NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Arcanir]

If I recall, very few companies take petitions like this seriously, at least not to the point of cancelling their projects. The only thing this petition is doing is just drafting an list of people who just can't move on from the announcement, or at the very least, can't express their disappointments in a much better way.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Man nothing to talk about, though. we.........could..........................................and.........................................then........................
Hello peoples uf leek dread!

mah name ez Duf en I haz com 4 yur pizzas en golf. yus weel subitz to mah deamhands en tak abowt mi! I alzo got yur blu picmen. I dougnt chukl i rathe flex mah muscles.

 

[Curious Villager]

I wonder if this is Wind Waker all over again.....

Good thing petitions weren't the cool internet thing back then. (I think)

 

[TheAnvil]

-Squirtle and Ivysaur seem awkward to have by themselves when compared to Charizard

I'm not saying I don't want Pichu, but come on, are people really still saying this?

-Toon Link is essentially Young Link

Not quite...

 

[Khoru]

I wonder if this is Wind Waker all over again.....

Good thing petitions weren't the cool internet thing back then. (I think)

it's really not the same principle as wind waker because it kept the gameplay of the series up to that point, as well as the series not having this whole realistic grimdark aesthetic up until then, just OoT and MM. also people's expectations were tainted by the gamecube tech demo.
(also zelda has never really been neglected by nintendo, with its largest gap being that between LA and OoT with nothing to really fill it beyond the satellaview and cd-i games. wind waker came out in 2002/2003, with OoT, MM, OoX, and ALttP/FS shortly preceding it.)
i've also seen lots of people throwing around halo 3: odst as a comparison? and that's not the same because it plays almost identically to halo 3.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Hello peoples uf leek dread!

mah name ez Duf en I haz com 4 yur pizzas en golf. yus weel subitz to mah deamhands en tak abowt mi! I alzo got yur blu picmen. I dougnt chukl i rathe flex mah muscles.

So who's this "Duf" guy?

 

[Curious Villager]

it's really not the same principle as wind waker because it kept the gameplay of the series up to that point, as well as the series not having this whole realistic grimdark aesthetic up until then, just OoT and MM. also people's expectations were tainted by the gamecube tech demo.
(also zelda has never really been neglected by nintendo, with its largest gap being that between LA and OoT with nothing to really fill it beyond the satellaview and cd-i games. wind waker came out in 2002/2003, with OoT, MM, OoX, and ALttP/FS shortly preceding it.)
i've also seen lots of people throwing around halo 3: odst as a comparison? and that's not the same because it plays almost identically to halo 3.

Well, people did still regard it as the worst thing to ever happen to Zelda and desperately wanting it to be cancelled back then. (Good thing that never happened) Apparently people where even complaining about the Oracles using a cartoony design too despite that its visual design was borrowed from Link's Awakening..... which came before Ocarina of Time.....

I'm not sure, but perhaps Wind Waker's backlash was a little worse as more or less everybody was crying doom and gloom for the Zelda series with it, it was crazy.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I'm out see you later

 

[Khoru]

Well, people did still regard it as the worst thing to ever happen to Zelda and desperately wanting it to be cancelled back then. (Good thing that never happened) Apparently people where even complaining about the Oracles using a cartoony design too despite that its visual design was borrowed from Link's Awakening..... which came before Ocarina of Time.....

I'm not sure, but perhaps Wind Waker's backlash was a little worse as more or less everybody was crying doom and gloom for the Zelda series with it, it was crazy.

i wasn't around for that whole freakout (i grew up with wind waker, actually), but i've heard stories and can definitely see how it's comparable in that regard! i just don't think that it'll apply in the long run.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

If Pichu gets in can we have these as alts

Or Just make spiky eared Pichu his official art to further make him stand out,
And his alts could be based more so on the spin off games such as Mystery Dungeon and Ranger, heck he's already partially there with the Melee alts.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

What did I miss? Why's everyone talking about Pichu?

 

[DoodleDuck97]

This is actually very appropriate now.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

They were forgotten in the commotion but I think Nintendo should make a proper show with the Star Fox puppets.

Oh! Better yet, use them in Wolf's reveal trailer!

 

[Soul.]

Green Pichu is, and will always be, the best palette swap.
Goggles is a close second.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

They were forgotten in the commotion but I think Nintendo should make a proper show with the Star Fox puppets.

Oh! Better yet, use them in Wolf's reveal trailer!

The Starfox team puppets are dancing, then a life size Wolf (which will also be available as a Halloween costume this year) jumps out and says "Can't Let You Do That Starfox!" Then the gameplay is shown.

 

[PushDustIn]

I wonder if this is Wind Waker all over again.....

