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[AwesomeAussie27]

The guy from Trauma Center Under the Knife (Or the other Trauma series games). That's going to be interesting with the more strategy related approach his games take with actual operations.

That's Dr. Derek Stiles to you, patient.

Shame the series just stopped after Trauma Team. A new game would have been perfect for the Wii U.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is it an actual fan game or merely a concept? Very ambitious if the former

 

[Ura]

Yes I am, and I'm also the guy who bombed Farmer Pickle's farm this morning.

RIP Farmer Pickle

Are you also the guy that did the pictures for the characters?

Is it an actual fan game or merely a concept? Very ambitious if the former

It's a concept like a lot of things from Fantendo.

Really REALLY wish it was a fangame tho.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

That's Dr. Derek Stiles to you, patient.

Shame the series just stopped after Trauma Team. A new game would have been perfect for the Wii U.

No need to get mad at me. I never played the games before, but only remembered that my brother wanted to be a doctor briefly only to become your average Tumblr dwelling stereotype because of it.

Maybe the games just didn't really sell well? Though that's not saying much since the company is known for their RPG's more, mostly thanks to Persona making Shin Megami Tensei mainstream in the West (to the older fans' dismay).

Now that I think of it, the SMT fans and Fire Emblem fans are alike. Fighting against the new, mainstream fans that like the "inferior" games more than the ones they grew up with. SMT being known as dark and apocalyptic while Fire Emblem being less "anime" than it was before Awakening.

 

[Erureido]

So I thought of something, we might have evidence of the league outcome based on today's episode:

Mild Spoilers below:

Spoiler

So the Flaming shuriken has not been used yet. People thought it would end mega sceptile but it didn't. We know the final pokemon in Ash and Alain's fight will be Greninja against charziard.

So will Super Sayian Greninja's Spirit Shuriken be the end of Alain's charziard? Thus winning the battle? I believe this could very well happen, but we will have to wait a little bit longer to find out.

Spoiler

I think the Flaming Shuriken being the finishing blow on Mega Charizard X seems like a very strong possibility at this point. The move looks so grand and powerful that it seems like the perfect final attack. My guess is that Mega Charizard uses some super-powered Fire attack on the Water Shuriken either when it is still on Greninja's back or when Greninja prepares to use it. The force becomes too strong that Water Shuriken becomes enveloped by the Fire, turning it into the Flaming Shuriken. Greninja then releases this special attack on Charizard, triggering a much bigger explosion than it did against Mega Sceptile and knocking Charizard out thanks to the explosion effect.

I'll have to wait and see if this turns out to be true, but I think you're on to something with how this Flaming Shuriken could play out.

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

@Only Human I wanted to incorporate both Midna's! Hyrule Warriors justified her inclusion!

I can get behind a roster like this! The only thing I don't like is that Jin's symbol isn't his tattoo...

You wanna make the symbol? Besides his grandfather's a secret fighter, so it kinda makes sense...

Kaden in a fanmade Smash Bros game? Not going to lie, but that's got me pretty excited thinking about how he could play out with his kitsune fighting style!

Kitsune Lugi played a bit of a part in the inclusion!

That's Dr. Derek Stiles to you, patient.

Shame the series just stopped after Trauma Team. A new game would have been perfect for the Wii U.

Bingo!

And for those of you wondering, its just a concept. I had plans to make it into a game, but many of the characters would require sprites made from scratch, something I don't have the talent, money, time or patience for whatsoever.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Maybe the games just didn't really sell well? Though that's not saying much since the company is known for their RPG's more, mostly thanks to Persona making Shin Megami Tensei mainstream in the West (to the older fans' dismay).

Now that I think of it, the SMT fans and Fire Emblem fans are alike. Fighting against the new, mainstream fans that like the "inferior" games more than the ones they grew up with. SMT being known as dark and apocalyptic while Fire Emblem being less "anime" than it was before Awakening.

They are similar in more ways than one. But I can argue that the Shin Megami Tensei fans are far more toxic or as aggressive with their hate of Persona compared to your average Fire Emblem elitist. Almost every Persona related video involves one or more comments that incite these wars. At least those fans should be grateful that Shin Megami Tensei IV and Apocalyse is even happening.

