Not sure if rusty or if Melee doesn't control as well as I remember

[aLucidMind]

I haven't played Melee since a few months after the Wii's release, when I got Brawl. On both Melee and Brawl, I could use Fox and take out three level 9's, 3-on-1 with relative ease. Oddly, I took a several year break from Melee once and I wasn't rusty the least bit.

I can deal with the F-Air not hovering in Melee like it does in Brawl and the differences like that, but it seems like I can barely even beat a level five using Fox on Melee and yet have no problems with Brawl. I have noticed significant lag in when I hit the grab button and when I grab. I can't apply any pressure whatsoever on Melee. Or could it be my TV? I always played on an old SD TV, but I literally just bought an LED HD TV.

Anybody have advice on how to get back to being able to fix this?

 

[Twinkles]

the TV is a big problem. old CRT's are perfect for smooth Melee

You could be a little rusty, but check it out for yourself when you're not playing on a terribly laggy TV

 

[aLucidMind]

the TV is a big problem. old CRT's are perfect for smooth Melee

You could be a little rusty, but check it out for yourself when you're not playing on a terribly laggy TV

How do I fix any lagging going on? Because I can't dash-grab or dash into an Up-Smash at all; all that happens is I either grab behind the CPU or they hit me because Fox isn't doing anything but running

 

[Izuhu]

You can buy one of those lagless monitors like the EVO monitor for example, or you can just buy a CRT TV. You can find a cheap one online. Old classic games run best on CRT with Composite cables(The red white yellow cables)

 

[EPsilon933]

Use component/VGA cables for your LED TV. It'll cut out like half the lag

 

[Kink-Link5]

Or could it be my TV? I always played on an old SD TV, but I literally just bought an LED HD TV.

There's your problem. SD TVs are lagless because they just render the image data immediately, all HD's have some degree of image post-processing and thus lag.

I have noticed significant lag in when I hit the grab button and when I grab. I can't apply any pressure whatsoever on Melee.

Grabs are dramatically buffed and made much faster in Brawl (like 2 frames faster on average). Melee's fastest grabs come out on frame 7; Brawl's come out on frame 5 at fastest from what I recall.

 

[aLucidMind]

I'm not too sure what most cables are called; I'm using the Red, White, and Yellow cords. Found part of the problem; I had my TV's video setting to cover the entire screen and set to "Vivid". Set it so that the video isn't set to Wide and set it to Standard and the lag cut considerably. I think there may still be lag because it seems the CPU is still catching me despite the fact that I'm doing exactly what I used to do that would destroy any Lvl 9s one-on-one. Of course, it is also likely the dodging; it is a ton less fluid than I remember.

Now I'm actually able to barely compete against a Lvl 9 Bowser >_< lol

 

[darkatma]

Buy a CRT, it's impossible to play melee on anything else really.

 

[Izuhu]

Composite cables are the red, yellow and the white ones. Component is the Red, Green, and Blue ones. Check to see if your LED has a setting called gamemode, and put it on. That'll probably help a little bit, but if you really wanna play this game competitively you should go back to the SD TV. No lag lol

 

[EPsilon933]

I'm not too sure what most cables are called; I'm using the Red, White, and Yellow cords.

Those are composite

Component cables are the red/blue/green (for video) + white/red (for audio) cables


You'll always be getting some degree of lag on an HDTV, even if most people can't feel it. This might help you get close enough to lagless

 

[Deleted member]

for a game this precise, lagless is pretty much necessary.

get a CRT, you won't regret it.

 

[Eggm]

Yeah, don't listen to anyone about certain LCD's that don't lag, they all do. You can only play melee 100% lagless on a CRT.

 

[aLucidMind]

I must ask, how would Brawl be in terms of lag on the LED/LCD TV then? Would I still neet component cables or would I be fine with composite or would I still be better off getting a standard TV set?

 

[Twinkles]

Almost nobody here (being generous with almost) likes Brawl, but I would have to say getting a CRT would be best even for that game. Brawl does have something which kind of circumvents lag: 10-frame (?) buffer window.

