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Managed to find a WiFi hotspot here, so I figured I'd check in. 
Still working on Swamp's thing.
But in the meantime, I saw Suicide Squad. Thoughts in the spoiler below.
So yeah, my thoughts.
Still working on Swamp's thing.
But in the meantime, I saw Suicide Squad. Thoughts in the spoiler below.
Let's go with the positives first!
- Many of the characters were stand-out, IMO. Deadshot, Harley, Amanda Waller, Rick Flag, El Diablo, and the small amount of Captain Boomerang we saw were great. The Flash cameo was also really neat.
- To go into specifics, I loved the dynamic between Deadshot and Flag. Good stuff. Margo Robbie as Harley was great as well, minus one aspect of her character that came out wrong (which I'll get to later), but one scene I really liked was a kind of throwaway line where she basically on-the-spot diagnoses Deadshot as a sociopath, which was a clever throwback to her origin.
- Deadshot though. Seriously, Will Smith did a great job. Smith is usually one of those actors who, to me, instead of playing a role, plays themselves playing a role, if that makes sense. Jim Carrey and Johnny Depp also seem like this sometimes. But this time? Will Smith was Deadshot, and Deadshot was great.
- El Diablo was an unexpected surprise, and his sacrifice at the end felt meaningful, even if he was a bit too quick to call the rest of the Squad family.
- Viola Davis IS Amanda Waller. Nuff said.
- Though still dark, at least the DCEU is finally having signs of a color pallete.
Negatives now:
- People weren't kidding when they said it was poorly edited. It definitely seemed like a first draft. Apparently the WB made Ayer write the script in only six weeks, along with other unrealistic demands. Scenes that should have bee in weren't, some seemed out of order, and others were unnecessary all together. It's jarring how like, half the trailer scenes weren't in the final cut.
- Say what you will of Leto's Joker, but the shouldn't have cut like ninety percent of his scenes, especially when he was a huge part of their marketing. As for me, I'm neutral on Leto!Joker. We didn't see enough of him for me to form an opinion...still not digging the grills though.
- Speaking of the cut Joker scenes...the Executive Meddling when it came to his and Harley's relationship is all kinds of awful. They cut out the scenes where he abuses her, when her entire character arc is supposed to be about her having Stockholm Syndrome. It's not supposed to be a loving relationship. Joker shouldn't be portrayed as a lovesick puppy with tattoos and grills; Harley is more like PROPERTY to him.
- Now for a big one...character bloat. One big issue is the film kinda spread itself thin. I'll compare Guardians of the Galaxy here due to similar situations (films about a team of outlaws, unknown to the general audience, comedic tone, relatively standalone superhero films). With Guardians, the main gang included five characters, so Star-Lord, Gamkra, Drax, Rocket, and Groot all got their development time...but even with the movie getting universal acclaim, people still agreed that Ronan was severely underdeveloped as a result of the amount of new characters they needed to introduce. With SS, in addition to introducing the audience to Waller, they needed to introduce the audience to EIGHT Squad members, plus Joker, plus Enchantress. Needles so on say, many didn't pull their weight. For example:
-- Killer Croc seemed largely unnecessary, but had a couple of good lines...but the team didn't need more comic relief between Harley, Deadshot, and Boomerang.
-- You could literally take Katana out of the film and the plot wouldn't change. Harley would just use a different weapon in the pile of weapons to kill Enchantress. Plus, her role IN UNIVERSE was redundant...she was there to protect Flag, but...that's what the neck bombs were for.
-- lol Slipknot. I get why it's necessary to have him (you need to assure the audience the bombs are real), they telegraphed it SO HARD. People knew he'd die since the first trailers came out. He didn't even get a cool intro scene. I do like that Boomerang deceiving him into "testing" the bomb was lifted from an 80s Suicide Squad comic.
-- I actually liked June Moon/Enchantressas a character, but I didn't get her motive at all. What exactly was her "machine" supposed to do? Just a generic doomsday device? She needed more development.
Over the film had some glaring issues that shouldn't be present in a final cut of a film. That being said, it had all the ingredients of a pretty good film...but the chef just put too many potatoes in the crockpot, advertised the parsley as a selling point on the menu, mixed certain ingredients that don't mix, and didn't cook it long enough. But in the end? While some of those potatoes weren't cooked enough, some were well done. I went in expecting dog ****, but got half-done potato salad. That's a win in my book.
All in all, I had fun with it, which is more than I can say for Batman v Superman. Not a GOOD film, but fun. All in all, I'd say it gets five and a half out of ten stars, maybe six. Like, if my friend had it on DVD and offered to watch it when I stayed over, I'd respond with, "Sure, why not?"