Good thing petitions weren't the cool internet thing back then. (I think)

There were a ton of signatures on that one. I know I signed it.

(I was young and stupid.)

Nintendo won't change a thing.

Didn't Nintendo say they were not affected by petitions?

"We do not negotiate with terrorist"

 

[Nekoo]

Fans are brats.

Like I can get wanting a Wii U Metroid and Animal Crossing but to hate on the spin-offs that a team of people put work into? Especially after they've now been explained a little better?

**** off and grow up.

Yes i can . It's called Sonic Boom .The people who make the game tried to explain for 6 month their game but it was still **** and is still **** , even Sonic 06 can be called a masterpiece compared to Sonic Boom and Knuckles on steroid .

Oh and look , we may have another Sonic Boom game for the 2nd year a row ! Great !

Even Sonic Boom Shattered Crystal was mediocre at best for a 2D Sonic Game . So yes . The company know what fan want but just never do it , they love doing the inverse .

So yes i can understand the fan of those series .

 

[TheAnvil]

The difference between Sonic and Metroid is that Sonic games nearly always suck ass.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

The difference between Sonic and Metroid is that Sonic games nearly always suck ***.

Most of the Spin offs also suck.
But the one thing they keep consistent.
Music. Fantastic Music. Except Boom and Chronicles.

 

[Nekoo]

The difference between Sonic and Metroid is that Sonic games nearly always suck ***.

Cant stop laughting sorry .

Let's see the most recent Sonic Games .

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric 32/100
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal 47/100
Sonic Lost World : 63 (59 3ds)/100
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed : 82/100
Sonic Colors 72/100
Sonic Generation : 77 (66 3ds)/100
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I : 74/100
Sonic the hedgehog 4 Episode II : 66/100

Witch mean : 64/100 for Sonic recent game with Sonic Boom .
72/100 For Sonic Main Series witch is good .
They may be not fantastic , but they are at least good platformer
( and still a ongoing series :^) )

That's not bad .
that's not suck ass .
Try harder next time .

It's may be a opinion but don't try act like it's a fact

 

[TheAnvil]

Cant stop laughting sorry .

Let's see the most recent Sonic Games .

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric 32/100
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal 47/100
Sonic Lost World : 63 (59 3ds)/100
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed : 82/100
Sonic Colors 72/100
Sonic Generation : 77 (66 3ds)/100
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I : 74/100
Sonic the hedgehog 4 Episode II : 66/100

Witch mean : 64/100 for Sonic recent game with Sonic Boom .
72/100 For Sonic Main Series witch is good .
They may be not fantastic , but they are at least good platformer
( and still a ongoing series :^) )

That's not bad .
that's not suck *** .
Try harder next time .

It's may be a opinion but don't try act like it's a fact

Sonic games have been largely miss since Sonic 2 on the Megadrive. There has been a few ok games, but most of them are ass.

Metroid games are very often praised as among the best games on their respective systems.

 

[Nekoo]

Sonic games have been largely miss since Sonic 2 on the Megadrive. There has been a few ok games, but most of them are ***.

that's totaly a 4chan low level b8 here m8 .

 

[TheAnvil]

that's totaly a 4chan low level b8 here m8 .

I like the character Sonic a lot, but come on man, he is completely riding on the accolades of the success he had back when Sega made consoles. SEGA as a company have barely made any good games since the Dreamcast went belly up.

 

[Nekoo]

SEGA as a company have barely made any good games since the Dreamcast went belly up.

Yeah ...Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 , Sonic Colors , Sonic Generation ,Sonic Rush series , Unleashed and Lost World Didin't count ...

Project Diva isn't one of their best Arcade game

Chain Chronicle isn't one of the best mobile game in Japan

Right GUYS ?

 

[Das Koopa]

#PichuNation is becoming real. Everywhere I go the Pichu army is calling the bannerman and sounding the horns.

An examination of vets:

Wolf:

+Popular veteran, a quality that got Roy, Mewtwo and Lucas back.
+Timely addition with new Star Fox game on the horizon. Potential for deals, like: "Free Wolf download code with SF0".
-Wolf was very low on Brawl's datamined "Priority" list, only listing above Dixie Kong among first party characters.

Pichu:

+Melee character at a time when it's good to be Melee characters. Doc, Mewtwo, and Roy all returned.
+A clone, making him especially easy to develop even with the inevitable tweaks he'd get.
-A self-admitted joke character.
-Gimmick makes him an objectively poor character in terms of playability.
-No sign of his data in Brawl outside of a potential iteration shift via Plusle & Minun.
-Pokemon is heavily represented as is.

