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[Z25]

I'm honestly against the idea of adding characters for a series for the sake of adding characters for that series at this point.

So is that a no on 6 more Fire Emblem Characters?

 

[dream1ng]

I do feel we've verged into getting more reps for the sake of reps these days instead of characters for the sake of characters (DLC notwithstanding), and it is kind of disappointing to see.

I mean most of them turn out fine, but there'd be no tears shed on my end if the series had never had inclusions such as WFT, Greninja or half of the FE characters we ended up with.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

But what if that character is from a series that never has a consistent protagonist except one who's been getting minor roles in latter games (Fatal Frame)?

Then let's go for Miku since she's the closest thing for a main protagonist for the series. Though I do fear some potential backlash because of a certain spiritual marriage with her brother.

So is that a no on 6 more Fire Emblem Characters?

Hell to the no.

Even though IntelleSys will be the sly ********s and force Sakurai to add an extra one for promotional purposes.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

So is that a no on 6 more Fire Emblem Characters?

Definitely.

 

[Coricus]

I'm honestly against the idea of adding characters for a series for the sake of adding characters for that series at this point.

I feel like that's my hang up with an awful lot of characters people ask for.

Probably part of it is that I don't play nearly as many series as most people, so when people say that their series NEEDS more characters I just kind of look at what percentage of their series the characters have actually been in compared to the characters already playable in Smash and my reaction is. . .confused.

I swear I have vague memories of characters from various series being discounted or seen as less than other characters because "oneshots are bad," but when "muh representation" enters the picture apparently the logic that's used on some series flies out the window for others.

I have a somewhat deep voice myself but it really shouldn't matter how your voice is. You can always do a text video showing gamplay of said game and then having captions below that explain why you like said series.

Also good list.

Do you mean pre-existing series or series yet to be represented?

Cause if it's the later then I heavily disagree because there's still important series to Nintendo that deserve to be represented.

Honestly, I think some people don't even care about importance and try to suggest series for the sake of having new series rather than for any real logical reason. There's situations where it seems like people are just, "Hey, we need new series!" in the same "muh representation" fashion as suggesting a new character in an existing series. So series yet to be represented can suffer the same "muh representation" logic even outside of simply feeling something deserves it of it's own accord.

But even if the series is important, I don't think a character should be added JUST because of that or else we'd be owed playable Nintendog and Dr. Kawashima. There needs to be a balance between the character having some kind of weight and the character being functional if not outright interesting.

And of course, considering Fandom Myopia there's always a fair risk that we'll end up assigning more weight to something than it actually has.

I do feel we've verged into getting more reps for the sake of reps these days instead of characters for the sake of characters (DLC notwithstanding), and it is kind of disappointing to see.

I mean most of them turn out fine, but there'd be no tears shed on my end if the series had never had inclusions such as WFT, Greninja or half of the FE characters we ended up with.

And I've not shed a tear over a single character we didn't get, either.

Although out of curiosity, what characters do you think were "characters for the sake of characters?" What do you think we should have seen instead?

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Then let's go for Miku since she's the closest thing for a main protagonist for the series. Though I do fear some potential backlash because of a certain spiritual marriage with her brother.

Except said backlash never really happened because everyone with brain knows that Fatal Frame is a mature series that is partially owned by Nintendo instead of fully owned. This isn't the 90's America anymore.

Only a vocal minority of fans really hated what happened with Miku because they felt it was out of character or ruined the character development she had in the first game. Or they pinned the blame on Maiden of the Black Water since it's the second worst game in the franchise.

 

[A Distant Demon]

But what if that character is from a series that never has a consistent protagonist except one who's been getting minor roles in latter games (Fatal Frame)?

Are any of them particularly interesting or special?

No? Then **** 'em
Yes? Depends on the situation but probably yes.

Too much bull**** of people wanting characters just because their precious series (even if it's super niche or terrible) doesn't have as many characters as Mario and then getting mad when they don't get it. And then people get mad because their super niche character isn't picked either because they get overrated as ****.

