clarify: The theory really is not that far-fetched.
You have to imagine it this way.

This theory does not pose a point in itself for why Jigglypuff SHOULDN'T be in Brawl. It's far too unrelated for that. Anyone can agree on that.

However, there have been certain doubts regarding Jigglypuff, yet some people claimed that "every SSB64 character will return", which made some of them 100% certain and is probably the most common argument for it.
Now that this theory is potentially debunked ( it's far from guaranteed ), the Puff's iron defense shatters.

So it's not a theory against it, it's the debunking of an argument for it.

 

[BoG]

Personally, I think Jiggs is in jeopardy. I mean, the Puff is not important to Pokemon anymore, and Sakurai may rid of it to make way for newer, better pokemon.

EDIT: While jigglypuff - Ness connection is good, anyone who doubts luigi is dumb. Despite snake's revealing on the dojo, I still think all other unlockables will be kept secret, and Luigi will be unlockable as always. Luigi is in the game.

 

[freeman123]

Jigglypuff may or may not return. Ness may or may not return. Nobody here knows. The people who act like they know, regardless of what side they take, are just setting themselves up to look stupid if they end up being wrong.

Even if Sakurai chose to replace Ness with Lucas, which is possible, we would have no way of knowing that. And even if he chooses to not bring back all of the original 12, which is possible, we have no way of knowing that Jigglypuff would be one of the ones not returning. Lucas hasn't told us anything. All we can do is guess, and we could do that before we knew Lucas was in the game.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

I think that Lucas significantly decreases the chances of Dennis The Mennis being in Brawl. They're both basically the same person.

DAMMIT! He's my most wanted character.

Anyway, Jiggs is getting in based on the fact that he pwns in Smash.

 

[Kirby knight]

DAMMIT! He's my most wanted character.

Anyway, Jiggs is getting in based on the fact that he pwns in Smash.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The only thing that warrants Jiggypuff's stay is it's popularity (which to this day although waning; has a good fanbase).

How good someone is in SSB should never be taken into consideration as to whether or not that said character should stay or not. Otherwise I could say something like Bowser is getting cut based on the fact that he was one of the worst characters in Melee. x_x see how dumb that sounds.

-Knight

 

[Copperpot]

If I recall correctly, Lucas was supposed to have replaced Ness in Melee. This had supposedly fallen through due to a lack of time; however, I find this to be somewhat unlikely. The differences between Ness and Lucas are minute, and I highly doubt that if Sakurai really wanted to include Lucas, that it would have taken much more than a model swap.

I'm thinking that there was another reason for why this wasn't done, most likely the delay of Mother 3. It would only make sense that Sakurai would wait to include him until Mother 3 was released in Japan in order to provide more marketability for the game (and possibly a future state-side release).

Edit: Pertaining to the topic at hand, I can see where the original poster is coming from. Though I don't think that it is entirely relevant, they were both a part of the "original 12", and I'd say that those two are definately the most 'replaceable' of the first roster.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Lucas may be confirmed, but that does not mean that Ness is eliminated. After all, it's 100% stupid to not let all of the original 12 SSB fighters be in Brawl.

 

[Link Sharingan]

Lucas will probably have Ness' moveset, and unless someone in the Pokemon series has a similar moveset to Jigglypuff and deserves the spot, I don't want her to go.

igglybuff and wigglytuff

not[/I] that far-fetched.

i hope that is not a pun

 

[Asuna]

I think Jiggs needs to go. Never liked her, never will.

I hate the weird pseudo-foreshadowing Sakurai does. It makes you think too much >.<

 

[silver777]

ignore this post.

 

[NeoSoul]

LMAOOOOO @ 'jpuff', 'the puff', 'jiggs'


wtf.... its jigglypuff, a pansy *** pokemon, beefed up for a video game... now if he/she/its not in the game so what, you'll still buy the game and find someone else to like...

 

[hungrybum]

Now that lucas has been included, Ness's chances to be in are very low, but what does this mean for jigglypuff? Since ness was in smash from 64, this may mean that all the original characters might not be returning. And jigg's popularity has been dwindling recently, overshadowed by pokemon like lucario and meowth. What do you guys think??

Jiggs overshadowded by meowth yay!!!

Seriously... I hope both are in even if i prefer meowth

 

[WoodyWiggins]

I think this may 'confirm' Jigglypuff. I doubt that Mr. Resetti has the ability to put foes to rest.

 

[Bassoonist]

This topic is based off of a bunch of assumptions. The first assumption is that Ness was factually replaced by Lucas, that could happen, and it IS likely, but it's not confirmed, and therefore everything else just seems ridiculous.

There is a chance of Jigglypuff not coming back. Sakurai really doesn't care about the "Original 12" as much as we do. Just bring back Luigi and it's all good.

 

[TBone06]

I really think Ness will be back, I dont think Sakurai would mention Ness if he was getting cut. Thats just me but I dont see it. Plus why would they cut him after 2 games

 

[MysticKenji]

There is a chance of Jigglypuff not coming back. Sakurai really doesn't care about the "Original 12" as much as we do. Just bring back Luigi and Captain Falcon and it's all good.

Spoiler

Nothing to see here.

 

[PhantomEdge]

I think this may 'confirm' Jigglypuff. I doubt that Mr. Resetti has the ability to put foes to rest.

this really could mean anything. for one t could be an item, but the most probable thing is that if you are close to resetti while he is lecturing, it is so boring it puts you to sleep for a while.. like belossom except it wares off quicker

 

[Jack of Blades!]

Wow this topic is based off absolutly NOTHING. Why would Sakurai ax Ness when hes been in the last two games. Why would he ax Jiggs for the same reason. Why is Jiggs even in question after this update, it's insane.

