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[ChikoLad]

Why no Rosalina and no Duck Hunt? They fit those criterias pretty well too.

Because we need to snuff out the hentai and the animal cruelty.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Wolf is a clone, still don't know how the idea that he's not became so popular back in the ballot days

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Why no Rosalina and no Duck Hunt? They fit those criterias pretty well too.

Being fair, Rosalina could fall into the tech issues part of the rule. Not that I'd think it'd be a problem for next game, but still.

 

[ChikoLad]

Being fair, Rosalina could fall into the tech issues part of the rule. Not that I'd think it'd be a problem for next game, but still.

...What "tech" issues?

 

[Opossum]

Wolf is a clone, still don't know how the idea that he's not became so popular back in the ballot days

Because many of his move animations and effects are different than either Fox or Falco...?

 

[Champ Gold]

Wolf is a clone, still don't know how the idea that he's not became so popular back in the ballot days

Because he fits a criteria that people (including me) believes that he's part of a incomplete roster.

To be fair, he takes the less work and has fans so it makes sense and unlike a Roy, he has more of a legacy than just one game and being more related to Smash

 

[Bananija]

Being fair, Rosalina could fall into the tech issues part of the rule. Not that I'd think it'd be a problem for next game, but still.

If the 3ds version was enough to handle her, I don't see why the Switch couldn't.

Because we need to snuff out the hentai and the animal cruelty.

No, we need more.

And, by this logic, we should take out a lot more of character than Rosalina.

 

[Jaedrik]

Why no Rosalina and no Duck Hunt? They fit those criterias pretty well too.

I forgot Rosalina and had Duck Hunt when I put it into text but forgot him when putting in the emotes, my goodness guys ya tryna assume things about my agenda you don't even know fam

Seems about right.

Then again, a lot of our rules have been shattered before.
At this point let's just say there's no predicting who will stay and who will go.

Anna still the best choice for another FE character at this point regardless tbh

I'd like to point out that I used a few rhetorical tricks on this page to get away from explicitly stating that I was wrong in my reasons for declining Robin and turning you all to the compromise side MHUHUHAHAUHAH also the whole message was caps locked and I had to use uncapslock.com to uncaps it because I was too lazy to retype it.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Because many of his move animations and effects are different than either Fox or Falco...?

Legit not sure if this is sarcasm or not

 

[Deleted member]

I really shouldn't care but I have weird mindset that works like this

I have that mindset too, but then I think "this is not going to go anywhere so why even bother?"
Ever since I started doing this, I have been feeling much better

 

[Jaedrik]

Wolf is a clone, still don't know how the idea that he's not became so popular back in the ballot days

His normals are less clone-y save back air and his specials are different enough. He's a solid semi-clone like Luigidorf.

 

[Champ Gold]

Because many of his move animations and effects are different than either Fox or Falco...?

Ehh, having different effects and animations really don't mean much.

I mean his reflector works the same and Falco has different animations and stuff but people still push him hard as this unnecessary clone.

If the 3ds version was enough to handle her, I don't see why the Switch couldn't.

No, we need more.

And, by this logic, we should take out a lot more of character than Rosalina.

Still like that Swimsuit costume pack please

 

[praline]

My ****ing hands are ice blocks. It's hard to wear gloves and also type on a touch screen.

 

[Jaedrik]

And, by this logic....

We need to delete Smash Bros. because we need less violence in the world.

 

[Aurane]

Legit not sure if this is sarcasm or not

There are mechanical and visual differences that separate Wolf from Fox much like how Toon Link separates himself from Link. Multi-hitting attacks, sweet spots, etc..

I honestly don't care about Wolf that much. Pre-speculation just made him an annoyance rather then a decent character option to me. But I'd vote for him if that vote also counted Young Link, who I'd love to see make a comeback, and if he has changes, Hyrule Warriors is a basket of goodies when it comes to potential.

But I'm not going there. That's thin ice to me.

 

[Opossum]

Legit not sure if this is sarcasm or not

It's absolutely not.

I'm honest in saying that I feel most people in the Wolf is a Clone camp think specials are the only moves in a Moveset.

 

[Champ Gold]

It's absolutely not.