As for Fire Emblem, Conquest is the closest thing we will get in terms of "older Fire Emblem". And the team already plans on making the dual release and other casual features (possibly including the face touching) mainstays for the future of the series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Thatkidwiththeafro you need movesets? I'm your gal then I guess. Don't have a lot, but it's not like I have other choices

 

[APC99]

That Smash Bros. Universe concept just doesn't fit right with me. I feel like there's a lot that doesn't take into consideration the actual game.

First off, it feels kind of basic with the modes and gameplay. Each iteration of Smash brought something new and exciting to the table.

• 64 was the start, the bare bones.
• Melee improved upon everything from 64, making it into a far more expansive game.
• Brawl gave us a huge story mode that put everything together, as well as the introduction of third-parties.
• SSB4 came out on both console and handheld, and allowed you to customize fighters.

Universe's got nothing like that. It's got some new modes, sure, like the Tower of Smash from that one rumor before Wii U launched, but it doesn't really do anything original yet to make people want to buy it.

Then we have the characters. Because everyone's taste differs, I don't want to comment on character choices because really, it's his choices, not mine. What I do want to talk about is the sheer number of them. In a game like Smash, it's always driven by the moveset. Whether or not this character can fight and be unique from every other fighter in the game is a very important part of balance. Why play this character when another character does everything they do better? With that many fighters, it seems like their actual kit is an afterthought instead of the driving process of character selection. When the character comes first, you get a game like Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion, where there isn't a coherent playstyle, just moves.

And that's not exclusive to Universe, that's something a lot of people do. Characters like K. Rool, Banjo, Toad, they're all given their iconic moves and then some... but what is the purpose of that move? What options does it give the character? How is it any different than the other fighters?

I criticize because I used to try to develop fan-games to no avail. I still write up movesets often. Hell, I've written an upcoming article for Source Gaming about some bare-bones movesets. I've devoted a lot of time to try to make my ideas flow together so it doesn't look like it's pulled together last-minute. My advice is to innovate. Look to do something new and fresh. What can be done for Smash that is exciting and never before accomplished? What kinds of characters can be birthed out of this?

EDIT: I really hope I don't sound egotistical or dickish, I'm just trying to give some advice for improving the concept.

 

[Devil May Plop]

You wanna make the symbol? Besides his grandfather's a secret fighter, so it kinda makes sense...

I don't know how to make things like those, sorry...

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

As for Fire Emblem, Conquest is the closest thing we will get in terms of "older Fire Emblem". And the team already plans on making the dual release and other casual features (possibly including the face touching) mainstays for the future of the series.

Ugh, can't wait to see all the "Fire Emblem is doomed!" or "**** the dual release" complaints in the future.

And good luck on keeping face touching since what we got from NoA is what we'll get from now on. I doubt they would suddenly change their stance on bringing the feature in it's original glory in Fire Emblem 15.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They are similar in more ways than one. But I can argue that the Shin Megami Tensei fans are far more toxic or as aggressive with their hate of Persona compared to your average Fire Emblem elitist. Almost every Persona related video involves one or more comments that incite these wars. At least those fans should be grateful that Shin Megami Tensei IV and Apocalyse is even happening.

As for Fire Emblem, Conquest is the closest thing we will get in terms of "older Fire Emblem". And the team already plans on making the dual release and other casual features (possibly including the face touching) mainstays for the future of the series.

Wait dual release might be a main stay? **** that noise. It means characters get less focus and the stories get less focus

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Ugh, can't wait to see all the "Fire Emblem is doomed!" or "**** the dual release" complaints in the future.

And good luck on keeping face touching since what we got from NoA is what we'll get from now on. I doubt they would suddenly change their stance on bringing the feature in it's original glory in Fire Emblem 15.

Pretty sure the fans against censorship already given up on Fire Emblem or stopped supporting Nintendo after Fates came out. To be honest, expecting no censorship from Nintendo is like expecting not much salt on McDonald's fries.

The dual release idea is ok. I like the idea of having the harder game over another casual friendly title like Awakening. If only Conquest's story didn't have such glaring flaws.

 

[Chrono.]

The 2 version format is what kept me away from Fates in the first place. lol

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

RIP Farmer Pickle

Are you also the guy that did the pictures for the characters?