Ice Climbers:

+Very popular veterans.
+Were intended to be in the game.
-Character can't work on 3DS (or most likely the Wii U version due to 8 player Smash) as is.
-Would require revamping, and Sakurai may feel that'd "take away" the Ice Climber's identity. We have precedence for this in how little he's changed Ganondorf.

Ivysaur:

+Unique concept and moveset.
-Not explicitly popular.
-Pokemon is heavily represented as is.

Squirtle:

+Unique concept and moveset.
-Not explicitly popular.
-Pokemon is heavily represented as is.
-Greninja exists on the roster, potentially taking Squirtle's place as a water pokemon rep.

Snake:

+Very popular veteran.
-Potentially just a one-time Brawl deal since he was a personal favor.
-Wasn't on the starting roster, making his status far less likely.

Young Link:

+A clone, making him especially easy to develop even with the inevitable tweaks he'd get.
-Risks overrepresenting one single character.
-Technically already exists in the form of Toon Link.
-Not very popular.
-No sign of Sakurai treating this character and Toon Link as separate entities.


Verdict: No veteran outside of Wolf has much of a chance unless we're getting a lot more DLC than we expected. In which case;

Wolf > Ivysaur > Squirtle > Pichu > Ice Climbers > Snake > Young Link

 

[TheAnvil]

To change the subject some, do you guys envision any more 3rd Party characters being DLC? If so, who?

My brother keeps going on about how he thinks Ryo (from Shenmue) has a "real shot" at being a character, despite me telling him that Shenmue has never been released on a Nintendo system. Not that it wouldn't be cool.

I actually think more than ever with the deal between Amiibo and Skylanders that Spyro is one with a genuine chance of becoming a character in Smash in the future.

@ Nekoo You seem to have me confused with someone who doesn't like Sonic. Sonic is one of my all time favorite video game characters. I prefer him to Samus/Metroid tenfold. It's really a case of nostalgia > quality though.

 

[Naoshi]

Cant stop laughting sorry .

Let's see the most recent Sonic Games .

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric 32/100
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal 47/100
Sonic Lost World : 63 (59 3ds)/100
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed : 82/100
Sonic Colors 72/100
Sonic Generation : 77 (66 3ds)/100
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I : 74/100
Sonic the hedgehog 4 Episode II : 66/100

Witch mean : 64/100 for Sonic recent game with Sonic Boom .
72/100 For Sonic Main Series witch is good .
They may be not fantastic , but they are at least good platformer
( and still a ongoing series :^) )

That's not bad .
that's not suck *** .
Try harder next time .

It's may be a opinion but don't try act like it's a fact

>Using metacritic score as a counterpoint

Sonic 4 Episode 1 may had a good metacritic score, but it was widely disliked by many people.


As far as console releases goes, Sonic Colors, Generations and the racing games were the only ones that were received well by everyone. The rest not so much. Sonic had a few good 3 years in recent years and then went back to the ****ter.

 

[Nekoo]

@ TheAnvil The problem is the way you say all Sonic Game Suck or they not , but no problem man , gotta go fast

For the 3RD party ... i dunno , Snake or Banjo-Kazooie or Shantae

But after what say Sakurai , i feel like we will not have any more vet back

 

[Naoshi]

@ TheAnvil The problem is the way you say all Sonic Game Suck or they not , but no problem man , gotta go fast

He didn't say they all suck lol

 

[Nekoo]

He didn't say they all suck lol

The difference between Sonic and Metroid is that Sonic games nearly always suck ***.

 

[AreJay25]

To change the subject some, do you guys envision any more 3rd Party characters being DLC? If so, who?

My brother keeps going on about how he thinks Ryo (from Shenmue) has a "real shot" at being a character, despite me telling him that Shenmue has never been released on a Nintendo system. Not that it wouldn't be cool.

I actually think more than ever with the deal between Amiibo and Skylanders that Spyro is one with a genuine chance of becoming a character in Smash in the future.

@ Nekoo You seem to have me confused with someone who doesn't like Sonic. Sonic is one of my all time favorite video game characters. I prefer him to Samus/Metroid tenfold. It's really a case of nostalgia > quality though.

No bias but I feel like the only one with any real chance right now is Rayman. Spyro's chances probably went up a little, but if it isn't classic Spyro, keep him the **** out.

 

[Naoshi]

Nearly always =/= All

Keyword: Nearly


EDIT: The quote disappeared but ok

 

[Das Koopa]

To change the subject some, do you guys envision any more 3rd Party characters being DLC? If so, who?

My brother keeps going on about how he thinks Ryo (from Shenmue) has a "real shot" at being a character, despite me telling him that Shenmue has never been released on a Nintendo system. Not that it wouldn't be cool.