- Many of the characters were stand-out, IMO. Deadshot, Harley, Amanda Waller, Rick Flag, El Diablo, and the small amount of Captain Boomerang we saw were great. The Flash cameo was also really neat.
- To go into specifics, I loved the dynamic between Deadshot and Flag. Good stuff. Margo Robbie as Harley was great as well, minus one aspect of her character that came out wrong (which I'll get to later), but one scene I really liked was a kind of throwaway line where she basically on-the-spot diagnoses Deadshot as a sociopath, which was a clever throwback to her origin.
- Deadshot though. Seriously, Will Smith did a great job. Smith is usually one of those actors who, to me, instead of playing a role, plays themselves playing a role, if that makes sense. Jim Carrey and Johnny Depp also seem like this sometimes. But this time? Will Smith was Deadshot, and Deadshot was great.
- El Diablo was an unexpected surprise, and his sacrifice at the end felt meaningful, even if he was a bit too quick to call the rest of the Squad family.
- Viola Davis IS Amanda Waller. Nuff said.
- Though still dark, at least the DCEU is finally having signs of a color pallete.
Negatives now:
- People weren't kidding when they said it was poorly edited. It definitely seemed like a first draft. Apparently the WB made Ayer write the script in only six weeks, along with other unrealistic demands. Scenes that should have bee in weren't, some seemed out of order, and others were unnecessary all together. It's jarring how like, half the trailer scenes weren't in the final cut.
- Say what you will of Leto's Joker, but the shouldn't have cut like ninety percent of his scenes, especially when he was a huge part of their marketing. As for me, I'm neutral on Leto!Joker. We didn't see enough of him for me to form an opinion...still not digging the grills though.
- Speaking of the cut Joker scenes...the Executive Meddling when it came to his and Harley's relationship is all kinds of awful. They cut out the scenes where he abuses her, when her entire character arc is supposed to be about her having Stockholm Syndrome. It's not supposed to be a loving relationship. Joker shouldn't be portrayed as a lovesick puppy with tattoos and grills; Harley is more like PROPERTY to him.
- Now for a big one...character bloat. One big issue is the film kinda spread itself thin. I'll compare Guardians of the Galaxy here due to similar situations (films about a team of outlaws, unknown to the general audience, comedic tone, relatively standalone superhero films). With Guardians, the main gang included five characters, so Star-Lord, Gamkra, Drax, Rocket, and Groot all got their development time...but even with the movie getting universal acclaim, people still agreed that Ronan was severely underdeveloped as a result of the amount of new characters they needed to introduce. With SS, in addition to introducing the audience to Waller, they needed to introduce the audience to EIGHT Squad members, plus Joker, plus Enchantress. Needles so on say, many didn't pull their weight. For example:
-- Killer Croc seemed largely unnecessary, but had a couple of good lines...but the team didn't need more comic relief between Harley, Deadshot, and Boomerang.
-- You could literally take Katana out of the film and the plot wouldn't change. Harley would just use a different weapon in the pile of weapons to kill Enchantress. Plus, her role IN UNIVERSE was redundant...she was there to protect Flag, but...that's what the neck bombs were for.
-- lol Slipknot. I get why it's necessary to have him (you need to assure the audience the bombs are real), they telegraphed it SO HARD. People knew he'd die since the first trailers came out. He didn't even get a cool intro scene. I do like that Boomerang deceiving him into "testing" the bomb was lifted from an 80s Suicide Squad comic.
-- I actually liked June Moon/Enchantressas a character, but I didn't get her motive at all. What exactly was her "machine" supposed to do? Just a generic doomsday device? She needed more development.
Over the film had some glaring issues that shouldn't be present in a final cut of a film. That being said, it had all the ingredients of a pretty good film...but the chef just put too many potatoes in the crockpot, advertised the parsley as a selling point on the menu, mixed certain ingredients that don't mix, and didn't cook it long enough. But in the end? While some of those potatoes weren't cooked enough, some were well done. I went in expecting dog ****, but got half-done potato salad. That's a win in my book.
All in all, I had fun with it, which is more than I can say for Batman v Superman. Not a GOOD film, but fun. All in all, I'd say it gets five and a half out of ten stars, maybe six. Like, if my friend had it on DVD and offered to watch it when I stayed over, I'd respond with, "Sure, why not?"
So yeah, my thoughts.
vs 
disscussion we had a few days ago? (I sided with Feraligatr for those who don't remember)
