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[Deleted member]

Urgh, nevermind, I'm gonna wait until lv 42, because

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The Move Reminder is at Mt. Lanakila. I'd rather have a weakachu until lv 42 than that.

 

[Z25]

Dumb question: Can Wimpod call for help?

No, he sadly can't be SOS'd. Wanted his shiny to...

He runs at half hp to, ending a battle.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

No, he sadly can't be SOS'd. Wanted his shiny to...

He runs at half hp to, ending a battle.

What about Mean Look or Spirit Shackle?

 

[Z25]

What about Mean Look or Spirit Shackle?

you can use them and it wont run, but it also doesn't call for backup if you do. Which is an interesting mechanic.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Dang, Guzma is looking for the same Z-Stone I am

I want to have it on my Golisopod

 

[SuperMii3D]

Started on Pokemon Moon. The intro music is great. Time to build a Rain Team, although the Rain Dance TM is some towns away....

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I'm now considering replacing Alolan Raichu with

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Alolan Golem

on my planned team. I just wonder can I manage without any Psychic moves...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I just want the game...

RIP me...

 

[ChikoLad]

Boy Nintendo must be fun at parties.

AM2R & Pokemon Uranium Are No Longer Nominees For The Game Awards “Best Fan… https://t.co/r8USv7O2pI pic.twitter.com/JIOvNG8ldq

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 20, 2016

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Started Pokemon Sun;

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I didn't really bother to try and get perfect Nature's, etc. Just got a average Litten. That said, I named my character after Mammon, and so far, Litten(Flamed Mane), Pikipek(Cockatrice), Wingull(Wingsun), Pichu(Mousetro), Grubbin(Crawler), Slowpoke(Big Mouth), and Caterpie(Gloom Wing). For clarification, they're named after Quest 64 monsters

Boy Nintendo must be fun at parties.

AM2R & Pokemon Uranium Are No Longer Nominees For The Game Awards “Best Fan… https://t.co/r8USv7O2pI pic.twitter.com/JIOvNG8ldq

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 20, 2016

They're unofficial hacks. They really can't promote this kind of stuff, regardless of their feelings on it. They want people to buy official games, after all.

Also, they already had the games pulled online. Even if they wanted to promote them via a nomination, now that they made it look like they're against them existing, any kind of promotion would make their ideals inconsistent and would cause a bigger uproar. It's a tough situation at this point.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Twitter friends showed me a shindanmaker about being a Gym Leader
https://en.shindanmaker.com/648076

he audacious pretty girl.
preferred type: fairy
badge: hail badge
extra: platform shoes

I'll take it, not shabby

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Boy Nintendo must be fun at parties.

AM2R & Pokemon Uranium Are No Longer Nominees For The Game Awards “Best Fan… https://t.co/r8USv7O2pI pic.twitter.com/JIOvNG8ldq

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 20, 2016

I always thought the fan game section was just waiting for legal trouble. I'm not sure why its there to begin with.

That said, why is Pokemon Uranium even there?

It's kinda bad.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I always thought the fan game section was just waiting for legal trouble. I'm not sure why its there to begin with.

That said, why is Pokemon Uranium even there?

It's kinda bad.

Probably cause it's fairly well known. That said, agreed. The section doesn't work for video game awards. If it was about their opinions on fanart/fanfiction of the various Nintendo games, that'd be different.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

it was about their opinions on fanart/fanfiction of the various Nintendo games, that'd be different.

I can understand why fan games are there. They are still games after all. I could never explain why they would take time in the Game Awards and rate Fanart/Fanfiction.

 

[praline]

Boy Nintendo must be fun at parties.

AM2R & Pokemon Uranium Are No Longer Nominees For The Game Awards “Best Fan… https://t.co/r8USv7O2pI pic.twitter.com/JIOvNG8ldq

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 20, 2016

Well I mean those are their own series. You wouldn't want someone else benefitting off something you owned.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well I mean those are their own series. You wouldn't want someone else benefitting off something you owned.

I mean, the Doom guys liked the Doom Fangame.

So it isn't unprecedented.

