No More Pedos - SMIF

[Skywalker]

A summary for the five of you who don't enjoy reading (shame on you=P): Brawl players deserve more freedom online.

A rant

The internet is a pretty **** dangerous place. I mean, look at all of the pedophiles and cyber bullies walking around sites like Myspace. And because these dangers, Sakurai can proudly bring us "Saturday Morning Internet Fun".

Sakurai firmly believes that Saturday Morning Internet Fun is great for the general Smash-playing community. Sakurai's assumption about Smash players is correct: We definitely are not old enough for a more comprehensive online. Yes, I definitely have to agree with him on this. The Smash community is full of two types of people: Little kids who mindlessly swear and don't know what a wavedash is, and middle-aged sweaty men who will do anything to lose it with a minor. There are no mature and responsible users whatsoever, especially on sites like Smash World Forums.

Saturday Morning Internet Fun solves all of these issues. Pedophiles will never be able to lure preteen Link players to their houses for some candy. We all knew this would've happened if players gained the ability to communicate. But we don't even want communication, right guys? Taunts are good enough. No one wants to have a friendly discussion with more than 4 phrases. "hey boy" "want to *** to my hous?" "i hav free wii games" "call (123) 123-1234"

By the way, all of that was sarcastic.

The point

I'm utterly sick and tired of the stereotype saying, "omg intendo players r babies lolz." We have a dedicated community, SmashBoards, that would BENIFIT from some form of freedom in online play. And for the record, taunt messages aren't even displayed when facing strangers. Do we really need that much protection? The Wii is not like the DS. Wii players just can't run to the newest McDonalds for some online action. We have to set up a wireless network to accomplish anything. I'm assuming anyone that can set up a wireless network is either old enough to play with "voice" or has given their children consent to play online.

As Smash has a highly dedicated online community, we should have something like Xbox Live, instead of Saturday Morning Internet Fun. I want to set up professional games, have a large amount of game options to choose from, and have a friendly conversation with the person which I am playing. Sakurai, I will not act like a freaking six-year-old if I'm losing. Sakurai, I will not entice little boys to visit my house. And Sakurai, I want more from Smash Online.

Support, oppose, or whatever. Just please discuss.

 

[NDUDE]

Hehe, SMIF. Anyway, what I really want is some sort of lobby or room system where you could find a challenger or even a full FFA with people around your skill level. Add that with voice chat (since it's fun to talk and point things out when playing with friends, or anyone really), and it should be good. We don't really need leaderboards. We all know who well be around the top...>_>

Edit: And nice No More Heroes reference.

 

[Dragonbreath]

I think that you're missing an important point: There's more to Brawl's audience than eight-year-olds, true. But there's more to Brawl's audience than College kids who play seriously as well. Sakurai has to consider the entire audience, not just us. Halo was aimed almost exclusively at a more mature audience, so they don't have that problem, which gave Bungie more freedom online. However, characters like Mario, Sonic and Link have as many young fans as they do mature fans. Those fans have to be considered.

 

[Skywalker]

Leaderboards would still be pretty cool. =P And thanks.

Dragonbreath, I respect your point, but I don't think that the more mature players should be impaired because of immature kids. Last time I checked, children-oriented games have voice chat on Xbox Live.

 

[NDUDE]

I think that you're missing an important point: There's more to Brawl's audience than eight-year-olds, true. But there's more to Brawl's audience than College kids who play seriously as well. Sakurai has to consider the entire audience, not just us. Halo was aimed almost exclusively at a more mature audience, so they don't have that problem, which gave Bungie more freedom online. However, characters like Mario, Sonic and Link have as many young fans as they do mature fans. Those fans have to be considered.

Kids in elementary school play Halo. Just because a game is targeted at one audience doesn't meant that another doesn't need to be considered. Obviously, Bungie and Microsoft know that Halo is popular and that younger kids would play it, but they went with the more open online system anyway. I think Brawl can, too.

Besides, with all the parental controls, safety warnings, and ESRB warnings Nintendo throws at your face, you'd think the parents would realize that they should decide what options should/could be turned off/on.

