Nintendo opening up to competitive games?

[Big-Cat]

Smashchu, I'm not even going to argue this anymore. I am not conceding defeat or anything. We are both too stubborn to agree with each other. It's just like the same conversations in the past, with the same results.

 

[|RK|]

They are polar opposites. Two opposing forces can not exist in the same room lest they kill themselves.

-1 + 1 = 0

0 is a number.

Besides, mistake or no, Melee was there.

 

[Big-Cat]

I take back what I said earlier.

There are few reasons that can be argued for the declining sales in the SF series. First off, there were numerous updates to Street Fighter II. People may have decided not to be that dedicated to the series so they did not buy the next expansion. Second, like the arcade industry, 2D fighters have been in danger of becoming a thing of the past (or so I heard). With that in mind, this would justify sales of Alpha 3. Third, if I have heard correctly, the series became too complex for some people over time. Thus, potential players were discouraged.

Assuming that I'm correct on those three, those three reasons are why the sales have decreased.

Anyway, developers should not be shy to encourage competitive play. Since games with competitive players in mind have so much depth, it gives incentive for players to come back playing again. I have not been able to do this with Brawl because of it being too simplistic sometimes (and my lack of wanting to learn ATs).

If developers focus too much on the EM, then there might not be too much replay value. Thus, consumers may be hesitant to buy games. Therefore, too much EM focusing may be detrimental to the industry.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Nintendo? Competitive gaming? lol nice joke.

 

[GHNeko]

More like.

Iwata? Competitive gaming? lol funny joke.

 

[Nybb]

Can I point out Starcraft? Generally considered to be one of the best pc games ever, if not one the best ever. I play with my friends for fun even now, how many years later (13?). In middle school I played probably 4 nights a week for hours, everything from normal games to silly custom maps (i.e. Evovlves, TD's, LotR, etc). But look at the competitive scene. Top professionals could actually rush me with cloaked carriers before the game even starts. And the ubertop earners are millionaires.

Granted, this is incredibly hard to achieve. But it has been done.

 

[|RK|]

But this is Nintendo. No matter how long we wait, they'll find a dumber audience. Example being Nickelodeon's shows. Marketed to teens unlike myself who don't know quality.

 

[theONEjanitor]

just to clear it up, Nintendo officially asked Sirlin to make the videos AND to make them from a competitive standpont (according to Sirlin). And presumably they watched and approved what he came up with.

I really don't think that means anything though.

 

[Vayseth]

I'd like to know where he got the specifics of the chain grab.

...OH WAIT.

That ******* better start crediting me and the DDD boards because I KNOW Nintendo didn't give him that stuff.

Plus he was *WRONG*.

 

[theONEjanitor]

I'm pretty sure he's not taking credit for the discovery of anything. He's just relaying knowledge. That's like saying Wak is taking credit for wavedashing in melee.

Also, we have to realize that NINTENDO asked him to make this videos.

and NINTENDO =/= SAKURAI

 

[Lore]

Still, Nintendo seems to care more about the casuals now, and this video changes nothing.

What they don't seem to realize is that they don't have to make it easy or more random to appeal to casuals. Heck, just look at guitar hero. Even better, look at melee. Those games weren't meant for the casuals, they were meant to be for just one kind of person. Gamers.

 

[iFaiL]

Lol it wuld be funny if nintendo actually help those guys make brawl+ and sell it in markets and give them some cash if it sells good

 

[pure_awesome]

Still, Nintendo seems to care more about the casuals now, and this video changes nothing.

What they don't seem to realize is that they don't have to make it easy or more random to appeal to casuals. Heck, just look at guitar hero. Even better, look at melee. Those games weren't meant for the casuals, they were meant to be for just one kind of person. Gamers.

Melee was intended as a casual game, and ultimately was.. The competitive community just beat the crud out of that dream.

 

[Firus]

I don't think many people would buy Brawl+ since it's free after an SD Card and SD Card reader. And no matter what, it was created as a form of hacking. Nintendo will never condone that.

It would be funny, and it's fun to dream about, but it's never going to happen.

 

[§leepy God]

Lol it wuld be funny if nintendo actually help those guys make brawl+ and sell it in markets and give them some cash if it sells good

♪ I would be sad if that happens. It's ashame to see how many people use Brawl+ just to be playing it like it's a reguler game, it's basicly sickning to me of how many people like this. †

 

[LoyalSoldier]

*facepalm*

Street Fighter 2 did not sell for 18 years; no game does. To say I can not compare the two is idiocy at the highest level. Why can't I? They are from the same franchise. If we factor population growth into the equation, we can compare anything. Watch me.

Notice something? That's right, despite the industry "growing" and the population growth, fewer people are playing Street Fighter. What's happening. "Oh, it's because arcade fighters are no more. Thus it doesn't sell well" Tekken, Smash bros, and Soul Caliber have all done well despite arcades are no more. Let's see how Street Fighter 4 is doing.

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Why, look how few they sold. And sales are dropping. What does it tell us. No surprise, despite being on two different systems, sales are worse then previous Street Fighters. When looked individually, it looks pretty grim.

So why are sales going down. Well, my answer was that it has alienated most of it's 6 million user based and failed to bring in fresh blood. How? By focusing on the few Street Fighter fanatics. Eventually, the franchises will shrivel and die, if it hasn't already.

Terrible logic. You forget SF4 has been released in one of the worst economical periods since the great depression. You can't compare the two directly without noticing all of the conditions. Back in the 90s the economy was in a huge boom cycle so people had more money to throw around.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ I'll say that them putting this in Nintendo Channel is opening up to competive gamers that don't browse through the internet or look at this website but look at Nintendo Channel. ☆

 

[Big-Cat]

I wonder if Nintendo is not making the video for competitive players. Rather, it's probably being made to make more people gamers instead of casual players.

I know this is a pipe dream, but what if Nintendo has a plan that involves gradually breaking in new gamers into gaming? If this is the case, then we may be back to more hardcore games in the future.

 

[thesage]

Again I ask: "Why did Nintendo hire sirlin, a non smash pro, over somebody way more knowledgable about this stufff from the actual smash competitive scene?"