I'm just saying, this should have been something the Game Awards saw coming.

 

[Chrono.]

I mean, the Doom guys liked the Doom Fangame.

So it isn't unprecedented.

I'm just saying, this should have been something the Game Awards saw coming.

Weren't they in because of fan votes though?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Well I think I've done everything aside from the Battle Tree and probably finding some NPCs who'll give me items.
Time to get crackin' on the Pokedex.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Weren't they in because of fan votes though?

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying a Fan Games Section in general is a legal mess and probably should have been avoided.

Not to downplay the quality of said games, but its a big risk.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I can understand why fan games are there. They are still games after all. I could never explain why they would take time in the Game Awards and rate Fanart/Fanfiction.

I'm talking about the legal thing. It'd be different with non-fangames. Not saying that they should have stuff like fanfiction there, just pointing out how those are far less taken down, even with legal issues. I worded that, poorly, so I apologizes.

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying a Fan Games Section in general is a legal mess and probably should have been avoided.

Not to downplay the quality of said games, but its a big risk.

Indeed. They can be quite amazing as is. Although I think the issue could be a difference between a hack and a fangame. But the key issue to companies is using their IP, not necessarily modifying their games. Of course, anybody trying to get money off of somebody's IP without permission is in the wrong by default. Don't steal and try to make money off somebody else's work, mmkay?

 

[Aurane]

Currently soft resetting for a Jolly Kartana. Fortunately it isn't a difficult process.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Really if best fan creation is going to be there, it should only be for projects where the rights holders are ok with the project.
Thought if the Game Awards are serious about being THE awards ceremony for video games, I don't think best fan creation should be a category.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gaiz DiU's 4th opening got leeked

I always thought the fan game section was just waiting for legal trouble. I'm not sure why its there to begin with.

That said, why is Pokemon Uranium even there?

It's kinda bad.

Only bad things I heard about Uranium were ****ty designs and a glitch in which if 2 specific pokemon fight, one can never move

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Only bad things I heard about Uranium were ****ty designs and a glitch in which if 2 specific pokemon fight, one can never move

Now that glitch is awful.

Reminds me of Wobbufett.

Regardless, I've heard complaints about pace, cringey writing and lag.

Dunno how true those are but man...

Those designs are ugly...

 

[Chrono.]

Now that glitch is awful.

Reminds me of Wobbufett.

Regardless, I've heard complaints about pace, cringey writing and lag.

Dunno how true those are but man...

Those designs are ugly...

The pacing and difficulty curve were definitely weird, the writing was okay as far as I got, as for lag, yeah the framerate drops like it's hot at any given moment and then there's the weird bugs like near constant critical hits.

Some of those may have been fixed though.

But still, I consider it average at best. Pokemon Sage isn't even finished and it's a far better game already, I've also played better ROM hacks.

 

[ChikoLad]

Started Pokemon Sun;

Spoiler

I didn't really bother to try and get perfect Nature's, etc. Just got a average Litten. That said, I named my character after Mammon, and so far, Litten(Flamed Mane), Pikipek(Cockatrice), Wingull(Wingsun), Pichu(Mousetro), Grubbin(Crawler), Slowpoke(Big Mouth), and Caterpie(Gloom Wing). For clarification, they're named after Quest 64 monsters

They're unofficial hacks. They really can't promote this kind of stuff, regardless of their feelings on it. They want people to buy official games, after all.

They're not hacks, they are games built from the ground up. There is a difference.

And please don't use the BS argument of "they hurt sales". Metroid isn't selling new products right now (nobody cares about Federation Force anymore and not many did in the first place, and Nintendo knows this), and Pokemon just had a record breaking shipment, and even in this very thread, I have seen people talk about buying three potential versions of Gen 7, on top of whatever merchandise comes out. Pokémon Uranium is not hurting anyone or anything.

And hell, the Game Awards are not about selling stuff in the first place. They are about celebrating the people that make the indusrty so great, and fans are a part of that.

All this shows is that Nintendo is still behind the times in regards to the changing climate of the video game industry. In a world where SEGA is putting out one of the most hotly anticipated Sonic games in years due to help from fan developers, and where we have official mod support for some console games, Nintendo insists on being the spoiled brat of the class that won't dare share it's toys (or even reap the benefits they would get from doing so).