Now that lucas has been included, Ness's chances to be in are very low, but what does this mean for jigglypuff? Since ness was in smash from 64, this may mean that all the original characters might not be returning. And jigg's popularity has been dwindling recently, overshadowed by pokemon like lucario and meowth. What do you guys think??

Check your facts, Jiggs isn't declining in popularity, I believe someone made that point by discussing the videos of pokemon that came out last year, Jiggs being the second favorite.

There is a chance of Jigglypuff not coming back. Sakurai really doesn't care about the "Original 12" as much as we do. Just bring back Luigi and it's all good.

Yeah, when did he EVER express his care or lack there of for the "Origina12" never, thats when. Unless you talk to him personally lolz.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The only thing that warrants Jiggypuff's stay is it's popularity (which to this day although waning; has a good fanbase).

How good someone is in SSB should never be taken into consideration as to whether or not that said character should stay or not. Otherwise I could say something like Bowser is getting cut based on the fact that he was one of the worst characters in Melee. x_x see how dumb that sounds.

-Knight

Wow, someone can't have a little fun on this board and not get their *** chewed off when it's about a character making it.

Of course Jiggly pwning in Smash and me liking him, or any character, has no say in whether or not they get in or not. I like Jiggs and hope he stays for the competition in Brawl. No one can be as stupid enough to say "They ruled in teh melee gamez! they r cunfirmed" and be serious about it. I was just showing my enthusiasm for Jiggs to be in Brawl.

 

[pyrotek7x7]

This update does nothing but further solidify the chances of Ness getting back in.

 

[Black/Light]

this really could mean anything. for one t could be an item, but the most probable thing is that if you are close to resetti while he is lecturing, it is so boring it puts you to sleep for a while.. like belossom except it wares off quicker

If thats his effect than why didn't they say "he puts them to sleep"? All he did was say that it talks a crap load.

 

[Voraine]

The way I see it is this, if Lucas replaces Ness with his Ness's style of fighting and his moveset, albeit, updated then no one should have anything to complain about cause he'd be the same, aside from with a different sprite appearance, meaning there's no point in having Ness in the game. If this were the case, I personally wouldn't mind because I'd be able to go and use Lucas the way I used Ness, though obviously a few more tricks up his sleeve. However if Lucas doesn't have Ness's moveset then I don't see why they'd eliminate Ness. Ness was one of the most unique characters in smash bros. no other character really paralleled him and he would be missed by many fans. Also if Lucas does indeed take Ness's spot then will he use a Baseball Bat, or a wooden pole as shown in mother 3?

 

[vesperview]

The way I see it is this, if Lucas replaces Ness with his Ness's style of fighting and his moveset, albeit, updated then no one should have anything to complain about cause he'd be the same, aside from with a different sprite appearance, meaning there's no point in having Ness in the game. If this were the case, I personally wouldn't mind because I'd be able to go and use Lucas the way I used Ness, though obviously a few more tricks up his sleeve. However if Lucas doesn't have Ness's moveset then I don't see why they'd eliminate Ness. Ness was one of the most unique characters in smash bros. no other character really paralleled him and he would be missed by many fans. Also if Lucas does indeed take Ness's spot then will he use a Baseball Bat, or a wooden pole as shown in mother 3?

Quoted for truth!

 

[Ralph_Marquee]

Now that lucas has been included, Ness's chances to be in are very low, but what does this mean for jigglypuff? Since ness was in smash from 64, this may mean that all the original characters might not be returning. And jigg's popularity has been dwindling recently, overshadowed by pokemon like lucario and meowth. What do you guys think??

never lose hope

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

They aren't sprites

 

[WarxePB]

Back on topic...
Jigglypuff has a high likelyhood of returning, because it has an original moveset. Several people (including myself) thought that the Ice Climbers wouldn't return because they weren't that popular, but they're unique among characters, so why cut them? Same goes for Jiggs - it's unique among characters because of its focus on aerial combat, and even if it's not as popular as it once was, there's still no character that plays like it. So why cut an original and unique character?
Lucas and Ness are a different story, but that's for another thread.

 

[Jack of Blades!]

Jiggs was based about arial combat, and in a previous interview with Sakurai, he did IN FACT say he would like to put a little more focus on arial combat than he did in the last game.

 

[PhantomEdge]

Jiggs was based about arial combat, and in a previous interview with Sakurai, he did IN FACT say he would like to put a little more focus on arial combat than he did in the last game.

yes , but consider the fact that we already have pit, metaknight, and charizard confirmed and a few more flyers on the way ( ridley anyone?).. the point is we dont really need jigglypuff anymore, there are so many other cool and interesting pokemon that could and should take his place

 

[Fawriel]

I concur. Probably the only thing that's still unique about Jiggs is Rest.
With Pit, Metaknight, a hopefully much improved Kirby and many potential others, the wall of pain will not really be unique to Jigglypuff anymore, and she will only be another puffball with strengths that should really be given to Kirby instead.

I appreciate that it has a very unique style of play in Melee ( probably the most extreme "kill or be killed" character ), but aside from Rest, it really only has properties that could be given to a random other aerial combatant. And if Metaknight, Pit or anyone alike them turns out to have an instant-death move with severe lag afterwards, I'll be one of the first to salute Jigglypuff's departure from Smash.

Although I guess that's just the casual player in me speaking. Despite having a completely uninteresting design, I guess there are many who got attached to her and like owning high-tiers with a puffy balloon. So if she does return, I will not mourn, at least a lot of people will be happy about it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I really don't care too much about Jiggs, in fact I kinda dislike her, IDK why but I've always liked Kirby over Jiggs and guess what Kirby is already in and a new puffball is in (MetaKnight) so it really doesn't matter if Jiggs makes it or not