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Champ Gold

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As usual, we should wait to hear the details about this youtube thing, and not react with little to no information. Sure, it might not be the best practice, but I bet it'll be mostly unnoticeable for 99% of us.
 

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Hey PushDustIn PushDustIn , we've had the same thread title for like a week now...

Getting sloppy are we ;)

My suggestion : 'Swamp? Where we're going, we don't need Swamp.' in honour of the day.
 

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As usual, we should wait to hear the details about this youtube thing, and not react with little to no information. Sure, it might not be the best practice, but I bet it'll be mostly unnoticeable for 99% of us.
I think it's more wise when we react with very little information to go on. That always works best.
 
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Classifying disliking any aspect of a character as "fine" is a slippery slope.

Let's say I dislike Daisy because she is a woman. Is that "fine"?

The line is going to have to be drawn somewhere over what's fine to dislike and what isn't... this is just a discussion about where that line is it seems. I think disliking a character based on voice is valid, but when it's just a few voice clips instead of like full dialogue it does seem a little picky.
I was lurking, and this really caught my eye (also surprised to see a familiar face, but that's beside the point).

I have to entirely disagree with you on this one Katie.

People are entitled to hold whatever opinion they like over anything, and to voice and express that opinion, no matter how ****ed up that idea might be, so long as it isn't harming anyone. It's a universal human right: free speech.

Drawing the line over what is "fine" or not is the real slippery slope. How do you label what is ok for discussion and what is not? How do you keep monitoring fair and objective? And finally, what makes something ok and something else not when the values of society always change? How do you balance that? Who polices the police, you know what I'm saying? How do you prevent subjective opinions from taking over the system, and abusing it to promote their skewed values?

The best system for the proper filtration of good and bad ideas is one in which you allow an open discussion for all sorts of opinions and ideas, those ideas that can't stand criticism, will eventually die out.


For this to happen, you need to allow that people have the freedom to hold and express whatever idea they might have, no matter how absurd.

You have to give everyone an equal platform, even if they're a racist prick. I might not like the Confederate flag, but people are free to be openly racist to their own liking.

For example, I might not agree with the notion that Daisy is a bad character because of her gender, however, whoever might hold such opinion has every right to have and express it. You can't dictate what values people choose to adopt, and you can't label some value systems as acceptable, and others as not. You can't take away people's freedom of choice and opinion, it's like trying to control their will, and that is a far bigger sin. This person might then voice such opinion, and I can then openly look at it, and analize WHERE the sentiment is coming from, and why it's objectively incorrect. I could agree that Daisy is a bad character, but not due to her gender, but rather because she's uninspired and boring.

Then, though this person might not agree, and start crying, and will not change their mind, other people can objectively view both ideas, and reason over which holds more weight.

You see, if you create a system in which you start drawing lines over what is "fine" and not then you limit the opportunity for objectivity to clear out dumb opinions. This is especially bad since the majority opinion tends to be led by herd mentality in which most don't bother to look into the facts for themselves and just pick a side on a whim. Combine those two, and I'm sure you can see why this is a recipe for disaster, which... it has been, many times throughout history in fact.

If you start saying that some ideas are "fine" and others "not." Then it's very easy for skewed and incorrect concepts to quickly take power, and it quickly becomes authoritarianism.

Funny enough, it's always the weaker value systems that try to push for some sort of censorship (religion, extreme feminism, social justice movements, etc...), because they know they can't face objective criticism.

Anyway, this caught my eye because it's been a topic I've discussed with numerous people lately after Anita Sarkeesian made the headlines a couple weeks ago for being stupid enough to ask the UN to monitor the internet because she wants to stifle dissent and criticism of her ideas, all in the name of "stopping cyber bullying" and her "one-true feminism."

All censorship is bad Katie, period, and I stand firmly against it. Let objectivity and reason naturally filter out stupidity.


"There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance."
Hippocrates

After all, you wanna be a journalist right? You should be all in favor of free speech. ;)

Anyway, my two cents, not here to debate. This place already does a fine job at silencing unpopular opinions. But I felt it was worth expressing regardless.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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For dinner tonight my family is ordering half pepperoni half green pepper pizza from Pizza Hut. We are all huge Back to the Future nerds. And we're probably going to watch at least part 2 tonight.
 