So is that a no on 6 more Fire Emblem Characters?

Of course not. WE'RE GETTING 7 MORE FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I solved a puzzle. People are curious who Layton had to **** for a daughter. It's simple.

Spoiler

Luke

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I solved a puzzle. People are curious who Layton had to **** for a daughter. It's simple.

Spoiler

Luke

You, lady, have a dirty imagination.

 

[Wario Bros.]

So far I feel satisfied with my new laptop.

Now for the fun part of transferring my ****-ton amount of documents/files/apps from my home computer to this laptop.

Woohoo... /s

 

[Pazzo.]

If Lady Layton inherited her father's eyes.

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That's quite the... interesting face.

Wait a second...! That can only be the face of one criminal!

Spoiler: And that person is... YOU!

Inspector, your arrest please.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Are any of them particularly interesting or special?

No? Then **** 'em
Yes? Depends on the situation but probably yes.

Too much bull**** of people wanting characters just because their precious series (even if it's super niche or terrible) doesn't have as many characters as Mario and then getting mad when they don't get it. And then people get mad because their super niche character isn't picked either because they get overrated as ****.

Coming from a fan, most of them are pretty same-y. But there are others who have unique qualities to set them apart from others.

Miku is among one of the first protagonists in the franchise and have appeared in later games ever since. So in some ways, she is one of the most developed characters and heavy ties in to the Fatal Frame mythos in some way. Even the latest game has one of the main characters be her half spirit daughter who was born of the aforementioned marriage wither brother's spirit (which many decry of ruining her character).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Of course not. WE'RE GETTING 7 MORE FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS

10/10 would actually buy

That's quite the... interesting face.

Wait a second...! That can only be the face of one criminal!

Spoiler: And that person is... YOU!

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Inspector, your arrest please.

Oh cool, which Fire Emblem is he from?

 

[Frostwraith]

No. Level 5 worked on a Gundam anime called Gundam AGE.

And they wanted it to be this huge multimedia project but it flopped HARD, it made Bandai put the series on hiatus for a couple years before finally making a new anime (well 2).

The reason it flopped being how it was so obviously trying to be like the first 3 Gundam anime, except compressed into 50 episodes. Turns out the head writer had no experience writing anime and it showed.

The artstyle was another huge point of contention, it's very "Level 5/Inazuma Eleven" esque, it didn't get over well with hardcore fans who thought the franchise was gonna move towards a more "kid" oriented route.

Bandai actually didn't help things because the main project was intended to be the game for the PSP, but they released it at the same time as a Project DIVA game which hurt it sales by a ton.

All in all the project was a flop and Bandai rarely acknowledges it these days outside of model kits (it took a mysteriously long amount of time for it to get into Gundam VS, while Reconguista in G and Iron Blooded Orphans got added much sooner).

Fun fact: Gundam AGE's writer seems to be none other than Level-5 president Akihiro Hino himself.

And yeah, the art is very reminiscent of Level-5's other works, sharing most similarities with Inazuma Eleven and Yokai Watch.

Had no idea Level-5 almost caused the downfall of such a giant franchise. lol

I recently got into Gundam thanks to the currently airing TV anime reworking of Gundam Unicorn. Probably will watch IBO later.

 

[FalKoopa]

If Lady Layton inherited her father's eyes.

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It doesn't look half-bad, imo.

 

[AreJay25]

So the creators of Burnout are working on a spiritual successor.

As long as it's more like the pre-Paradise games, you can sign me up.

 

[Pazzo.]

All this talk of Gundam and I still have to watch Gurren Lagann and Code Geass.

I'm a disgrace, I know.

 

[Chrono.]

So the creators of Burnout are working on a spiritual successor.

As long as it's more like the pre-Paradise games, you can sign me up.

I loved Paradise (still play it to this day), so I'm really glad to see they're working on a new racing game.

 

[Substitution]

All this talk of Gundam and I still have to watch Gurren Lagann and Code Geass.

I'm a disgrace, I know.

