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Well that's because Bern in general did nothing wrong, clearly. Just like at them compared to Roy's army.
Clearly Bern was on the right side. :p

Anyway, it's funny that your well past chapter 16 in your game, meanwhile,, in FE4 I'm still on chapter 2.(And all because I had to restart it because I didn't know a certain someone was recruitable.)

And to be fair there's basically five chapters for both stories, it's just that the maps are so gigantic they mine as well be multiple chapters in one.
It's more that I've had already played the first 10 chapters before so I just skipped all dialogue until it and knew what I was doing and what to expect(*cough*asshole reinforcements*cough*)

Also, **** Chapter 16x, let's go over the list of bull**** it presents to us:
>5 mages with Siege Tomes, 1 Sage, 2 Mages and 2 Bishops
>Silence Staff because **** you
>Boss has a Berserk Staff with 20 range that has 100% hit against low Res units
>Map forces you to step in the range of every previously mentioned weapon for turns thanks to ots layout

Well, at least I managed to turn the Berserk staff against them and got the Sacae route, I hear it's better than the Ili--
>Giant FoW map
I'm gonna go play Touhou 8 on the hardest difficulty with 1 life because that's less stressing than this bull****
But you're whole reasoning for him being so damaging was because of his status and size. My point is that hardly anyone is being politically influenced by him, he's no big political speaker or anything, he says his opinion on his own terms on his own time. In places where saying his political opinion is would be appropriate, it's not like he's doing it on his own channel where most people actually pay attention to him.


And already you contradict yourself. My point is that what he says hardly sway people, most people already have a defined political opinion by this point. What Jontron has said has been said before, if people are swayed in that direction they either love JonTron a bit too much, or they're new to politics.


You can't stop people from coming to their own conclusions. This is only coming from your PoV, I say let people speak freely. This is no better than conservatives complaining about how so many celebrities are left wing and just "adding to the damage". A celebrity is only the devil when they have a different political view after all, when they do agree they're highly praised.
When conservatives complain about this stuff, it's about how celebrities support BLM or the Women's March while here, Jon has made outright offensive comments.
The point is, he gives those people a voice, not that people are swayed to a side
 

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Long story short....Nintendo can do basically anything they wanted with the Mario brand and get away with it, which is why spinoffs like Mario Kart are so popular....

Metroid....is nowhere near as malleable...


That's all I'll say on the matter...
 

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Oh, so I found out what the whole JonTron stuff was all about
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Yeah... there's no justification to defending him, Jon is digging a very deep hole
But as long as he keeps that bull**** away from his videos, I'm still gonna watch them, he's still an ******* but a funny *******
Have you considered this person might be twisting his words or leaving information/context out?
 

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Even if he said some of those things, he isn't completely wrong

There is a reason they have "White Feminists" and "Intersectional Feminists" and the Intersectional Feminists believe White Feminists are bad people, for example
 

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Long story short....Nintendo can do basically anything they wanted with the Mario brand and get away with it, which is why spinoffs like Mario Kart are so popular....

Metroid....is nowhere near as malleable...


That's all I'll say on the matter...
MK should be popular tho imo. It's great.

The sports and party games happen too often and I feel like they sell too much. Mario's brand power is too strong lol.

(still hate how Odyssey has this many views while BotW hasn't reached 10mill yet despite being a much better trailer than the one that did reach 10m...)
 

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But you're whole reasoning for him being so damaging was because of his status and size. My point is that hardly anyone is being politically influenced by him, he's no big political speaker or anything, he says his opinion on his own terms on his own time. In places where saying his political opinion is would be appropriate, it's not like he's doing it on his own channel where most people actually pay attention to him.


And already you contradict yourself. My point is that what he says hardly sway people, most people already have a defined political opinion by this point. What Jontron has said has been said before, if people are swayed in that direction they either love JonTron a bit too much, or they're new to politics.


You can't stop people from coming to their own conclusions. This is only coming from your PoV, I say let people speak freely. This is no better than conservatives complaining about how so many celebrities are left wing and just "adding to the damage". A celebrity is only the devil when they have a different political view after all, when they do agree they're highly praised.
Of course he can speak freely. Just because I heavily disagree with his views doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to speak.

But just as much as he's able to freely speak his views, I, and many others are free to criticize and push back against them. It doesn't matter if he's not doing it on his channel, or that he's not a political speaker. He's still spreading his views regardless. If he wishes for them to not be challenged, he should do it in a private area, rather than out in the open for anyone to see.
 
