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Social NintenZone Social 4 - Bring It In, Guys!

When, if ever, do you plan on buying the Switch?

  • At launch

    Votes: 40 36.0%
  • Late spring/summer

    Votes: 25 22.5%
  • During the fall/holidays

    Votes: 17 15.3%
  • Sometime after 2017

    Votes: 7 6.3%
  • Not until [insert game here] is released

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • I'm not getting that bucket of turds!!

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • Total voters
    111
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**** fans.
I know if I released games the last thing I'd want aside from it being pirated is people making fangames from it.
Some poeple would be happy to see it, others aren't. Same with mods, some people are quite happy for users to generate their own content, others would prefer you did not.
 
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Hm.....

I haven't played the game yet...

But do you think Ultra Beasts are intelligent?

As intelligent as Pokemon generally are (sense of morality, ability to create bonds, figure out problems, have a language, etc)?
 
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No, the fans absolutely deserve recognition for years of work they put into their fan games. I'm not speaking as a consumer, but as creator myself. If fans are making these labours of love, and people want to give them an award for it, Nintendo should at least allow them to accept that award. It's one thing to take the games down out of fear of sales being hurt. It's another to block the creators off from any and all recognition for their work after the fact. The award itself would literally hurt nobody and shouldn't have any legal issue, especially when the games have already been taken down.
Companies don't care if you make fanworks. That means nothing for them. They care if you spend money on 'em or give feedback when asked. All they really care about is if you're legally using their ip's or not. I didn't say they don't deserve recognition either. I said that it comes with legal issues. Ones that can cause major issues. Also? Um, yeah, you're not ignoring a lot of points here. Nobody is saying them taking down fangames is a good thing. That's not our point. We're explaining why companies do that.

And yes, the sales point is BS in reality. It's irrelevant because in reality, these fan games have not actually hurt Nintendo's sales. The burden of proof for that argument is on you, and until you prove it, it's a BS argument.
You missed the point, It isn't to companies. All that matters is what they think, not us. Appeal to them, not me. I agree it's bull****. Doesn't matter what we think, though. Think more in a business way, not a consumer way. And fans are no different from consumers. The point is they're enjoying what's in the work in some way, it's not just about money. The IP is being used in a way that doesn't automatically become legal. The reason fanfiction and fanart are safe is because they clearly are not intending to recreate the same work in question(they can also be parodies, which heavily matters for legal reasons. It's why Abridged series are far safer than simply trying to redub a show. You're still putting your own work into it. It's also why sometimes Let's Plays are taken down if there isn't enough of your own personal content. Whether it's comments, funny additions/music to certain parts of the game...).
 
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On the bright side, it will be fun seeing Geoff Keighley call them out on this like he called out Konami last year. It might just be the boot up the butt they need.
There is no way in hell Keighley "calls out" a sponsor of the game awards.
 

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Hm.....

I haven't played the game yet...

But do you think Ultra Beasts are intelligent?

As intelligent as Pokemon generally are (sense of morality, ability to create bonds, figure out problems, have a language, etc)?
You've seen the leaks. So you KNOW the answer is yes. Outside of UB1, they were scared and felt threatened iirc
**** fans.
I know if I released games the last thing I'd want aside from it being pirated is people making fangames from it.
Some poeple would be happy to see it, others aren't. Same with mods, some people are quite happy for users to generate their own content, others would prefer you did not.
That reminds me of the time the Humble Indie Bundle, a bundle of games you'd need to pay a minimum of 1 single cent to get games, with the money also being charitable, being pirated
 

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You're not thinking like a business and tried comparing 1 scummy thing (Uranium wasn't even Nintendo according to the creator and it's likely the organizers decided they didn't want to accidentally piss off Nintendo) to a company that **** on it's fans and pretty much tried to go bankrupt. I think I have more right to be flaunting my ego, especially considering how many arguments your condescending tone caused in the past. Just saying
I'm aware Uranium was taken down by the creators, but that's besides the point. The game is already down. All the VGAs wanted to do was give the developers some recognition for work, even if they can't distribute that work anymore. But Nintendo couldn't even allow that, even though simply giving the game an award doesn't hurt anything when the game isn't available so readily anymore. It also doesn't break any laws.