 

[Xanderous]

I think that you're missing an important point: There's more to Brawl's audience than eight-year-olds, true. But there's more to Brawl's audience than College kids who play seriously as well. Sakurai has to consider the entire audience, not just us. Halo was aimed almost exclusively at a more mature audience, so they don't have that problem, which gave Bungie more freedom online. However, characters like Mario, Sonic and Link have as many young fans as they do mature fans. Those fans have to be considered.

The ENTIRE audience includes EVERYONE, not just kids. The way Smash Online is set up is completely exclusive, and that's not okay.

 

[A New England Winter]

1: Let's not forget, it's not Sakurai's plan for online, it's Nintendo's. I'd bet Sakurai's thinking "Oh f**k. This is totally going to mess up mah onlinez. Where's Spiderman when you need him?"

2: I don't see what the big f**king deal is. Everyone and their mom and their dog is getting Brawl, everyone and their mom and their dog have heard of and are on SWF, it's not like you can't just Friend Code any douchebag you feel like and then challenge them that way. Everyone's going to be playing, so you never run out of people, and, if I'm not mistaken, which I probably am, there's supposed to be a Wii Friend Code archive website thingy opening up when Brawl is released.

3: Halo 3 and most/all XBL games have a really easy to use, friend code-less, and generally more fun online experience, whereas Brawl is counting on the tenacity of the players to achieve Friend Code so they can have a good online. XBL is done by people who have experience in the online field, whereas WiiConnect24 or whatever the f**k it's called is done by people who haven't worked with the internets that much. However, XBL has tons of 12 year old squeak voiced f*gs who whine and b**** about s**t. At least with the FC system, you can weed out all the whiny brats, not that you can hear them anyways.

 

[Skywalker]

You could always mute them, or better yet, insult them without actually insulting them. =P

And for the record, not all 12 year olds are losers.

 

[Tobi-]

It can't be helped. There will always be 7 years and what not online.

If you were 7 years old, I'm sure you would want to play brawl and go online just as much as everyone else. Remember the N64 kid?

 

[Tobi-]

(Crap double post)

hit post reply once and it didnt work.

 

[Gilgamesh]

I agree with you, we should discuss this in depth. I propose we meet at an abandoned pier tomorrow night. Go alone, and don't tell your parents.

Also, please be sure to wear something sexy.

 

[Brawler1432]

Hehe, SMIF. Anyway, what I really want is some sort of lobby or room system where you could find a challenger or even a full FFA with people around your skill level. Add that with voice chat (since it's fun to talk and point things out when playing with friends, or anyone really), and it should be good. We don't really need leaderboards. We all know who well be around the top...>_>

Edit: And nice No More Heroes reference.

Well actually if u saw the with friends update, having enough friends could easily turn it into a sort of lobby.

 

[Mikezor]

I don't think we needed another rant, but it was enjoyable I suppose.

 

[petre]

i agree completely with the skywalker. i would say you should start a petition, but those never do anything.

what i dont like about the online 'lobby' part is that you have no way to tell someone 'hey! i want to play a game!' if theyre playing with someone else. you have to either wait for them to finish playing whoever theyre playing and go back and check the lobby, or say forget it. and im guessing theres not going to be many people that just go on and sit around waiting for someone to be waiting for a match with friends. you pretty much would have to plan matches in advance. either that or get lucky and sign on at the same time as a friend you want to play with.

 

[geogaither]

Most of the hardcore players who want communication and competition are definitely in the smash MINORITY.
Personally, i prefer to be anonymous and to not have to listen to 13 year olds call me a 'f@$$*t' or something else dumb. Sure, the lack of online ranked/scoreboards will be missed, but for most people, smash is about fun, not competitiveness.

 

[Tobi-]

Most of the hardcore players who want communication and competition are definitely in the smash MINORITY.
Personally, i prefer to be anonymous and to not have to listen to 13 year olds call me a 'f@$$*t' or something else dumb. Sure, the lack of online ranked/scoreboards will be missed, but for most people, smash is about fun, not competitiveness.

Did you know, that some people think competitiveness=Fun?...

Also, I actually want to hear a 13 year old cry and moan as I rentlessly own him. It would make me laugh, and feel good to my amusement. Then afterwhile I'd stop from self-pity."i'm gonna get my brother on u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't care about rankings and scoreboards either. I don't need records to show how good I am. You should be able to mentally tell if you suck or not..as in..you get owned alot or win alot..or if you are both, then you are average.