On the bright side, it will be fun seeing Geoff Keighley call them out on this like he called out Konami last year. It might just be the boot up the butt they need.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Now that glitch is awful.

Reminds me of Wobbufett.

Regardless, I've heard complaints about pace, cringey writing and lag.

Dunno how true those are but man...

Those designs are ugly...

What? You're saying this doesn't look like a perfect pokemon to you?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And please don't use the BS argument of "they hurt sales". Metroid isn't selling new products right now

On the bright side, it will be fun seeing Geoff Keighley call them out on this like he called out Konami last year. It might just be the boot up the butt they need.

With AM2R available for free, there is literally no reason to spend 3 bucks on the eshop for the original. That's a case in which it WOULD hurt sales

Geoff's kind of a shill I hear, and if Nintendo's sponsoring VGA, he'd sooner piss himself on stage than give them ****, They're providing his job for him there

 

[Aurane]

I'm a big dummy. A big... Big dummy...

I forgot Synchronize makes finding specific natures easier. I could've had 4 Jolly Kartana easy, but now I ****ing goofed. I may actually reset just so I can get them with perfect Natures. With three extra Jolly Kartana, I could've traded them for Moon exclusives, etc.. Wouldn't mind replaying the game now that I understand it better.

EDIT: Actually no **** it, I don't want to restart.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Can you find the UB's in Shiny naturally?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What? You're saying this doesn't look like a perfect pokemon to you?

That thing is a Pokemon?

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Can you find the UB's in Shiny naturally?

I think they're all coded not to be shiny.

 

[ChikoLad]

With AM2R available for free, there is literally no reason to spend 3 bucks on the eshop for the original. That's a case in which it WOULD hurt sales

Geoff's kind of a shill I hear, and if Nintendo's sponsoring VGA, he'd sooner piss himself on stage than give them ****, They're providing his job for him there

You're implying that Nintendo does anything to promote that release of Metroid II or make people aware it exists. It's a done product. If it didn't sell when it first came out, it won't sell now. I could also make the argument that the existence of AM2R encourages sales of the original due to curiosity. People might want to see how it actually differs.

And that's not what you said last year when he called out Konami.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They're not hacks, they are games built from the ground up. There is a difference.

My bad. However, it's the same issue for companies regardless. It's using their IP to create works that could take away sales from official ones.

And please don't use the BS argument of "they hurt sales". Metroid isn't selling new products right now (nobody cares about Federation Force anymore and not many did in the first place, and Nintendo knows this), and Pokemon just had a record breaking shipment, and even in this very thread, I have seen people talk about buying three potential versions of Gen 7, on top of whatever merchandise comes out. Pokémon Uranium is not hurting anyone or anything.

Of course they don't actually hurt sales(depends the work though, but it doesn't usually hurt Pkemon ones. It probably did hurt Federation Force sales, though. Also, Gamefreak/etc. aren't keen on people using their IP). But that's still what the company goes with, and being they own the IP, and it's not a parody of the work in question, they can legally have it taken down.

And hell, the Game Awards are not about selling stuff in the first place. They are about celebrating the people that make the indusrty so great, and fans are a part of that.

This does not apply to actual fangames in itself. The fans are a part of it due to buying games, at least in the companies' view. Remember, this is Nintendo taking it down. Think like a businessman in this case, not a consumer. I'm not saying I agree with the action(besides legal issues that could cause unnecessary drama)

All this shows is that Nintendo is still behind the times in regards to the changing climate of the video game industry. In a world where SEGA is putting out one of the most hotly anticipated Sonic games in years due to help from fan developers, and where we have official mod support for some console games, Nintendo insists on being the spoiled brat of the class that won't dare share it's toys (or even reap the benefits they would get from doing so).