It's a concept like a lot of things from Fantendo.

Really REALLY wish it was a fangame tho.

Nope, the art is drawn by PariahExileWrath of Devientart! I would advise you check out his gallery, its full of cool stuff! However be warned, a lot of it is NSFW! Tell him Mr. Marco sent you! (Afro's been banned from his account because of a payment dispute that went wrong! Mr Marco is my alternate!)

That Smash Bros. Universe concept just doesn't fit right with me. I feel like there's a lot that doesn't take into consideration the actual game.

First off, it feels kind of basic with the modes and gameplay. Each iteration of Smash brought something new and exciting to the table.

• 64 was the start, the bare bones.
• Melee improved upon everything from 64, making it into a far more expansive game.
• Brawl gave us a huge story mode that put everything together, as well as the introduction of third-parties.
• SSB4 came out on both console and handheld, and allowed you to customize fighters.

Universe's got nothing like that. It's got some new modes, sure, like the Tower of Smash from that one rumor before Wii U launched, but it doesn't really do anything original yet to make people want to buy it.

Then we have the characters. Because everyone's taste differs, I don't want to comment on character choices because really, it's his choices, not mine. What I do want to talk about is the sheer number of them. In a game like Smash, it's always driven by the moveset. Whether or not this character can fight and be unique from every other fighter in the game is a very important part of balance. Why play this character when another character does everything they do better? With that many fighters, it seems like their actual kit is an afterthought instead of the driving process of character selection. When the character comes first, you get a game like Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion, where there isn't a coherent playstyle, just moves.

And that's not exclusive to Universe, that's something a lot of people do. Characters like K. Rool, Banjo, Toad, they're all given their iconic moves and then some... but what is the purpose of that move? What options does it give the character? How is it any different than the other fighters?

I criticize because I used to try to develop fan-games to no avail. I still write up movesets often. Hell, I've written an upcoming article for Source Gaming about some bare-bones movesets. I've devoted a lot of time to try to make my ideas flow together so it doesn't look like it's pulled together last-minute. My advice is to innovate. Look to do something new and fresh. What can be done for Smash that is exciting and never before accomplished? What kinds of characters can be birthed out of this?

Thanks for the feedback. For starters, I haven't found the niche I'm looking for yet. I've expanded modes such as Multi-Man Smash to have 300 and 500 man smashes, as well as adding a tag-team mode acting as a sequel to Brawl's Subspace Emissary. On the other hand, i be been planning out the new Story Mode, and bringing back things such as Melee's character unique target tests, and Race to the Finish. I've been thinking about what else I can bring to the table, and this has resulted in my watching and playing a LOT of fighting games to get ideas! Hell, I was just at the arcade yesterday playing Tekken 5 and Street Fighter 4 for ideas!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Wait dual release might be a main stay? **** that noise. It means characters get less focus and the stories get less focus

Unfortunately, they do have their eyes on making that the norm.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/02/...lopers-talk-future-plans-and-favourite-wives/

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Unfortunately, they do have their eyes on making that the norm.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/02/...lopers-talk-future-plans-and-favourite-wives/

ffffffffffffffffffffffffudge. On one hand, I see why this is being done. Trying to please both fans and making a profit from them. Just try releasing a traditional FE with casual mode, boom

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Unfortunately, they do have their eyes on making that the norm.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/02/...lopers-talk-future-plans-and-favourite-wives/

> Wants to hang on to the most popular features
> Face touching

Yep, time to accept that "conversations" will be the norm for us Western fans in the future. Because face touching is too weird for our sensitive Puritan eyes.

 

[Ura]

Unfortunately, they do have their eyes on making that the norm.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/02/...lopers-talk-future-plans-and-favourite-wives/

Can't wait for the marriage system to be implemented in AW if it ever comes back. More so that I can finally have my OTP come true.

Artillery X Tank

 

[IceBreakerXY]

"two characters that did not originate in a video game, but they still had to have had some significant history with Nintendo as a whole, therefore cementing the reasons for the characters Popeye, and Scrooge McDuck being playable characters in the game"\
No,i think the day popeye or anyone non video game character gets into smash is the day the series officially jumps the shark

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

> Wants to hang on to the most popular features
> Face touching

Yep, time to accept that "conversations" will be the norm for us Western fans in the future. Because face touching is too weird for our sensitive Puritan eyes.