And no, my "condescending tone" hasn't caused any arguments. If you interpret what I say as condescending, I can't help you there. I just make points.

Companies don't care if you make fanworks. That means nothing for them. They care if you spend money on 'em or give feedback when asked. All they really care about is if you're legally using their ip's or not. I didn't say they don't deserve recognition either. I said that it comes with legal issues. Ones that can cause major issues. Also? Um, yeah, you're not ignoring a lot of points here. Nobody is saying them taking down fangames is a good thing. That's not our point. We're explaining why companies do that.
Stop saying "companies", because not all companies think like this. Nintendo is one of the very few game companies who still do, actually.
 
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If you study business and think it's a sound idea to publicly disgrace the people who fund you... you need to study harder.
 

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If you study business and think it's a sound idea to publicly disgrace the people who fund you... you need to study harder.
That comment was a joke dude.

I don't believe it will actually happen, I was just saying it'd be funny and gratifying if it did.

Not that Nintendo need anyone to publicly disgrace them, though. They've been doing a good job of that themselves this entire year. :p
 

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If you need to correct someone by using "I'm a businessman" as an argument, you are blatantly waving it around. So cut it out.

Likewise, if a user is being condescending to you or acting clearly inappropriate, report it. Let the moderation handle issues like that. It's not your job to enforce the rules, it's ours.
 

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I'm aware Uranium was taken down by the creators, but that's besides the point. The game is already down. All the VGAs wanted to do was give the developers some recognition for work, even if they can't distribute that work anymore. But Nintendo couldn't even allow that, even though simply giving the game an award doesn't hurt anything when the game isn't available so readily anymore. It also doesn't break any laws.

And no, my "condescending tone" hasn't caused any arguments. If you interpret what I say as condescending, I can't help you there. I just make points.



Stop saying "companies", because not all companies think like this. Nintendo is one of the very few game companies who still do, actually.



I'm not waving it as an argument. I'm just correcting Kabuto Gwen. They tried to claim (even if indirectly) that I don't have the right to discuss these matters because I "don't study business". But I do. That's not being condescending at all. I then simply told them they shouldn't do that in the future because it adds nothing to her points and only hurts her image.
When I say 'condescending tone' I'm talking about the times you insulted people in arguments and said it's just being sassy. As a Sass Lord, I disagree with that. Again, it's just like the Project M tournament getting scrapped when Nintendo sponsored a tournament. The creators were worried they would get on their sponsor's bad side. Even then, what evidence is there to Nintendo actively taking it down?
That's a lie. Have you seen EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc.? Gaming companies all have a common weakness. They don't just want money, they want ALL of it, not some, but the maximum they can get. Ubisoft had 100 dollar microtransactions in Syndicate, and they're one of the more successful companies out there. Activision is locking a game people wanted behind a game nobody wanted, etc.
First of all, I'm a she, not a they, second, it was supposed to be that you're looking at the wrong angle and clearly weren't thinking about it from a company's point of view. I'm known both irl and here as 'asshole who makes jokes' so I wouldn't be hurting that image
 

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If you need to correct someone by using "I'm a businessman" as an argument, you are blatatlty waving it around. So cut it out.

Likewise, if a user is being condescending to you or acting clearly inappropriate, report it. Let the moderation handle issues like that. It's not your job to enforce the rules, it's ours.
...No?

If someone says something about me, that's blatantly wrong - I have every right to correct them on it. Be it my name, my age, my interests, or what I study, or what I ate for dinner last night. That goes beyond forum etiquette, that's just basic civil rights.

I also never said "I'm a businessman". I said I study business. That's not me claiming I'm some whiz on the subject or waving it around like it's something special, that's literally just me saying "you incorrectly assumed I don't study business, when I in fact do".
 
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If you feel the need to correct someone, do it respectfully. Never talk down to people. Report problems as they come up. It's far easier for a 3rd party like a Moderator to handle it than handling it solely by yourself. We're here to help everyone. You don't need to be afraid to ask for advice or anything like that.