No, it actually shows that they think fangames take from their IP's. This isn't comparable to fanficiton/fanart, as they are entirely different things. A fangame is something people can get instead of of their games. This is a legit fear they have, even if it rarely happens(but it can, and that's the problem for them). Applies the same way for hacks, in this case. Of course, modifying a rom is actually illegal compared to making a fangame. The thing is, for fanworks? They can be considered a problem if they're not a parody of a work. This is why it's so easy for them to take down a fangame(again, hacks are easy to take down cause they can be considered illegal for modified actual content, not making your own content entirely simply using an IP). Do I think it's silly they're taking down the fangames? Yes. However, fangames were always iffy to have at an awards ceremony. Especially when Nintendo would be promoting unofficial works of their IP's. That alone is a legit reason to take it down. It's why they can barely say much about Project M besides "It exists", which is the most positive allowed without making it look like they're promoting what is a hack.

On the bright side, it will be fun seeing Geoff Keighley call them out on this like he called out Konami last year. It might just be the boot up the butt they need.

They're fine for taking down fangames, especially ones they took down from being downloaded. This is a smart thing to do. If they were to actually let them go for a ceremony(which promotes it), then the fact they took them down in the first place looks inconsistent. They already chose to be against those fangames. They can't go back on that.

Also, with The Pokemon Company and Gamefreak around, it's no surprise that a Pokemon Fangame got taken down. If it had uses entirely unique stuff, and a different name, that'd be fine. If it's not making money, they couldn't go after it in general even if it used the same engine, because tons of developers reuse engines anyway to make unique games. A lot of this is IP protection and making sure sales feel guaranteed. And no, the sales point is not bull**** either. It should be, but it isn't in reality.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That thing is a Pokemon?

It is in Uranium

I think they're all coded not to be shiny.

That's what I thought...Eh, I like shiny Buzzwole

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You're implying that Nintendo does anything to promote that release of Metroid II or make people aware it exists. It's a done product. If it didn't sell when it first came out, it won't sell now.

And that's not what you said last year when he called out Konami.

Except sales would STILL be hurt, and THAT bothers Nintendo there. If you sold something and someone across the street gave away something better for free, you'd be pissed too. I take business classes, I think I understand this situation a bit more than you do

Konami practically left the gaming industry, and they didn't bloody sponsor VGA. You're not going to go "My boss is such a ****, I hate his guts and hope his wife wants a divorce" when he's right there, are you? Same situation

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You're implying that Nintendo does anything to promote that release of Metroid II or make people aware it exists. It's a done product. If it didn't sell when it first came out, it won't sell now. I could also make the argument that the existence of AM2R encourages sales of the original due to curiosity. People might want to see how it actually differs.

If it's being sold on the VC, it is not a "done" product. That means it's active. It's done when it cannot be sold anymore on the VC, which is never. That's how business works. If they take off the ability to download it, then you can claim this. It's not about it being advertising, it's about whether it's actually available or not. I learned that ages ago where I work. Advertisements totally does get more sales, yes. But products will sell until they cannot be sold any longer(like the materials are gone). The VC version is now gone(and why would it be?), so until the Wii U itself no longer can go online, and Metroid II isn't on any other VC anymore, it's an active product.

I probably did repeat myself a bit, but it's important to realize that active products don't need advertising to matter to a company when they make decisions.

And that's not what you said last year when he called out Konami.

Last year is irrelevant. Kabuto Gwen, like other people, can change their minds. There's possibly other context(like not liking a company as much as another one. I mean, we all have bias, and that's fine).

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna have to leave this thread for a while because people keep posting stuff without spoiler tags :/

Anyways, I just realised I'm so ****ing dumb because I forgot the nectars are miscellaneous items so they can be traded.
So, can anyone that has already gotten ro the third island and can get a Red Nectar trade one with me?

 

[ChikoLad]

My bad. However, it's the same issue for companies regardless. It's using their IP to create works that could take away sales from official ones.


Of course they don't actually hurt sales(depends the work though, but it doesn't usually hurt Pkemon ones. It probably did hurt Federation Force sales, though. Also, Gamefreak/etc. aren't keen on people using their IP). But that's still what the company goes with, and being they own the IP, and it's not a parody of the work in question, they can legally have it taken down.