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When conservatives complain about this stuff, it's about how celebrities support BLM or the Women's March while here, Jon has made outright offensive comments.
The point is, he gives those people a voice, not that people are swayed to a side
Conservatives complain about those two movements due to both having having ill intended or even criminal histories behind them. Take two heads of the women's march for instance, one(Donna Hylton) is a criminal responsible for torching and sexually abusing a gay man(he was a con artist, but that is not a justification) for 15 days straight leading to his death, with no signs of remorse or regret to this day. While the other(Linda Sarsour) believes in implementing Sharia Law which is about as patriarchal and misogynistic as you can get. That's why in their perspective we seem so insane.

Say what you want about JonTron, I'm not against you being against what he's saying, my whole argument is that he's not causing much political influence aside from people who already agree and pay attention to those outlets in the first place. The way Kurri ★ Kurri ★ expressed it especially made it sound as if he shouldn't be able to speak at all due to him being a political influence. I don't even agree with him, I'm left wing, however, I don't like my own side to seem close minded and quick to shut others out. I'm willing to understand why he's saying the things he says, and I could see why.
 

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Of course he can speak freely. Just because I heavily disagree with his views doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to speak.

But just as much as he's able to freely speak his views, I, and many others are free to criticize and push back against them. It doesn't matter if he's not doing it on his channel, or that he's not a political speaker. He's still spreading his views regardless. If he wishes for them to not be challenged, he should do it in a private area, rather than out in the open for anyone to see.
I dont think he cares if his views are challanged. he said he doesnt care in the stream on youtube
 

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So I got Overwatch and, after downloading a 3+ hour update, played it for the first time.
2016 Game of the Year, a game literally everyone was raving about when it launched and is still talking about today, over six months since its release.
There's no doubt that it's better than Call of Duty. I can't defend that series, period. It's dreadful.
Overwatch, from what I've experienced, is definitely a good game. The characters are all interesting to play as, the artstyle is just beautiful, and the maps are varied and also pop. Maybe I'm just not into it yet, though, because I feel that the entire experience has underwhelmed me so far. Where am I going wrong?
you don't like baby shooters
 

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Y'know, Whenever I catch a ralts in the wild and want a female I get a male. I usually go for better nature over gender unless they have physical differences or different evolutions.

But now that I'm breeding trying to get a male, I only get females. (Because the males have different evolutions and I need that OTHER evolution)
 

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Conservatives complain about those two movements due to both having having ill intended or even criminal histories behind them. Take two heads of the women's march for instance, one(Donna Hylton) is a criminal responsible for torching and sexually abusing a gay man(he was a con artist, but that is not a justification) for 15 days straight leading to his death, with no signs of remorse or regret to this day. While the other(Linda Sarsour) believes in implementing Sharia Law which is about as patriarchal and misogynistic as you can get. That's why in their perspective we seem so insane.

Say what you want about JonTron, I'm not against you being against what he's saying, my whole argument is that he's not causing much political influence aside from people who already agree and pay attention to those outlets in the first place. The way Kurri ★ Kurri ★ expressed it especially made it sound as if he shouldn't be able to speak at all due to him being a political influence. I don't even agree with him, I'm left wing, however, I don't like my own side to seem close minded and quick to shut others out. I'm willing to understand why he's saying the things he says, and I could see why.
If I expressed it that way, I apologize. You should still be able to speak regardless of your political ideology. All I'm saying is that, just because he's free to express them, doesn't mean I or anyone else isn't free to critic them.

Anyone is free to say that Climate Change is a hoax, and I'm free to push back against that. They are also free to push back against my ideas.

I dont think he cares if his views are challanged. he said he doesnt care in the stream on youtube
That still doesn't mean you can't challenge them. You may not be able to change his views, but perhaps by challenging them, someone else could learn or become more aware of something

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Of course he can speak freely. Just because I heavily disagree with his views doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to speak.

But just as much as he's able to freely speak his views, I, and many others are free to criticize and push back against them. It doesn't matter if he's not doing it on his channel, or that he's not a political speaker. He's still spreading his views regardless. If he wishes for them to not be challenged, he should do it in a private area, rather than out in the open for anyone to see.
He isn't being challenged though.

He's straight up being called a Nazi and insulted. I mean look at some of the comments in this thread. Some users have called him a terrible person over this.

The issue was never just disagreement. It's demonizing him and his views that most have issue with.
 

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If I expressed it that way, I apologize. You should still be able to speak regardless of your political ideology. All I'm saying is that, just because he's free to express them, doesn't mean I or anyone else isn't free to critic them.

Anyone is free to say that Climate Change is a hoax, and I'm free to push back against that. They are also free to push back against my ideas.


That still doesn't mean you can't challenge them. You may not be able to change his views, but perhaps by challenging them, someone else could learn or become more aware of something

Almost forgot:
What did you eat for breakfast everyone?
Coffee and two English muffins over here.
 

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He isn't being challenged though.

He's straight up being called a Nazi and insulted. I mean look at some of the comments in this thread. Some users have called him a terrible person over this.