Sensitive, and yet they keep on forgetting that Western Americans are the ones who gave the world Mortal Kombats brutal as **** fatalities!

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Sensitive, and yet they keep on forgetting that Western Americans are the ones who gave the world Mortal Kombats brutal as **** fatalities!

Ladies and gentlemen, Nintendo of America in a nutshell.

At least Mortal Kombat isn't banned here unlike Japan since the older games.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sensitive, and yet they keep on forgetting that Western Americans are the ones who gave the world Mortal Kombats brutal as **** fatalities!

tbh violence and sexual stuff are different based on culture. Japan BANNED Mortal Kombat iirc

 

[APC99]

Thanks for the feedback. For starters, I haven't found the niche I'm looking for yet. I've expanded modes such as Multi-Man Smash to have 300 and 500 man smashes, as well as adding a tag-team mode wacting

While expanding upon the modes of previous games is a good start, I personally think that the niche is a bit more important to determine before the roster, items, stages, etc. Of course, that's not to say you can't know and reveal what you have in mind, but first thing's first, focus on finding what will define the game.

I'm not really anybody special, not a game dev or a competitive player, but I have a general understanding of how Smash works and how it can be improved upon. I want to see your idea reach stages where it feels like an actual game instead of just a fan roster with some suggestions for the game. Bona fortuna, amicus.

 

[Chrono.]

So I played the Robobot demo:
- This is the only recent Kirby game I've played and I really like the expanded movesets for Kirby's copy abilities.
- The mech isn't really that fun, in fact I feel it kinda holds the game back... (which means I should probably play Triple Deluxe one of these days).

All in all, I had fun! And after the last Kirby games I played being Amazing Mirror and Air Ride it was nice being reminded that Kirby can be really fun.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Can't wait for the marriage system to be implemented in AW if it ever comes back. More so that I can finally have my OTP come true.

Artillery X Tank

10/10 would ship.

That's if they give the units any defined personalities in the future. It would be kind of hilarious to see that happen with AW.

tbh violence and sexual stuff are different based on culture. Japan BANNED Mortal Kombat iirc

Grand Theft Auto and God of War related CERO censorship makes me laugh the most. Let's add clothes to Aphrodite and her groupies because they are not for our sensitive eyes.

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

"two characters that did not originate in a video game, but they still had to have had some significant history with Nintendo as a whole, therefore cementing the reasons for the characters Popeye, and Scrooge McDuck being playable characters in the game"\
No,i think the day popeye or anyone non video game character gets into smash is the day the series officially jumps the shark

History lesson. Popeye the sailor is the sole reason that Nintendo became a legend in the industry. Did you know that the original Donkey Kong was supposed to be a Popeye game? Miyamoto couldn't get the rights to license Popeye, Bluto and Olive Oyl for the game. So he created Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pauline. Boom! Gaming history 101! Also, he mentioned that Popeye inspired the idea of Mario allowing Bowser to play sports with them. Why? Why did Popeye and Olive Oyl allow Bluto to join them on picnics, if he was gonna do something to her?

Ducktales for the NES redefined games based on TV shows, and is often stated to be one of the greatest games of all time. I see no problem in allowing Scrooge to square off against Mega Man and Ryu! After all, Capcom made his game, and Scrooge counts as a part of Capcom's history!

 

[Solfiner]

America doesnt care about violence but gets ultra sensitive about mildly sexual themes or implications. Been like that for a very long time.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Grand Theft Auto and God of War related CERO censorship makes me laugh the most. Let's add clothes to Aphrodite and her groupies because they are not for our sensitive eyes.

The CERO, Germany's censorship, and Australia's BS rating system are the devil. Partially one of the reasons why I'm glad I no longer live in Australia is because of the latter (other than ****ty Internet connection).

But being in North America is no better because they always had a history of video game censorship, even if it's not as bad as the three I've mentioned. But hey, at least I can still blow **** up in Call of Duty.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The CERO, Germany's censorship, and Australia's BS rating system are the devil. Partially one of the reasons why I'm glad I no longer live in Australia is because of the latter (other than ****ty Internet connection).