This does not apply to actual fangames in itself. The fans are a part of it due to buying games, at least in the companies' view. Remember, this is Nintendo taking it down. Think like a businessman in this case, not a consumer. I'm not saying I agree with the action(besides legal issues that could cause unnecessary drama)


No, it actually shows that they think fangames take from their IP's. This isn't comparable to fanficiton/fanart, as they are entirely different things. A fangame is something people can get instead of of their games. This is a legit fear they have, even if it rarely happens(but it can, and that's the problem for them). Applies the same way for hacks, in this case. Of course, modifying a rom is actually illegal compared to making a fangame. The thing is, for fanworks? They can be considered a problem if they're not a parody of a work. This is why it's so easy for them to take down a fangame(again, hacks are easy to take down cause they can be considered illegal for modified actual content, not making your own content entirely simply using an IP). Do I think it's silly they're taking down the fangames? Yes. However, fangames were always iffy to have at an awards ceremony. Especially when Nintendo would be promoting unofficial works of their IP's. That alone is a legit reason to take it down. It's why they can barely say much about Project M besides "It exists", which is the most positive allowed without making it look like they're promoting what is a hack.


They're fine for taking down fangames, especially ones they took down from being downloaded. This is a smart thing to do. If they were to actually let them go for a ceremony(which promotes it), then the fact they took them down in the first place looks inconsistent. They already chose to be against those fangames. They can't go back on that.

Also, with The Pokemon Company and Gamefreak around, it's no surprise that a Pokemon Fangame got taken down. If it had uses entirely unique stuff, and a different name, that'd be fine. If it's not making money, they couldn't go after it in general even if it used the same engine, because tons of developers reuse engines anyway to make unique games. A lot of this is IP protection and making sure sales feel guaranteed. And no, the sales point is not bull**** either. It should be, but it isn't in reality.

No, the fans absolutely deserve recognition for years of work they put into their fan games. I'm not speaking as a consumer, but as creator myself. If fans are making these labours of love, and people want to give them an award for it, Nintendo should at least allow them to accept that award. It's one thing to take the games down out of fear of sales being hurt. It's another to block the creators off from any and all recognition for their work after the fact. The award itself would literally hurt nobody and shouldn't have any legal issue, especially when the games have already been taken down.

And yes, the sales point is BS in reality. It's irrelevant because in reality, these fan games have not actually hurt Nintendo's sales. The burden of proof for that argument is on you, and until you prove it, it's a BS argument.

Except sales would STILL be hurt, and THAT bothers Nintendo there. If you sold something and someone across the street gave away something better for free, you'd be pissed too. I take business classes, I think I understand this situation a bit more than you do

Konami practically left the gaming industry, and they didn't bloody sponsor VGA. You're not going to go "My boss is such a ****, I hate his guts and hope his wife wants a divorce" when he's right there, are you? Same situation

I study both business and the creative and legal processes of the game industry. But you don't see me waving that around as an argument.

Stop assuming you know more than others for no reason. Keep your ego out of it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, the fans absolutely deserve recognition for years of work they put into their fan games. I'm not speaking as a consumer, but as creator myself. If fans are making these labours of love, and people want to give them an award for it, Nintendo should at least allow them to accept that award. It's one thing to take the games down out of fear of sales being hurt. It's another to block the creators off from any and all recognition for their work after the fact. The award itself would literally hurt nobody and shouldn't have any legal issue, especially when the games have already been taken down.

And yes, the sales point is BS in reality. It's irrelevant because in reality, these fan games have not actually hurt Nintendo's sales. The burden of proof for that argument is on you, and until you prove it, it's a BS argument.



I study both business and the creative and legal processes of the game industry. But you don't see me waving that around as an argument.

Stop assuming you know more than others for no reason. Keep your ego out of it.

You're not thinking like a business and tried comparing 1 scummy thing (Uranium wasn't even Nintendo according to the creator and it's likely the organizers decided they didn't want to accidentally piss off Nintendo) to a company that **** on it's fans and pretty much tried to go bankrupt. I think I have more right to be flaunting my ego, especially considering how many arguments your condescending tone caused in the past. Just saying