In addition, do not respond to this message. Just read it.
 

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That comment was a joke dude.

I don't believe it will actually happen, I was just saying it'd be funny and gratifying if it did.
Oh. Yes, of course. Very funny.

I suppose you were also joking when you said the Video Game Awards aren't about selling things even though they show trailers during the event. Because anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about business knows what trailers are for.

Not that Nintendo need anyone to publicly disgrace them, though. They've been doing a good job of that themselves this entire year. :p
Their image is pretty tarnished right now, but I'd contend, as far as the public eye is concerned, they're ending the year in a better place than they started it.
 

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Oh. Yes, of course. Very funny.

I suppose you were also joking when you said the Video Game Awards aren't about selling things even though they show trailers during the event. Because anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about business knows what trailers are for.


Their image is pretty tarnished right now, but I'd contend, as far as the public eye is concerned, they're ending the year in a better place than they started it.
Sure there is an element of that. They do show trailers, make reveals, etc. I never said it wasn't without a business aspect. Nothing in the industry is.

But the VGAs are still largely about celebrating people that make the industry great I do consider that the main aspect. That's why Kojima is finally getting that "Industry Icon" award. That's why we had the beautiful tribute to Iwata last year. And that's why they wanted to make the Fan Game Award. Even most of the games that get the awards are already out a while, so while it is promotion, the awards aspect has more prominence than the business aspect.

Either way, I still believe it to be irrelevant to my initial point. I still think Nintendo blocking AM2R and Uranium doesn't do anything for them. The idea that these games "would hurt sales" was already a flimsy argument at best, but it's literally not an issue now that the games are taken down. Giving the developers an award for the work wouldn't hurt anybody, as there isn't a game to promote. If anything, I would see it giving Nintendo some well needed goodwill.

Granted, the VGAs probably should have made the award "best fan developers" as opposed to "best fan games", and maybe Nintendo wouldn't have acted (because the awards don't require the mention of Nintendo's IPs then). That doesn't make what Nintendo's doing now any more sensible, though.
 
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I see we're being very good friends in here. Very reassuring.

Anyways, I'm still trying to catch a Jolly Kartana. ***** is just being difficult at this point.
 

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Do not respond means do not respond(a specific post has been edited to reflect that).

That wasn't just a message to you, ChikoLad. It's to everyone. The holier than thou attitude is heavily on this thread by multiple people. This is a problem because it's a lack of respect towards other users.

In addition, you can always PM someone if they don't want you to respond on the thread. Now, I apologize for not specifying you can talk to me via PM, but that does not mean you can just respond to a message that is pretty clear that you're not supposed to(the important part is that you listen to what is said as well, not just by a Moderator, but when other users are explaining something to you, read everything. Don't skim parts. Don't ignore points). Again, this is to all users when they're debating.

In cases like these, if you don't want to PM, you can still the person in question, or ask in another private avenue. The point is to end it right there and keep issues and drama on this thread out of public.

If you have questions, I have a PM box available for use. Keep it there only. Any responses to this post will be edited out or deleted where applicable. In addition, any attempts to respond in an unreasonable manner will be met with an infraction. This has gotten out of hand and it needs to stop already. These extremely fruitless arguments and condescending tones towards other users is unacceptable.

That is all.
 
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Quick pre-Olivia update
"Found TM28 Leech Life"
"Teach Fomantis TM28?"
And so, it begins...
 

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Just swept my drive way. Seriously cold. Can't feel my feet.
Oh, god, don't remind me of the cold. It just suddenly super dropped yesterday in temperature. We suddenly have snow. I mean, it's latest November, so the snow is normal, but the temperature drop felt unrealistic.

Wisconsin has a major issue that way.
 

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It just suddenly super dropped yesterday in temperature. We suddenly have snow. I mean, it's latest November, so the snow is normal, but the temperature drop felt unrealistic.
That's exactly what happened here. Except the snow isn't normal around this time. I believe this is coming from some storm called Argos.
 