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Played some of the SFV beta.

Ken and Mika feel smooth af, Vega is kinda confusing and I didn't really like Necalli.
 

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So, show of hands.

How many people still actually believe the leak?

I don't. Roger's given up on it too.
 
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What exactly does this mean, could I have a simple explanation that doesn't need the reader to have an understanding of the previous 10 years on laws past, and have a through knowledge of the legal system.
From what I gather, Red is simply a service the viewer can pay for to avoid ads. It's also bundled in with Google Play which offers additional features like letting you continue listening to whatever was playing with your laptop/ipad/whatever closed.

In short, it's ostensibly nothing but good things. The questionable part is in forcing content creators to sign it Or Else.

Speaking of which... as a content creator myself, I'm a bit alarmed I haven't been notified of this yet. As far as I know, our channel is considered a 'partner,' though we don't get enough views to have been paid a nickel yet. I'd think they'd still want us to sign something in the event we eventually do start earning money.
 

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Heh.
Game & Watch looks like a bunny.
Silly Game & Watch, what are you doin' being a bunny.
Spriting this guy is fun.
And even still I think I'm the first guy to make sprites of his SM4SH 4 Incarnation (Lankier, Thinner Limbs, funner movements, etc) and not Melee / Brawl)
heh
 

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Did you just lump Dixie and Daisy together?

I figured that would get one response like this. Like I said, I just find them bland, I'm still happy when fans of them get to see them in new things though. That counts right?
 

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So, show of hands.

How many people still actually believe the leak?

I don't. Roger's given up on it too.
It's not over til it's over, but things aren't looking good for it.

I'm pretty certain it's fake. Not just the RogersBase info, but the additional nonsense Stealth tacked on, too.
 
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Heh.
Game & Watch looks like a bunny.
Silly Game & Watch, what are you doin' being a bunny.
Spriting this guy is fun.
And even still I think I'm the first guy to make sprites of his SM4SH 4 Incarnation (Lankier, Thinner Limbs, funner movements, etc) and not Melee / Brawl)
heh
hippity hop hop.png

See, look
It's a bunny
's a little Bunny G&W.
heh.
 

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Does they have anyone else revealed so far?
How do you get the beta BTW? I couldn't regardless as I don't have a PS4, but I'd like to know anyways.
You get it by preordering the game at certain retailers, I used Gamestop (preordering only takes $5 so you could just cancel and get your money back later on), you should get a code for the beta in your receipt.

As for the characters, Karin and Rashid are scheduled to come for the last two days of the beta. Other than those two and the aforementioned ones, no one else is playable.
 

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I was lurking, and this really caught my eye (also surprised to see a familiar face, but that's beside the point).

I have to entirely disagree with you on this one Katie.

People are entitled to hold whatever opinion they like over anything, and to voice and express that opinion, no matter how ****ed up that idea might be, so long as it isn't harming anyone. It's a universal human right: free speech.

Drawing the line over what is "fine" or not is the real slippery slope. How do you label what is ok for discussion and what is not? How do you keep monitoring fair and objective? And finally, what makes something ok and something else not when the values of society always change? How do you balance that? Who polices the police, you know what I'm saying? How do you prevent subjective opinions from taking over the system, and abusing it to promote their skewed values?

The best system for the proper filtration of good and bad ideas is one in which you allow an open discussion for all sorts of opinions and ideas, those ideas that can't stand criticism, will eventually die out.


For this to happen, you need to allow that people have the freedom to hold and express whatever idea they might have, no matter how absurd.

You have to give everyone an equal platform, even if they're a racist prick. I might not like the Confederate flag, but people are free to be openly racist to their own liking.

For example, I might not agree with the notion that Daisy is a bad character because of her gender, however, whoever might hold such opinion has every right to have and express it. You can't dictate what values people choose to adopt, and you can't label some value systems as acceptable, and others as not. You can't take away people's freedom of choice and opinion, it's like trying to control their will, and that is a far bigger sin. This person might then voice such opinion, and I can then openly look at it, and analize WHERE the sentiment is coming from, and why it's objectively incorrect. I could agree that Daisy is a bad character, but not due to her gender, but rather because she's uninspired and boring.

Then, though this person might not agree, and start crying, and will not change their mind, other people can objectively view both ideas, and reason over which holds more weight.