 

[Super_alex2]

Thats the problem. Nintendo got so caught up in the "Casual" appeal, that now they want every 4 year old in the world to be able to pick up a controller, choose online, and go to "With anyone". If there is no headset or whatever then there is no need for a blocking of names. When we get on, for all we know we could be playing against 3 CPU's. Nintendo really does piss me off sometimes. Sometimes I wonder why I franticly defend Nintendo on fourms or even in real life conversations... stupid fanboyism...

 

[gigasteve]

I totally agree. If little kids(or big little kids, or complete *******, or curious kids, etc.) are playing, they should have limited access. And also, I think age and name should be optional.

 

[ApatheticApe]

Most of the hardcore players who want communication and competition are definitely in the smash MINORITY.
Personally, i prefer to be anonymous and to not have to listen to 13 year olds call me a 'f@$$*t' or something else dumb. Sure, the lack of online ranked/scoreboards will be missed, but for most people, smash is about fun, not competitiveness.

Personally, I would enjoy getting called various things, I can't help it it's so funny when little kids try to bring up valid points through swearing. xD

 

[EROY]

Sakurai, I will not act like a freaking six-year-old if I'm losing. Sakurai, I will not entice little boys to visit my house.

Most of those who would buy the game won't either. Your point?

I personally hate getting laughed at and humiliated when I'm losing, getting b****ed at when I'm winning, or getting yelled at when I pull or don't pull off some pro-tech move correctly or at all. I'm over 20, it's not just a "lets protect the little kids" thing.

 

[Vicious Delicious]

lol @ Skywalker's 4 taunts...

And I fully support this idea/cause. Nintendo is seemlessly forgetting the rest of their audience and focusing on the kids and casual/non gamers. Then again, they're also wanting more people to step up to the gaming plate and voice their opinions on games. So why can't they do that online? If you're having an awkward conversation with a 'pedo' online, just disconnect; the com will still play for you, and he'll enjoy a good match with a computer.

Even if that conversation is through 1-4 taunts.

Nintendo has to consider that not everybody follows the ESRB rules, and that younger gamers play games such as Counterstrike, Halo, etc., regardless of the rating on the box. They need to let gamers of all ages and skill venture online without a leash and make simple 'disconnect or don't disconnect' decisions. If someone truly is harassing you, I'm sure they could incorporate some sort of Block system into their online options.

All in all, Nintendo is having an unnecessary exchange between safety and fun and/or more features for the noncasual gamer. Nintendo could do amazing things with their online services; they just need to adapt to the ways and rules of the rest of the online gaming world

 

[NDUDE]

Most of those who would buy the game won't either. Your point?

I personally hate getting laughed at and humiliated when I'm losing, getting b****ed at when I'm winning, or getting yelled at when I pull or don't pull off some pro-tech move correctly or at all. I'm over 20, it's not just a "lets protect the little kids" thing.

I don't really take what some random guy says online seriously. Still, voice chat should at least be available with friends. I doubt friends are THAT mean...

 

[Tobi-]

If you are over 20 years old and can't handle swearing/name calling..

especially online...well..nothing.

Anyways, the point is, you shouldn't take what people say online seriously. they will tease you, but so what, it's just a game. It's called ignoring/maturity. of course, If i'm bored im gonna start spouting out random stuff and be really mean for no reason simply because it's boring to always be super nice

 

[EDreams]

This is what mutes, kicks, and the Wii's own very easy-to-use parental control system should exist for. But that's not happening.

Nintendo's online policies aren't going to change for Brawl, and it's not Sakurai's decision or his fault.