I actually think more than ever with the deal between Amiibo and Skylanders that Spyro is one with a genuine chance of becoming a character in Smash in the future.

I really, really don't. The game has four third parties as is, and they're all very iconic and well-known at least within the gaming community. What're the most popular characters right now that are third-party? Shovel Knight, Bayonetta, and Banjo-Kazooie.

-Shovel Knight doesn't have a JP release. (As far as I know?)
-Bayonetta is assuredly too sexual for the game if a Tharja trophy was.
-Banjo Kazooie would have a myriad of licensing nightmares.

Rayman has an outside chance, imo. Licensing wouldn't be a problem, he fits the tone of the game, and he has plenty of moveset potential. I don't believe that's a surefire shot and I find it unlikely to suggest that the Dev Team is working on two third parties as their newcomers. He'd need to do well in the ballot.

 

[TheAnvil]

@ Das Koopa Pokemon is not heavily represented at all. In prior games Pokemon has had roughly 1/6 of the total roster dedicated to it.

Smash 64 = 2/12 = 1/6
Melee = 4/25 = 1/6 (r.25)
Brawl = 6/39 = 1/6 (r.5)
U/3DS = 6/55* = 1/9(r.17) (Including 3 Mii Fighters and DLC characters)

EDIT: If all 3 vets came back, it would be back to 1/6(r.1).
If anything it's greatly under represented. Not to mention Fire Emblem.

 

[Das Koopa]

@ Das Koopa Pokemon is not heavily represented at all. In prior games Pokemon has had roughly 1/6 of the total roster dedicated to it.

Smash 64 = 2/12 = 1/6
Melee = 4/25 = 1/6 (r.25)
Brawl = 6/39 = 1/6 (r.5)
U/3DS = 6/55* = 1/9(r.17) (Including 3 Mii Fighters and DLC characters)

If anything it's greatly under represented. Not to mention Fire Emblem.

Hm, interesting

Doesn't really change the ranking, though. The Pokemon are always going to be more likely than the "Bottom 3", and Wolf is probably going to stay more likely than anybody else.

My bigger concern with Squirtle/Ivysaur is integrating them into their own characters. They'd have moveset changes like Charizard and need additional balancing to make up for not being a trio anymore, and I don't how how much work that'd take compared to the tweaks they did to Roy.

Edit:

Satan +1 post

 

[TheAnvil]

Hm, interesting

Doesn't really change the ranking, though. The Pokemon are always going to be more likely than the "Bottom 3", and Wolf is probably going to stay more likely than anybody else.

My bigger concern with Squirtle/Ivysaur is integrating them into their own characters. They'd have moveset changes like Charizard and need additional balancing to make up for not being a trio anymore, and I don't how how much work that'd take compared to the tweaks they did to Roy.

Edit:

Satan +1 post

Honestly the only major drawback that Ivysaur and Squirtle have right now is that they're basically a package deal. We're unlikely to see one without the other.

I don't think their balancing is any concern, all characters have to be balanced after all. Pokemon are always going to sell so I don't have any concern over their ability to sell either.

I think after FE got 5 characters, "this series already has x number of characters" is not going to be a valid reason as to why another character won't get in.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I'd go for an all Pokémon DLC trio Pack.
Regardless of the fact that I want Grovyle to get in.
Poor Red. May his soul rest easy......

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I went and checked the timeline on the direct, they spent 10 minutes talking about Mario Maker and 4 talking about Yoshi's Woolly World. That's more than a quarter of the whole thing about games we already know about.

 

[LIQUID12A]

To change the subject some, do you guys envision any more 3rd Party characters being DLC? If so, who?

My brother keeps going on about how he thinks Ryo (from Shenmue) has a "real shot" at being a character, despite me telling him that Shenmue has never been released on a Nintendo system. Not that it wouldn't be cool.

I actually think more than ever with the deal between Amiibo and Skylanders that Spyro is one with a genuine chance of becoming a character in Smash in the future.

@ Nekoo You seem to have me confused with someone who doesn't like Sonic. Sonic is one of my all time favorite video game characters. I prefer him to Samus/Metroid tenfold. It's really a case of nostalgia > quality though.

Honestly, the only two I see happening are Snake or Rayman.

Snake has veteran status, though the Konami issues hold him back somewhat.

Rayman has three trophies already, and he's held back by relationships with Ubisoft(Legends incident much).

 

[epicmartin7]

-Wolf was very low on Brawl's datamined "Priority" list, only listing above Dixie Kong among first party characters.

Do you know where I can find the list? Just kind of curious on what characters are in which order XD.