You see, if you create a system in which you start drawing lines over what is "fine" and not then you limit the opportunity for objectivity to clear out dumb opinions. This is especially bad since the majority opinion tends to be led by herd mentality in which most don't bother to look into the facts for themselves and just pick a side on a whim. Combine those two, and I'm sure you can see why this is a recipe for disaster, which... it has been, many times throughout history in fact.

If you start saying that some ideas are "fine" and others "not." Then it's very easy for skewed and incorrect concepts to quickly take power, and it quickly becomes authoritarianism.

Funny enough, it's always the weaker value systems that try to push for some sort of censorship (religion, extreme feminism, social justice movements, etc...), because they know they can't face objective criticism.

Anyway, this caught my eye because it's been a topic I've discussed with numerous people lately after Anita Sarkeesian made the headlines a couple weeks ago for being stupid enough to ask the UN to monitor the internet because she wants to stifle dissent and criticism of her ideas, all in the name of "stopping cyber bullying" and her "one-true feminism."

All censorship is bad Katie, period, and I stand firmly against it. Let objectivity and reason naturally filter out stupidity.


"There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance."
Hippocrates

After all, you wanna be a journalist right? You should be all in favor of free speech. ;)

Anyway, my two cents, not here to debate. This place already does a fine job at silencing unpopular opinions. But I felt it was worth expressing regardless.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I argued against callously generalizing opinions into extreme brackets in which divisive opinions would be categorized as innocuous, not that people weren't entitled to those opinions or the freedom to express them. People can think whatever they want and everyone should be entitled to speak their mind.
 
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I keep not using my E-Shop money because of the possibility of something dropping.

I know the second I use it, Nintendo will stealth upload a newcomer trailer.
 

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I figured that would get one response like this. Like I said, I just find them bland, I'm still happy when fans of them get to see them in new things though. That counts right?
Eh. I don't think it's really right to lump a character who is little more than a filler for sports games with one who actually plays a large role in her home series.
 

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Dixie is a chimp who enjoys bubblegum, plays electric guitar, and uses her hair to fly.

That's anything but ''bland."
 

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I keep not using my E-Shop money because of the possibility of something dropping.

I know the second I use it, Nintendo will stealth upload a newcomer trailer.
Lmao yeah

Thats what happened with me and the last two patches, not falling for it a 3rd time Ninty >~>
 

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Eh. I don't think it's really right to lump a character who is little more than a filler for sports games with one who actually plays a large role in her home series.
Oh, I wasn't comparing them really, I just brought up two characters I don't really find the appeal in. I don't have to many examples though, so I used those two. Sorry for the confusion, I find them no where near comparable in terms of series importance. I just was using them as 2 separate examples.
Dixie is a chimp who enjoys bubblegum, plays electric guitar, and uses her hair to fly.

That's anything but ''bland."
I mean, yes she would have a unique moveset. As I said I don't oppose her, I just don't find the appeal in Dixie.
 

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I changed the protagonist's name to Katie this time. Not going through hell the first time.
Frisk Genocide
FRISK GENOCIDE
FRISK SANS
DOSANSWITHFRISKASYOURNAME
JUST DO IT
 

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An appropriate song in light of the dry spell.

We passed upon the forum
Spoke of pre-release
Although he wasn't there
He said he was my source
Which came as a surprise
I spoke into his twitter
You must've been banned, a long
a long long time ago
Oh no
Not me
It never was a poll
You're face
to face
With the Man Who Trolled Smash Bros.

I left and liked his post
And made my way to Smashboards
I searched for forumlands
For weeks and weeks I roamed
I gazed at my glaring screen
With all the posters there
We must have all been banned
a long long time ago
Who knows?
Not me
It never was a poll
You're face
to face
With the Man Who Trolled Smash Bros.
 

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Frisk Genocide
FRISK GENOCIDE
FRISK SANS
DOSANSWITHFRISKASYOURNAME
JUST DO IT
But you can't if you're named Frisk because Hard Mode ends with Toriel


Quick question if I ever do want to raise my stats, would the stats be carried over in a second new game play through? Like New Game+?
Nope. Although the game remembers everything you do for every playthrough so... you might want to play nice the first time you play. Just a heads up.
 
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