If i'm bored im gonna start spouting out random stuff and be really mean for no reason simply because it's boring to always be super nice

Things like this are the exact reason we have this problem :|

 

[bballstar23]

I don't really care about voicechat and all that, because I've had enough annoying experiences on Xbox Live, but I wouldn't mind talking to someone more mature every now and then. What I think they should do is keep "With Anyone" as a quick game mode, so you don't have to waste time finding a match, but also implement a leaderboard and lobby section as well. The leaderboard would help you see where you rank in the world, while the lobby would help you base your decisions on who to play. However, with this system the lower ranked players may not be able to get a game with anyone, which is where the "With Anyone" mode would come into play. I would also prefer a way to at least add friends without having to find Wii codes online. I just don't get how we have to suffer because of perverts on MySpace talking to kids who shouldn't be signing up for the site in the first place. It's the parent's responsibility to know what their kid is doing, and if they don't pay attention or care, how can they blame Nintendo, Microsoft, or any other company for that matter? It's the same argument with buying games rated "M." Instead of blaming stores for selling the games, why don't the parents look at the rating themselves when they buy them? I know plenty of kids who've gotten rated "M" games at the age of 12, and technically their parents are over 18, so they can easily buy them without any questions asked. These parents don't even look at the ratings, so they're neglecting their duties themselves, and should not make the gaming community suffer because of their own incompetence.

 

[EROY]

Anyways, the point is, you shouldn't take what people say online seriously. they will tease you, but so what, it's just a game. It's called ignoring/maturity.

Its easier telling me this, but try explaining it to a huge portion of the country that might have a problem with online conversations...the people of Nintendo are doing just that by saying "No soup for you" and thats thats.

 

[Tom-Sawyer]

I think that you're missing an important point: There's more to Brawl's audience than eight-year-olds, true. But there's more to Brawl's audience than College kids who play seriously as well. Sakurai has to consider the entire audience, not just us. Halo was aimed almost exclusively at a more mature audience, so they don't have that problem, which gave Bungie more freedom online. However, characters like Mario, Sonic and Link have as many young fans as they do mature fans. Those fans have to be considered.

What would be wrong with having voice chat? What if he implemented the ability to turn voice chat off? Wouldn't that appeal to both groups?

 

[_Slick_]

Being 12 myself (and not having a squeaky voice >=( ) I WILL be playing online and I will not be *****ing about someone "owning" me if they are.

Not all kids are morons, if you would kindly believe.

 

[Pegasus Knight]

This is a topic that is very dear to me, since it's all about the user's freedom (or restrictions on it).

It's true...there are a lot of jerks playing online. They're the sort who will "teabag" your corpse in Halo, scream at the top of their lungs, make incessant gross-out jokes, and otherwise make your experience miserable. Anyone who has played Halo 2 or Halo 3 in 'public match' modes online can attest to this. Heck, anyone playing much of anything online can tell you: "Yeah, people suck." XBox Live gives you the option to mute such players, which helps but doesn't totally solve anything.

And it is a problem. People can more vividly recall the rude folk they play against, than the polite ones. I have no doubt in my mind that if open communication were possible in Brawl, Brawl would be flooded with the sort of people we've already discussed.

But I'm against the closed-communication setup Brawl has for one major reason: I'm being penalized/restricted due to someone else's behavior. I don't go running around going about "lol pwned u h0m0 lolol" online, and I try my best to be a civil player...or if nothing else, an utterly quiet one. But there are times I want to talk, and I like how XBox Live makes it easy. I can use a headset, or an onscreen keyboard, and have a system-tracked list of friends. XBox Live gives me the freedom to mostly do as I like. The price for my freedom and convenience is, apparently, having to put up with "lolol ur gay lol *teabagging animations*".

That's fine and well for me, but I'm an adult and had my childlike innocence grinded out of me a long time ago. "What about the children?," people ask. I view taking a game online as basically the same as going to an arcade of the 1990s; you'll meet all kinds of people. If you're a kid, your parents should be aware you're 'going to the arcade', and either supervise you or be willing to live with the fact that little Johnny is going to learn about dirty words that let the devil get into your groin at age 9.

Of course, that's an ideal-world situation. I know full well that many parents won't understand what a "wi-fi connection" is, and be unaware that their child is playing online. I would hope game publishers can make this more clear, so parents can make a decision. Ultimately, I'm upset that I've been preemptively restricted due to the 'average jerk' online being what they are.