I'm honest in saying that I feel most people in the Wolf is a Clone camp think specials are the only moves in a Moveset.

I wonder why? Hmm...

Spoiler

 

[AlphaSSB]

Wolf is a clone, still don't know how the idea that he's not became so popular back in the ballot days

Wolf is actually really different. Only shares a couple of attacks and a Final Smash, but otherwise, he is his own character.

 

[ChikoLad]

Wolf is a semi-clone.

I still don't understand how people feel he isn't, yet will try to say Ganondorf isn't a clone. I've always felt Wolf felt much less like a clone than Ganondorf.

I think people are overly pedantic with the concept of clones when it comes to animations. Wolf's Up Smash for example, is the same animation as Sonic's Up-Air, that's true...but one is still an Up Smash, and the other is an Up-Air. They are two COMPLETELY different applications of the animation, and you will still use both moves completely differently.

Falcon Punch and Warlock Punch though? Yeah, they have some slight differences, but at the end of the day, both are still a Neutral B that is designed to be a super powerful but super punishable move that sends people flying.

 

[Opossum]

I wonder why? Hmm...

Spoiler

And yet no one calls Shulk a Captain Falcon clone when their Final Smashes are, mechanically, the same.

One attack, or even like, three, a clone does not make.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

It's absolutely not.

I'm honest in saying that I feel most people in the Wolf is a Clone camp think specials are the only moves in a Moveset.

Wolf to me is as different from fox as falco is to fox.He has some different visual flair and a couple unique moves(some of which is ripped straight from other characters but neither here or there) but at the end of the day doesnt change the fact he is a fox clone

Wolf is actually really different. Only shares a couple of attacks and a Final Smash, but otherwise, he is his own character.

Ok

 

[Wolfie557]

Brace yourselves for some maybe controversial opinions based on the last few pages:

>As long as the FE character is completely new and preferbly uses something other than swords, (already used) magic or shape-shifting, I'm fine with another FE newcomer. Also, Lucina > Roy imo. Be great if they both stay, but to cut down the FE reps I'd kill off Roy first.

>I don't think Mario should get a newcomer next time. I know it's thier biggest IP but c'mon, I think they can take a break for one Smash game. Instead, why not some DK/Wario characters?

> Squirtle & Ivysaur would be great to return idfc. Separated, tho. Would take either of them over Wolf if I could only choose one.

>I would love another Square Enix character or two. Capcom I wouldn't mind another character either as they have so many great IPs like MH, DMC (preferred choice) or RE. I don't want SEGA getting another character in personally.

>The only "rule" I have ever had is 'pls no second character for a 3rd party series'. Before they add, say, Eggman to Sonic I want to see more franchises get the chance. Until I'm satisfied, this rule stays for me. Not saying it can't possibly ever happen, before anyone jumps to false conclusions.

>Zelda, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade, (yes even) Fire Emblem have the most diverse pool of characters to choose from imo, not including 3rd parties. **** relevance / importance. I want very unique and generally fun characters. Period.

=)

 

[Jaedrik]

... think specials are the only moves in a Moveset.

That's because normals suck and Kirby stone and Pikachu thunder are the best moves in the game.
Ah, to be young again...

 

[Champ Gold]

And yet no one calls Shulk a Captain Falcon clone when their Final Smashes are, mechanically, the same.

One attack, or even like, three, a clone does not make.

Look man, he came in the game late as hell with no Mewtwo or Roy, he had similar **** to Fox and Falco here and there and had a final smash which was already ****ty which was in the game 3 TIMES



I was 14 then and still was feeling the extreme level of salt

 

[Opossum]

Brace yourselves for some maybe controversial opinions based on the last few pages:

>As long as the FE character is completely new and preferbly uses something other than swords, (already used) magic or shape-shifting, I'm fine with another FE newcomer. Also, Lucina > Roy imo. Be great if they both stay, but to cut down the FE reps I'd kill off Roy first.

>I don't think Mario should get a newcomer next time. I know it's thier biggest IP but c'mon, I think they can take a break for one Smash game. Instead, why not some DK/Wario/both characters?