Don't worry, you could be like me.
I'm as illiterate to anime as I am typing. And if all my edits are to claim anything...

 

[Wario Bros.]

Man, the download for the PC version of Killer Instinct is taking forever.

And no, Microsoft, I didn't ask for Candy Crush Soda Saga in my PC Xbox library...

 

[BandanaWaddleDee]

I feel like I'm one of the only ones who can't care less about Professor Layton. I'm more interested to see what this new Inazuma Eleven has in store and I can't wait for when it becomes an anime.

 

[FalKoopa]

All this talk of Gundam and I still have to watch Gurren Lagann and Code Geass.

I'm a disgrace, I know.

I haven't watched a lot of the more popular animé either (including those two.) My animé preferences are pretty niche.

 

[Ura]

**** reps, yay characters

I've said it 100 times and i'l say it 100 more times

There's a fine line you have to cross before a series gets bloated. I agree that the reps argument shouldn't be thrown around all the time but in the case of FE it very much should apply.

Honestly, I think some people don't even care about importance and try to suggest series for the sake of having new series rather than for any real logical reason. There's situations where it seems like people are just, "Hey, we need new series!" in the same "muh representation" fashion as suggesting a new character in an existing series. So series yet to be represented can suffer the same "muh representation" logic even outside of simply feeling something deserves it of it's own accord.

But even if the series is important, I don't think a character should be added JUST because of that or else we'd be owed playable Nintendog and Dr. Kawashima. There needs to be a balance between the character having some kind of weight and the character being functional if not outright interesting.

And of course, considering Fandom Myopia there's always a fair risk that we'll end up assigning more weight to something than it actually has.

You don't just add new series for the sake of new series though. If a new series is important to Nintendo's history or has gotten a lot of success than that's all the reason to put said series in a game. Maybe I should elaborate here.

Series important to Nintendo

Splatoon: Has garnished a huge amount of success in the past year and continues to do well; likely going to have another game on the NX and is virtually a shoe-in for the next Smash Bros game.

Nintendo Wars: Even if it's a relatively niche series Wars has spanned 8 different Nintendo platforms with 11 entries and dates all the way back to the NES era; confirmed to continue by Intelligent Systems

Rhythm Heaven: Has spanned several different Nintendo platforms and continues to do well and is likely to have a sequel in some form or fashion.

Series that aren't as important to Nintendo

Captain Rainbow: Game sold extremely poorly and is pretty much done.

Custom Robo: Is somewhat important but not important enough to have to be in the game. Sales aren't so great

Any other niche series that's unimportant: A series can be niche and still be important to Nintendo's history. Others can be niche and a lot of them can be unimportant to Nintendo.

 

[Yellowlord]

Alright; so it appears that Lady Layton is now a thing from what I hear (interesting to know that this is actually Professor Layton's daughter. I just have to question who he was married with in order for her to make an appearance). Does anybody know? I haven't actually played a Professor Layton game myself, so I do not know much outside of the fact he had a lover once.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Alright; so it appears that Lady Layton is now a thing from what I hear (interesting to know that this is actually Professor Layton's daughter. I just have to question who he was married with in order for her to make an appearance). Does anybody know? I haven't actually played a Professor Layton game myself, so I do not know much outside of the fact he had a lover once.

It's totes Luke. Or Maya Fey

 

[Yellowlord]

It's totes Luke. Or Maya Fey

Unless some sort of inter-dimensional time travel device exists in the world of Professor Layton/Phoenix Wright to actually get those two together without causing a space time crash or defying the laws of physics or just any kind of time travel laws in general, then I'm not sure it would of been Maya Fey (despite Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright existing).

As for Luke... I have no words to think of anymore after hearing that.

spidergwenplzthough

 

[Curious Villager]

Alright; so it appears that Lady Layton is now a thing from what I hear (interesting to know that this is actually Professor Layton's daughter. I just have to question who he was married with in order for her to make an appearance). Does anybody know? I haven't actually played a Professor Layton game myself, so I do not know much outside of the fact he had a lover once.

She shares a strong resemblance with Flora.....