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Sun update:
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Coo the Decidueye
Pancakes the Raichu
Mr. Krabs the Crabrawler
Spot the Lycanroc
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I decided to evolve Pancakes because she learned Discharge, which is good enough until I get the Thunderbolt TM. The other evolved by level up so there's not much to say.
Yesterday, I visited Aether Paradise and fought UB-01, and then witnessed Lusamine's disturbing grin... This woman is definetly evil.
Then I arrive at Ula'Ula Island and Hau nearly kicked my ass.
Today I completed Sophocles' (hope I spelled that correctly) trial. That Vikavolt actually gave me some trouble.
I also fought Guzma for the first time (his battle theme is L I T A F btw) and he was also rather challenging.
I'm now on my way to the sixth trial
 

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Wasn't AM2R literally just Metroid 2 but prettier?
It was essentially a Zero Mission to Metroid II...

There's a lot more added into the game than just updated graphics...
 

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I'm replaying Gale of Darkness to kill time until Wednesday but I forgot how terrible some of the gen III movesets were. Vaporeon's only STAB moves are Water Gun and Hydro Miss while Claydol's only Ground-type move is Mud Slap (which is actually quite useful in that game). It's kind of amusing actually.
 

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I'm replaying Gale of Darkness to kill time until Wednesday but I forgot how terrible some of the gen III movesets were. Vaporeon's only STAB moves are Water Gun and Hydro Miss while Claydol's only Ground-type move is Mud Slap (which is actually quite useful in that game). It's kind of amusing actually.
You'll notice Hydro Pump rarely missing during the various tournaments, and by that, I mean you'll miss often while the opponent hits often.
 

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Gaiz DiU's 4th opening got leeked

Only bad things I heard about Uranium were ****ty designs and a glitch in which if 2 specific pokemon fight, one can never move
The "difficulty" is the bad kind. There's about a 7 level gap between what you can find wild and what you will fight from important trainers; making leveling a significant issue when the trainer amount is lacking enough that you feel an exp drought; which supposedly gets worse later on.
And you NEED to be "overleveled" to have the stats to be relatively equal to important trainers; I swear they're EV'd with potent IVs.
Third gym. I had the EVOLVED FORM OF HER ANCHOR POKEMON, 1 level below. It was crushing me in a damage race; despite having 10 more base HP, 15 more base attack, 35 more base defense, and 30 more base special defense.

Also crits are more abundant than Gen 1.
 
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Pyukumuku confirmed best girl
Tell me, what other Pokemon has its own official body pillow?
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Will we get a spinoff with a character named Pyukumuku is My Waifu in the NSwitch?
 

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I finally got a Jolly Syncro Abra, and afterwards got Jolly Kartana. The final UB awaits.

I'm gonna go with Modest I guess. Guzzlord is garbage and the only set I can find that I like is a specs set. Good thing I got a Modest Syncro Abra. So now all that's left is to find Guzzlord.
 

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Is it really a weakness when the entire purpose of a business is to make money and figure out more ways to make more money? Like, there are of course problematic ways of making money, but microtransactions aren't one of them.
 

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https://www.sunday-webry.com/comics/pokemon_sp_b2w2/ep008/

They FINALLY updated the Black 2/White 2 manga after two years of hiatus. ORAS has been done since September, while XY finished and Sun/Moon got it's first chapter three days ago. With the next new chapter out in two weeks, hopefully Vol. 53 can be released soon as there is already 10 volumes of content yet to be added to the main-steam line of releases.
 
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Check and mate.
And my girl gets her own Z-Crystal.
Pyukumuku gets Purify, proving how pure she is
She's so pure she can't even attack, truly the best waifu
https://www.sunday-webry.com/comics/pokemon_sp_b2w2/ep008/

They FINALLY updated the Black 2/White 2 manga after two years of hiatus. ORAS has been done since September, while XY finished and Sun/Moon got it's first chapter three days ago. With the next new chapter out in two weeks, hopefully Vol. 53 can be released soon as there is already 10 volumes of content yet to be added to the main-steam line of releases.
Maybe next year I'll finally be able to complete my BW Adventures collection
 
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