> Squirtle & Ivysaur would be great to return idfc. Separated, tho. Would take either of them over Wolf if I could only choose one.

>I would love another Square Enix character or two. Capcom I wouldn't mind another character either as they have so many great IPs like MH, DMC (preferred choice) or RE. I don't want SEGA getting another character in personally.

>The only "rule" I have ever had is 'pls no second character for a 3rd party series'. Before they add, say, Eggman to Sonic I want to see more franchises get the chance. Until I'm satisfied, this rule stays for me. Not saying it can't possibly ever happen, before anyone jumps to false conclusions.

>Zelda, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade, (yes even) Fire Emblem have the most diverse pool of characters to choose from imo, not including 3rd parties. **** relevance / importance. I want very unique and generally fun characters. Period.

=)

Maybe it just says something about my tolerance level for supposedly controversial Smash ideas, but I don't think anything here is too controversial.

 

[Champ Gold]

Maybe it just says something about my tolerance level for supposedly controversial Smash ideas, but I don't think anything here is too controversial.

Nah, I have some hot takes but I like to keep them to myself mostly for the sake of less arguments

#Let'sKeepThePeace

 

[Schnee117]

Plenty of unique characters share moves and this will be more frequent moving forwards because there's only so many new moves you can actually add.

Away from that though:

Spoiler

Halo confirmed for Nintendo Switch, Master Chief confirmed for Smash

 

[praline]

Wolf is his own character cause he has his own slot.

 

[Coricus]

I don't really care whether or not Wolf is a clone and would be fine seeing him back in.

What I don't get is how people now seem to act like he's nigh-universally loved and wanted when in the days before "anime" scapegoating he was basically the go-to character for people who actively wanted cuts to call for the head of, both because of the clone accusations and to a lesser extent because "Star Fox has too many characters."

People being mad that other characters were added while he remained cut should understand the way he was treated prior to 4. That isn't to say they can't want him back, just that they shouldn't blame other characters for his own problems.

Granted, that issue's not the most relevant NOW since the issue is actually coming back up again, but right when the Ballot ended people acted like there was no reason Wolf should have been ignored when no. . .no, there was a reason. And one that is especially. . .interesting. . .considering the way Wolf fans acted about Fire Emblem characters.

 

[ChikoLad]

Also, I would like to remind people.

Y'all begged for to come back.

That makes the whole "Wolf is a clone" argument irrelevant anyway.

 

[Wolfie557]

Also, I would like to remind people.

Y'all begged for to come back.

That makes the whole "Wolf is a clone" argument irrelevant anyway.

I definitely didn't. Granted, I never player melee so couldn't care less.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Tbh I'd take pichu over Roy and wolf any day at least he had a unique gimmick

 

[Champ Gold]

I don't really care whether or not Wolf is a clone and would be fine seeing him back in.

What I don't get is how people now seem to act like he's nigh-universally loved and wanted when in the days before "anime" scapegoating he was basically the go-to character for people who actively wanted cuts to call for the head for, both because of the clone accusations and to a lesser extent because "Star Fox has too many characters."

People being mad that other characters were added while he remained cut should understand the way he was treated prior to 4. That isn't to say they can't want him back, just that they shouldn't blame other characters for his own problems.

Granted, that issue's not the most relevant NOW since the issue is actually coming back up again, but right when the Ballot ended people acted like there was no reason Wolf should have been ignored when no. . .no, there was a reason. And one that is especially. . .interesting. . .considering the way Wolf fans acted about Fire Emblem characters.

It isn't mostly like that it's just that everyone needs a scapegoat for why their character wasn't in the game

Last time it was

Then it was

Next time it might even be or anything else


There's no theory for salty folks

 

[Autumn ♫]

Personally, Wolf feels like the only character absent to me in the current roster, like I didn't unlock him yet. I completely understand why Snake's probably not in, along with Squirtle and Ivysaur, and I keep forgetting Ice Climbers exist.

You know, it's funny to me how I was a huge advocater for Roy to return, but now if we lose a Fire Emblem character, I it him to be him. I don't want to lose any character though, not from any franchise. I like them all.