But being in North America is no better because they always had a history of video game censorship, even if it's not as bad as the three I've mentioned. But hey, at least I can still blow **** up in Call of Duty.

So something simple as mere, harmless localization isn't better than 0 18+ games? Maybe it's my lack of sleep but I'm confused

 

[IceBreakerXY]

History lesson. Popeye the sailor is the sole reason that Nintendo became a legend in the industry. Did you know that the original Donkey Kong was supposed to be a Popeye game? Miyamoto couldn't get the rights to license Popeye, Bluto and Olive Oyl for the game. So he created Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pauline. Boom! Gaming history 101! Also, he mentioned that Popeye inspired the idea of Mario allowing Bowser to play sports with them. Why? Why did Popeye and Olive Oyl allow Bluto to join them on picnics, if he was gonna do something to her?

Ducktales for the NES redefined games based on TV shows, and is often stated to be one of the greatest games of all time. I see no problem in allowing Scrooge to square off against Mega Man and Ryu! After all, Capcom made his game, and Scrooge counts as a part of Capcom's history!

still doesnt change the fact there not video game characters.If we include everything thats important to nintendo history than we should have a love hotel stage and john kirby should be a character since he helped nintendo win the case against universal.Sorry if it sounds like im taking too seriously lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

still doesnt change the fact there not video game characters.If we include everything

10/10 would play on

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

So something simple as mere, harmless localization isn't better than 0 18+ games? Maybe it's my lack of sleep but I'm confused

Actually, yes. Minimal censorship is better than having even the highest rated games banned or butchered where I used to live.

But I was saying my decision to jump ship to a less strict country isn't any better with video game censorship. I'm still glad that most mature rated games are mostly untouched.

 

[Z25]

Spoiler

I think the Flaming Shuriken being the finishing blow on Mega Charizard X seems like a very strong possibility at this point. The move looks so grand and powerful that it seems like the perfect final attack. My guess is that Mega Charizard uses some super-powered Fire attack on the Water Shuriken either when it is still on Greninja's back or when Greninja prepares to use it. The force becomes too strong that Water Shuriken becomes enveloped by the Fire, turning it into the Flaming Shuriken. Greninja then releases this special attack on Charizard, triggering a much bigger explosion than it did against Mega Sceptile and knocking Charizard out thanks to the explosion effect.

I'll have to wait and see if this turns out to be true, but I think you're on to something with how this Flaming Shuriken could play out.

That is a pretty good idea actually! It makes a lot of sense to. I can't wait to see how the fight plays put. Next weeks episode should be a pretty good break before the finals as well. I am liking how they have done the league so far.

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

still doesnt change the fact there not video game characters.If we include everything thats important to nintendo history than we should have a love hotel stage and john kirby should be a character since he helped nintendo win the case against universal.Sorry if it sounds like im taking too seriously lol

Jumping the shark to me is adding the following characters to the roster....

• Shrek
• Corey Baxter
• Goku
• Flappy Bird
• Freddy Fazbear
• Dat Boi
• Goldeen

Any questions for moi now?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Actually, yes. Minimal censorship is better than having even the highest rated games banned or butchered where I used to live.

But I was saying my decision to jump ship to a less strict country isn't any better with video game censorship. I'm still glad that most mature rated games are mostly untouched.

Good thing you can play the superior version of South Park: The Stick of Truth.

And I though Germany were the only literal censorship nazis towards gaming.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Good thing you can play the superior version of South Park: The Stick of Truth.

And I though Germany were the only literal censorship nazis towards gaming.

They also censor police reports

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They also censor police reports

Explain. I need to know this ****. It's Kangaroo Court

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

They also censor police reports

Accurate.

Personal injury compensation is also censored to only contain the following:

• The lawyer's name, contact details and area of speciality (print and other "allowed publications" only);
• The operation of the law of negligence and a person's rights under that law (lawyers' websites only);
• The lawyer's terms of service (lawyers' websites only).

So yeah, stating cases that involved someone being hurt for money is a big nono if you live in Queensland.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I'm not the one to really question politics in another country, but yeah. Australia's idea of freedom of speech isn't as "free" as it sounds. Not like America is really that free.