Eitherway, we are a bit in the dark in regards to who her mother is....

 

[Cutie Gwen]

spidergwenplzthough

c:

It's possible she was adopted

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

R.I.P. Chibo Robo

Killed because Skip Ltd. jumped the shark for his last game as a cash grab (complete with an unpopular Amiibo that is now bargain bin material in GameStop).

 

[Yellowlord]

c:

It's possible she was adopted

There is that possibility, yes. In-fact, I would not be surprised at all if they ever were to reveal that in the game she is staring in. Maybe we'll end up getting a plot twist instead where she eventually meets her true mother in the game? Regardless, Professor Layton could technically have 2 adopted daughters if you add on Curious Villager mentioning Flora.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

R.I.P. Chibo Robo

Killed because Skip Ltd. jumped the shark for his last game as a cash grab (complete with an unpopular Amiibo that is now bargain bin material in GameStop).

Spoiler

I have never even played Chibi-Robo and I still feel sad about the series' fate.

 

[Soul.]

So Nintendo's First Quarter Earnings are up.

Hardware:

• 3DS: 59.79m (not 60 million. 0.94m units were sold this quarter)
• Wii U: 13.02m (0.22m units were sold this quarter)

Software highlights:

• Smash 3DS/Wii U combined has outsold Brawl at 13.13m. Brawl has sold 13.10m units as of March 2016.
• ORAS have outsold FRLG and are probably going to beat HGSS. Also, X/Y are at 14.98m which is barely 15m units.
• 3D World has now sold 5 million units worldwide.

amiibo:

Sales are down 60%, maybe because there's nothing actually supporting amiibo right now and apparently the Animal Crossing line failed, so that's why they're updating New Leaf.


tl;dr: It's been quiet for a first quarter, so it was expected they would go down. At least software is up.

 

[Curious Villager]

There is that possibility, yes; in-fact, I would not be surprised at all if they ever were to reveal that in the game she is staring in. Professor Layton could technically have 2 adopted daughters if you add on Curious Villager mentioning Fiora.

Technically, Flora isn't canonically Layton's adopted daughter, She's more of a devoted follower and protégé to Layton. (So basically, another kind of apprentice/assistant) At least, that's the case as described in her profile in the international version of Unwound/Lost Future.

Catoleil could potentially be adopted though....

 

[Coricus]

There's a fine line you have to cross before a series gets bloated. I agree that the reps argument shouldn't be thrown around all the time but in the case of FE it very much should apply.

You don't just add new series for the sake of new series though. If a new series is important to Nintendo's history or has gotten a lot of success than that's all the reason to put said series in a game. Maybe I should elaborate here.

Series important to Nintendo

Splatoon: Has garnished a huge amount of success in the past year and continues to do well; likely going to have another game on the NX and is virtually a shoe-in for the next Smash Bros game.

Nintendo Wars: Even if it's a relatively niche series Wars has spanned 8 different Nintendo platforms with 11 entries and dates all the way back to the NES era; confirmed to continue by Intelligent Systems

Rhythm Heaven: Has spanned several different Nintendo platforms and continues to do well and is likely to have a sequel in some form or fashion.

Series that aren't as important to Nintendo

Captain Rainbow: Game sold extremely poorly and is pretty much done.

Custom Robo: Is somewhat important but not important enough to have to be in the game. Sales aren't so great

Any other niche series that's unimportant: A series can be niche and still be important to Nintendo's history. Others can be niche and a lot of them can be unimportant to Nintendo.

My (admittedly kid of flawed considering the bad documentation but eh) way of handling it is to check Wikipedia and see what broke 1 million sales and that wouldn't have too many issues with implementation.

So my "representation" list is basically Splatoon, Rhythm Heaven, Golden Sun.

Maybe if I knew where on the internet a list of the series Nintendo has pumped the most games into was I could study that a bit.