 

[unknown522]

lol, level 5

 

[SypherPhoenix]

There are HDTVs that do not lag, but you'd be extremely hard-pressed to find one. For an HDTV to be effectively lagless for Melee the response time would have to be under 8ms. Additionally, HDTVs that cite response time are more than likely talking about their HDMI input latency rather than component (RGB) or composite (yellow), which is going to be way higher.

imo buy a cheap CRT from goodwill or something

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

note to everyone:

some crts lag. usually they're newer ones, but check to make sure even a crt doesn't have a 'game mode', otherwise you're for-sure going to have lag from post-processing applied. (they still lag less than an HDTV would, but the lag is still noticeable.)

There are HDTVs that do not lag, but you'd be extremely hard-pressed to find one. For an HDTV to be effectively lagless for Melee the response time would have to be under 8ms. Additionally, HDTVs that cite response time are more than likely talking about their HDMI input latency rather than component (RGB) or composite (yellow), which is going to be way higher.

imo buy a cheap CRT from goodwill or something

[COLLAPSE="stuff"]might want to check your facts/definitions a little there... response time refers to how much ghosting a tv will have, not input lag.

(and, we've had a thread before on listing lagless HDTVs, and no one could find one (and prove it)... so, if you know of one, listing it, or providing proof, would help us out.)[/COLLAPSE]

getting a tv from an thrift store is advised (and cheap!), though.

 

[DerfMidWest]

A lot of it is lag from the TV, part of it sounds like rust.
When I first picked up melee again (after about a yearish of brawl) it felt unresponsive and choppy, after about a week or two it felt fluid as hell and I realized that brawl is actually waaay less fluid than I thought and rather unresponsive.

For the upsmash out of run, are you trying to do them like in brawl?
Because it doesn't work that way in melee. You need to cancel your dash either with crouch or jump before upsmashing (canceling the jump with usmash whilst in the jumpsquat frames)

 

[Myztek]

Just try it on a CRT and compare. That's really the only way to know for sure. If you still feel rusty on a CRT, then you're rusty.

 

[R2_GP]

oh boy you have to cancel a lot to get back in the horse lol (playing brawl DOES get you rusty)
p.s: anything HD is bad for melee

 

[DerfMidWest]

HD is bad for brawl too, just to a lesser extent.

 

[Avalancer]

I used to use a Parasonic Viera TV (LCD) which had a Game Mode where I had little to no lag at all. I'm guessing about 2-5 frames of lag, barely noticable.

 

[ArcNatural]

I used to use a Parasonic Viera TV (LCD) which had a Game Mode where I had little to no lag at all. I'm guessing about 2-5 frames of lag, barely noticable.

I've never understood this. The way Melee works with very little buffering (if any in most situations). 2-5 frames of lag is very noticeable.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Yea I notice if there is even 1 frame of lag...
Its annoying.

 

[Avalancer]

I might try splitting the video signal into the Viera and a CRT TV to see if there really is lag.

I feel a lot of lag while playing Project M and it feels way worse when playing with P:M's Falco. The OP of P:M said every move has 1 frame delay, but I can barely imagine 1 frame being that noticable. I heard from yahoo answers and a few other gaming forums 2-5 frames is barely noticable. Melee is very playable on my Viera TV. I'm really not sure if it has any lag at all since it could also just be imaginary because of my biased hate against laggy flatscreen TVs.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Thats for games that are not based on fast button inputs.
1 frame makes a big difference.

And PM feels dumb because of a couple of things (namely frame delay and clunky brawl graphics)

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Yeah, don't listen to anyone about certain LCD's that don't lag, they all do. You can only play melee 100% lagless on a CRT.

all tvs lag slightly, but lcds ALWAYS lag more. hdtvs are impossible to play on. i cant even play single player games on ps2/gc on an hdtv it, it lags SO MUCH.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Yes, all TVs lag, but not enough to create even a frame of lag in the game, so yea.