 

[Schnee117]

Brace yourselves for some maybe controversial opinions based on the last few pages:

>As long as the FE character is completely new and preferbly uses something other than swords, (already used) magic or shape-shifting, I'm fine with another FE newcomer. Also, Lucina > Roy imo. Be great if they both stay, but to cut down the FE reps I'd kill off Roy first.

>I don't think Mario should get a newcomer next time. I know it's thier biggest IP but c'mon, I think they can take a break for one Smash game. Instead, why not some DK/Wario characters?

> Squirtle & Ivysaur would be great to return idfc. Separated, tho. Would take either of them over Wolf if I could only choose one.

>I would love another Square Enix character or two. Capcom I wouldn't mind another character either as they have so many great IPs like MH, DMC (preferred choice) or RE. I don't want SEGA getting another character in personally.

>The only "rule" I have ever had is 'pls no second character for a 3rd party series'. Before they add, say, Eggman to Sonic I want to see more franchises get the chance. Until I'm satisfied, this rule stays for me. Not saying it can't possibly ever happen, before anyone jumps to false conclusions.

>Zelda, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade, (yes even) Fire Emblem have the most diverse pool of characters to choose from imo, not including 3rd parties. **** relevance / importance. I want very unique and generally fun characters. Period.

=)

The only ones I don't agree on there are Mario not getting a newcomer next time (I agree that Wario and DK could do with some more) and the character from pre-stablished third party series.
Otherwise yeah, screw "muh reps" and gimme the Xenoblade 1 cast. Except Sharla and Juju. Screw those guys.

People being mad that other characters were added while he remained cut should understand the way he was treated prior to 4. That isn't to say they can't want him back, just that they shouldn't blame other characters for his own problems.

Granted, that issue's not the most relevant NOW since the issue is actually coming back up again, but right when the Ballot ended people acted like there was no reason Wolf should have been ignored when no. . .no, there was a reason. And one that is especially. . .interesting. . .considering the way Wolf fans acted about Fire Emblem characters.

To be fair some people did leave Smash speculation after Brawl and people joined for Smash 4 so there's probably a shift there.

Also, I would like to remind people.

Y'all begged for to come back.

That makes the whole "Wolf is a clone" argument irrelevant anyway.

ineveraskedforthis.jpg

 

[Aurane]

Maybe it just says something about my tolerance level for supposedly controversial Smash ideas, but I don't think anything here is too controversial.

Is removing Jiggs a controversy still? Because I still want that to happen. :V

 

[Jaedrik]

Is removing Jiggs a controversy still? Because I still want that to happen. :V

It's not a controversy when only one person wants it to happen

 

[Coricus]

It isn't mostly like that it's just that everyone needs a scapegoat for why their character wasn't in the game

Last time it was

Then it was

Next time it might even be or anything else


There's no theory for salty folks

The most bizarre thing about it is that most scapegoats are characters that take a fraction of the development time to make on account of being clones and would continue to take a fraction of the development time to make compared to newcomers if readded by being pre-existing characters with ready-made movesets and coding that is capable of being carried over from game to game.

They wouldn't have gotten their character whether the clones happened or not.

As for the ones with unique movesets, they typically had specific criteria attached to them, so if they weren't added then *insert character here* STILL wouldn't have happened, even if there's a bit more wiggle room for the argument than with clones. But cutting them still wouldn't give you *insert character here* because a veteran is still less effort than a newcomer.

And most of the characters people are upset over not having strike me as less important than most of the characters that get in over them, with perhaps a handful of exceptions. Even characters like Dark Pit and Lucina can look famous in comparison to some of the characters someone out there is likely outright upset over not getting.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I found this on Animal Crossing's TVTropes Page

Self Depreciation

• The Welcome amiibo update brings in a Wii U console, in either white or black, that you can play in your house. One of the ways to get one is through a fortune cookie. Its fortunes read, "Great artists aren't always appreciated in their own time," and "If you stray from the path, you will soon find yourself lost."

Wow, Nintendo.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't understand the concept of actively wanting a character to be cut.

I can somewhat understand not wanting a character to come in to begin with, but when the character has already been added, that's akin to wanting someone to be fired when they already worked to get that job fair and square.