That said...my problem is a philosophical one. I've already pre-paid for Brawl. I'm eager to play online. I wish Brawl had the open-natured communications of most XBox Live games, but its absence is more of an irritation than a fatal blow to my interest. I'm onboard for this whole Play Anyone thing. Even if I am the guy sitting in the corner mumbling about various irritations, I'm nonetheless on the ship and probably having fun.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Wow, I think the thread is noble yet almost all wrong :/

People, let me lay it down for you.

I'm not contesting Nintendo's lackluster online. It's crap. No way to meet and greet online strangers, no voicechat for games that would need it, no good customization, Final Destination (etc.). It may be irrelevant to me since I don't game online, but I **** well know it's nowhere near the best. But let me let you in on a secret... Nintendo of America's lines about their online being weak to protect the innocent?

Bull****.

This is merely NoA's damage control for a largely Japanese way of doing things. Nintendo of Japan calls the shots on Nintendo's online. Why? Because Nintendo's online is largely made for a Japanese audience. Unlike us Americans, the Japanese don't talk much online, they're weary of strangers, and they simply don't use the same services we do, even though their internet is 253% superior. Thusly Nintendo builds an online to cater to them, not us.

Have a complaint about it? Take it up with Nintendo of Japan. Don't bother whining to Nintendo of America, they can't do a thing about it.

 

[Chexr]

The internet is a pretty **** dangerous place

I only read your first sentence but I can tell your entire post is wrong just because of it.

edit: now i feel dumb and stupid =(

 

[EDreams]

I only read your first sentence but I can tell your entire post is wrong just because of it.

Yet you somehow missed the sentence that applies to you:

A summary for the five of you who don't enjoy reading (shame on you=P): Brawl players deserve more freedom online.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Yet you somehow missed the sentence that applies to you:

LOLOLOLOL!

 

[A New England Winter]

...Where would the microphone headset thing even go, anyways? Did anyone think of that? 3 of the four control schemes don't have any ports of any kind, and to only have it on the single Wiimote would be a waste of design space.

If I could see your name and FC, like, even at only the beginning and/or end of the match, I wouldn't f**king care at all. Like, seriously, that's all, and it'd shut everyone the f**k up about this topic of discussion. Well...that and maybe a leader board or some s**t.

 

[majoras incarnation]

Besides the game is rated T for teen anyways so its assumed that:

A: the person is at least a 13

or B: the parent dosent care

and thats what "game experince may change online" stickers are for......my god i hate nintendo......this is me hearing about online:

DOJO: Smash is going online!!!!1

ME: WOOT!!!!1

DOJO: our online is nintendo style!

ME: -_-.....your jokeing right?.....crud

 

[Blu-ninja]

im gonna throw my..

"give us a rated E server and T+ server" idea out there again..

 

[Firebert]

It can't be helped. There will always be 7 years and what not online.

If you were 7 years old, I'm sure you would want to play brawl and go online just as much as everyone else. Remember the N64 kid?

I know at least one 7 year old who will be playin Brawl online the day it comes out!

 

[commonyoshi]

A lot of people are criticizing Nintendo for looking after the interest of little kids and ignoring the rest of the audience.

How selfish can you be?

I'll gladly give up voice chat if it meant my little cousin doesn't have to get yelled at by random strangers. It doesn't matter if they are going to learn the *blank* curse word anyway. So what if they learn it from their friends or television? Should we just abondon all hope and join in advocating it? No, because that'd be stupid. Anyone who doesn't see why we should put children ahead of ourselves seriously needs some growing up to do.

If there's ANYONE we should blame it'd be the parents for generally being inept at raising their children when it comes to online junk. Nintendo is just covering for their suckiness.

And stop whining about people not displaying names online. It's dumb anyway.
I can also see why they took out leaderboards. Older siblings often dont let their siblings play online because they dont want their precious record messed up. I would prefer them, but I see what they're going for.

 

[Xanderous]

I only read your first sentence but I can tell your entire post is wrong just because of it.

Wow, man. You're pretty dumb.

Nah, you're okay. Just read the whole post next time. I can tell you're a smart guy. Not a good idea to jump to conclusions.

 

[Firebert]

Wow, man. You're pretty dumb.

Nah, you're okay. Just read the whole post next time. I can tell you're a smart guy. Not a good idea to jump to conclusions.

I know that I've often posted without reading the whole post.