The issue was never just disagreement. It's demonizing him and his views that most have issue with.
It's worse than that, people are actually throwing around the word Nazi to justify violence against people

 
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I added 1 more character to my rpg that way the party swap menu would look better.

There'd be a detailed column of the 5 active party members showing their level, hp and mp totals on the left and then on the right side would be a 4x4 block showing all the other available party members headshots.

The rpg would also have an artstyle similar to Wind Wakers but 2D.
 

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He isn't being challenged though.

He's straight up being called a Nazi and insulted. I mean look at some of the comments in this thread. Some users have called him a terrible person over this.

The issue was never just disagreement. It's demonizing him and his views that most have issue with.
him being called a nazi is funny tho. Its the main insult people go to when they run out of insults
 
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If I expressed it that way, I apologize. You should still be able to speak regardless of your political ideology. All I'm saying is that, just because he's free to express them, doesn't mean I or anyone else isn't free to critic them.

Anyone is free to say that Climate Change is a hoax, and I'm free to push back against that. They are also free to push back against my ideas.
Of course. i disagree with him just as you do, however, I just misread your post wrong.

I definitely agree, criticism is a good thing and is warranted. That's exactly why I think people should be able to express any opinion is so that is able to be challenged. Otherwise it stays in quiet inter-circles unchallenged and people stick into those inter-circles with nothing challenging the way they think. It's why I don't think that criticizing and exposing, say, something such as flat earthers or fossil deniers is not a waste of time just because the earth obviously isn't flat to most people. They're ideas that people fall into believing when no one is there to challenge them.
 
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Have you considered this person might be twisting his words or leaving information/context out?
Of course I have, when I first found that post I gave the benfit of the doubt but it later showed up screenshotted in another that was actually explaining the whole issue so I'm willing to bet it's all accurate, though I haven't been able to find a link to said stream and much less a timestamp
Even if he said some of those things, he isn't completely wrong

There is a reason they have "White Feminists" and "Intersectional Feminists" and the Intersectional Feminists believe White Feminists are bad people, for example
You should stop taking the actions of a certain small group as representation of the whole movement
Conservatives complain about those two movements due to both having having ill intended or even criminal histories behind them. Take two heads of the women's march for instance, one(Donna Hylton) is a criminal responsible for torching and sexually abusing a gay man(he was a con artist, but that is not a justification) for 15 days straight leading to his death, with no signs of remorse or regret to this day. While the other(Linda Sarsour) believes in implementing Sharia Law which is about as patriarchal and misogynistic as you can get. That's why in their perspective we seem so insane.
I honestly didn't know about those two but still, they're two people in a much larger group, they don't represent the whole thing

Assholes are bound to be everywhere and they'll try to take advantage of movements such as these to do as they please
society is saying it's perfectly acceptable to punch Nazis.
Capitain America did it so I don't see the problem
 

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He isn't being challenged though.

He's straight up being called a Nazi and insulted. I mean look at some of the comments in this thread. Some users have called him a terrible person over this.

The issue was never just disagreement. It's demonizing him and his views that most have issue with.
It's probably not fair to call him a Nazi unless he's flailing around Mein Kampf, and screeching "HH, 14/88." (which people are, but that's a different discussion)
But if someone thinks he's a terrible person for his beliefs, is that not fair? Especially if they're beliefs they feel strongly against?
 

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JonTron to me is like the Kanye of Youtubers.

Amazing breakout stuff, hit his apex, went downhill, became a Twitter baby.
 

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It's kind of an issue how now a days people can be called a Nazi just for having a different opinion from you while at the same time society is saying it's perfectly acceptable to punch Nazis.
Well, those who they perceive to be Nazis over their opinion.
 
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Of course I have, when I first found that post I gave the benfit of the doubt but it later showed up screenshotted in another that was actually explaining the whole issue so I'm willing to bet it's all accurate, though I haven't been able to find a link to said stream and much less a timestamp

You should stop taking the actions of a certain small group as representation of the whole movement

I honestly didn't know about those two but still, they're two people in a much larger group, they don't represent the whole thing

******** are bound to be everywhere and they'll try to take advantage of movements such as these to do as they please

Capitain America did it so I don't see the problem
"White feminism is a term for feminism that fails to be intersectional. Contrary to most other movements above, white feminism is a term that people rarely use for themselves; instead, other feminists label certain feminists as ‘white feminists’ when they fail to account for intersectionality."

"Black feminism holds that sexism, racism and class oppression are all linked together. This type of feminism was started by Black feminists in the US, though many similar movements exist around the world. Black feminism is the movement that came up with intersectionality (see below), which is an integral part of Black feminism."