At any rate, I think if a Nintendo series hits the "niche, but important" situation hard enough it might be a good idea to start considering Assist Trophies. There's more ways of nodding to Nintendo's history than just making a character. For example, right now we have Sheriff. That was Nintendo's first video game character, IIRC, and a fair few people asked for him to be playable. But at the same time he's pretty intensely obscure. That's where being an Assist Trophy comes in. You get a dose of gameplay utility, a history blurb in the Trophy description, but at the same time they don't take up the dev time of a full character. So people get a history lesson and a bullet to the face, but Sheriff isn't getting scapegoated for not being lard filled cajun jerky with a gun that looks like a record player.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

So Nintendo's First Quarter Earnings are up.

Hardware:

• 3DS: 59.79m (not 60 million. 0.94m units were sold this quarter)
• Wii U: 13.02m (0.22m units were sold this quarter)

Software highlights:

• Smash 3DS/Wii U combined has outsold Brawl at 13.13m. Brawl has sold 13.10m units as of March 2016.
• ORAS have outsold FRLG and are probably going to beat HGSS. Also, X/Y are at 14.98m which is barely 15m units.
• 3D World has now sold 5 million units worldwide.

amiibo:

Sales are down 60%, maybe because there's nothing actually supporting amiibo right now and apparently the Animal Crossing line failed, so that's why they're updating New Leaf.


tl;dr: It's been quiet for a first quarter, so it was expected they would go down. At least software is up.

I'm not surprised about the Animal Crossing line at all. Amiibo Party was nothing more than a watered down Mario Party and it's part of the reason why Nintendo's E3 last year was so hated. Not that having spinoffs instead of a new console Animal Crossing is bad, but it's one of those games that never lived it down.

 

[A Distant Demon]

c:

It's possible she was adopted

Spoiler: Ace Attorney Spoilers

So Trucy Wright?

Layton X Ace Atorny as gone too far

>Waiting for my copies of Birthright and Bravey Second to be delivered tomorrow

 

[Yellowlord]

Technically, Flora isn't canonically Layton's adopted daughter, She's more of a devoted follower and protégé to Layton. (So basically, another kind of apprentice/assistant) At least, that's the case as described in her profile in the international version of Unwound/Lost Future.

Catolein could potentially be adopted though....

Oh really now? That's interesting. However, I can't seem to find any character named Catolein based off a google search I did. Is that a nickname for her or does she have another name?

 

[Curious Villager]

Oh really now? That's interesting. However, I can't seem to find any character named Catolein based off a google search I did. Is that a nickname for her or does she have another name?

Yeah, Flora being Layton's adopted daughter is a misconception that the Professor Layton fanbase came up with and decided to roll with. Just like the whole idea of Luke....

Spoiler

Going to America at the end of Unwound/Lost Future, which was never confirmed either

Flora's relationship with Layton is a bit more complex in the Japanese version though....

And I think I probably spelled Lady Layton's full name wrong then, sorry. I'll probably need to get used to it until her English name gets revealed.... ^^;

 

[Wario Bros.]

So Nintendo's First Quarter Earnings are up.

Hardware:

• 3DS: 59.79m (not 60 million. 0.94m units were sold this quarter)
• Wii U: 13.02m (0.22m units were sold this quarter)

Software highlights:

• Smash 3DS/Wii U combined has outsold Brawl at 13.13m. Brawl has sold 13.10m units as of March 2016.
• ORAS have outsold FRLG and are probably going to beat HGSS. Also, X/Y are at 14.98m which is barely 15m units.
• 3D World has now sold 5 million units worldwide.

amiibo:

Sales are down 60%, maybe because there's nothing actually supporting amiibo right now and apparently the Animal Crossing line failed, so that's why they're updating New Leaf.


tl;dr: It's been quiet for a first quarter, so it was expected they would go down. At least software is up.

It's almost like amiibo Party was more of a sad blatant amiibo cash grab and a half-baked spin-off nobody asked for.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

R.I.P. Chibo Robo

Killed because Skip Ltd. jumped the shark for his last game as a cash grab (complete with an unpopular Amiibo that is now bargain bin material in GameStop).

Did they officially announce the death?