Black Feminism is a positive definition, white feminism is a pejorative used by feminists to insult white people that don't go off the hierarchy of oppression used by intersectional feminists

Hierarchy of Oppression
  • Men oppress Women
  • Heterosexuals oppress Homosexuality, Bi and A-sexual
  • The Able oppress the Disabled
  • White oppresses everyone else (even Asians who statically are better off as a group), but especially blacks. All non-blacks/white are somewhere in between (Hispanics, Arabs, etc)
  • Citizens oppress Immigrants
  • Cis genders oppress Transgender/ Gender Fluid
Feminists use the hierarchy of oppression to give others a higher voice in their order. And white woman are second to last, with only white men being at the bottom.
 
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I honestly didn't know about those two but still, they're two people in a much larger group, they don't represent the whole thing

******** are bound to be everywhere and they'll try to take advantage of movements such as these to do as they please
It's not as much as that they represent everyone as that people aware of the group are perfectly fine with them and defend them while aware of there terrible actions or even just simply beliefs that completely contradict there's.

The same could be said of people in BLM(Note, BLM, not most black communities, other normal black communities reacted in disgust as you'd think one react to this) who were defending some BLM members who kidnapped a man with down syndrome.

It's not the cause that's always a problem to people especially such as myself, it's the actions and behavior they encourage, if not act it out.
 
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You should stop taking the actions of a certain small group as representation of the whole movement
If I said that about conservatives, you would react VERY differently.

It's probably not fair to call him a Nazi unless he's flailing around Mein Kampf, and screeching "HH, 14/88." (which people are, but that's a different discussion)
But if someone thinks he's a terrible person for his beliefs, is that not fair? Especially if they're beliefs they feel strongly against?
There's a big difference between that and going on a tirade against him, which are what people are doing.
 

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It's probably not fair to call him a Nazi unless he's flailing around Mein Kampf, and screeching "HH, 14/88." (which people are, but that's a different discussion)
But if someone thinks he's a terrible person for his beliefs, is that not fair? Especially if they're beliefs they feel strongly against?
What of people who think women who want to be treated as equals in society are terrible for their beliefs? They feel strongly against it, so that makes it fair, right?

I'm not defending him, I'm just not sure that the level of passion put into it is a proper argument as to why it should be more justified. I feel like the discussion could be better serviced by a rationale that couldn't be flipped on it's head.
 
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If I said that about conservatives, you would react VERY differently.


There's a big difference between that and going on a tirade against him, which are what people are doing.
He HAS spoken for groups in the past as a whole that he has no right to talk about
 

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Where are you getting opinions on FE6 that people say Sacae route i better? I suppose i's subjective, but most people I know say prefer Ilia. Also it's pretty universally considered easier.
 

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What of people who think women who want to be treated as equals in society are terrible for their beliefs? They feel strongly against it, so that makes it fair, right?

I'm not defending him, I'm just not sure that the level of passion put into it is a proper argument as to why it should be more justified.
Yeah, they're free to think that person is terrible. But just as people are free to think this, others are still free to push back against it.
 

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Yeah, they're free to think that person is terrible. But just as people are free to think this, others are still free to push back against it.
And the people on the other side are free to push back as well.

Seems like an awful lot of pushing from both sides. Apparently at some point it pushed Trump into the presidency according to what people are saying.
 

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What of people who think women who want to be treated as equals in society are terrible for their beliefs? They feel strongly against it, so that makes it fair, right?

I'm not defending him, I'm just not sure that the level of passion put into it is a proper argument as to why it should be more justified.
No one thinks women shouldn't have the same rights as men except assholes.

The problem is that groups are using false information to try and create inequality and people are believing them without doing any kind of research for themselves. Like the "Wage Gap" which there ARE laws that require all men and woman should be paid equally

But what people are doing is taking the earnings of all men and woman and finding out the average and seeing that there is a difference between that and calling it a wage gap.

You can't really expect taking two groups of people, especially that large, when they all have their own unique wants and desires and motivations (Free Will) and expect it to be 100% even
 
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It's not as much as that they represent everyone as that people aware of the group are perfectly fine with them and defend them while aware of there terrible actions or even just simply beliefs that completely contradict there's.

The same could be said of people in BLM(Note, BLM, not most black communities, other normal black communities reacted in disgust as you'd think one react to this) who were defending some BLM members who kidnapped a man with down syndrome.

It's not the cause that's always a problem to people especially such as myself, it's the actions and behavior they encourage, if not act it out.
Even though I think BLM doesn't do anything well for black communities, I don't think those people were part of BLM.
 

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He isn't being challenged though.

He's straight up being called a Nazi and insulted. I mean look at some of the comments in this thread. Some users have called him a terrible person over this.

The issue was never just disagreement. It's demonizing him and his views that most have issue with.
Yeah. I think he has his head up in...places, but this has spiraled into witch hunt territory.
 
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