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theeboredone

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My prediction is that the Saints will lose whenever they have to go on the road in the playoffs. They have yet to win a game on the road in the playoffs. That's why I"m also hoping Saints lose or 49ers win out to retain home field.

And Mav just further proved my point. NFC North has 3 crappy teams and one great team. The NFC East can't decide who's top dog. I remember when they used to be called the NFC bEAST
 

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49ers gonna poop on the Saints.

The Texans were my Superbowl team a few weeks ago, but now... :urg: It seems the whole world is against them.

The Colts would be ******** to trade Peyton Manning. That's basically giving a team a Superbowl win. rofl. No way can Luck do half the things Peyton does to keep his team competitive every year. Especially not right away.
 

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49'ers- the only legit playoff contender of both divisions as of this moment. 29th passing offense. number 1 defense in the league. I know they're good. but i'm not gonna jump on the superbowl bandwagon yet. they have had a VERY easy schedule and their best wins are the 8-5 lions then the 7-6 giants. they kinda remind me of the 2000 ravens with a beast defense and a average offense. Not the typical make up for a superbowl team. If Frank Gore wasn't such a tank that offense would go 3 and out every drive. Alex Smith is having a good year if he doesn't have more picks than td's. lol
And you have to give all the credit to Jim Harbaugh. Almost the exact same team and started 9-1.

but look at their wins/losses and margin. Since the nfc east/west play each other this year lets take a look. the 49'ers lost to the cowboys in ot. That's fine, then you look at the redskins/giants/eagles and they were all 1 score games. They blasted the rams and seahawks the first go around and split the series with arizona but blasted them in their win and barely lost to em this past weekend.

What does that tell ya?

The Cowboys beat the 49'ers, hawks, and rams. They would have beaten the cards if Dan Bailey didn't get frozen by his own coach.

The Redskins are the worst team in the nfc east and 3 of their 4 wins are the hawks/cards/rams. hahaha **** this bull. Redskins > NFC West

The Giants went 2-2 and the eagles went 1-3. but the eagles are 3-1 in their own division and the Giants are your current nfc east leader.

the nfc west is top heavy with 1 team while the nfc east has way more balance.

combined the nfc east beat the west this year 9-7.

Obviously the common denominator here is the rams. "dragging it down a bit" lol against these two divisions they are 0-10. LOOOL mother****ing traaaaaaaasssshhhhh. just the rams alone take away any rep the 49'ers have tried to gain for that sorry *** division.

Your trying to say that the hawks/cards are just as good as the giants/boys/eagles. hahaha 4 of the 12 wins the hawks/cards have put together are the rams. how do you get virtually 2 free wins and still only have 6 by now.

I appreciate your loyalty towards your teams division. buuuut the fact is..

THEY OBVIOUSLY BLOW LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL.

nfc east > nfc west
 

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THEY OBVIOUSLY BLOW LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL.
I was actually agreeing with your post up until you said this. This little patch of ignorance completely blew out any legitimacy your post had. Do you not recall the 49er's batch of great seasons/5 championships with Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jerry Rice/Terrell Owens not 10 years ago? And what about the Greatest Show on Turf, with Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and a stunning defense led by defensive coordinator Lovie Smith (traitor)? Or should I also remind you of Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen and the Fearsome Foursome? Or how about Eric ****erson, who STILL holds the record for most rushing yards in a single season? To go on, even though Seattle may not have had the richest playoff history, players such as Shaun Alexander (one of only 4 RB's, two NFC West RB's, that have had 20 TD's in consecutive seasons), Steve Largent (held the majority of the NFL's receiving records before Jerry Rice came along), and legendary tackle Walter Jones. The only team to not have a rich history while in the division is the Cardinals, and even they have had a Super Bowl appearance, one which they probably should've had imo.

In short, don't hate either just because you have pride in YOUR division. Better yet, just don't hate! Hell, the only rivalries I understand hate for are the Steelers/Ravens and the world/T.O.
 

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You're just looking at the overall season's worth compared to what's been going on recently. If I had to make a "power rankings", I would argue that the Cardinals and 49ers are easily better than anyone in the NFC East. The Seahawks can also be put up there given how they have been playing of late.

The Redskins and Rams are both dead in the water. No matter what team the Cowboys play, it will always be a nail biter. Whether it's the 10-3 49ers or the lowly Dolphins. For as many nail biters Dallas won, they could have easily lost. Vice versa. Outside of this win vs Dallas, the Giants had been slumping with losses to the 49ers, a beat down from the Saints, and then a well played game with the Packers. Really though, it was sad to see how many blown defensive assignments were committed by both sides last Sunday night.

The Eagles...while talent heavy have yet to show any semblance of consistently putting wins together.

Overall, both Seattle and Arizona are one game behind Dallas/Giants. Seattle and Arizona are currently playing with momentum, while Dallas is sputtering and I don't know what to say about the Giants.
 

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Oh im not saying the NFC West is better. I'm just saying the Giants would probably have a similar record if they were in the NFC West, considering they've lost to the Seahawks and the 49ers. But if you're gonna call us trash, we're pretty much equal trash with the NFC East (Although if the NFC West and NFC East had to all play each other away and at home, I'd expect the NFC West to have the better record)

Yes, Drew Brees got out-slinged by Matt Hasselbeck. I don't care about the stats or "well, you know, actually Drew Brees threw for more yards!" in the NFL terms, Drew Brees got outdueled by Hasselbeck that day. And if the Seahawks didn't have a nasty habit of sleep-walking through the first half of road games, that Chicago game could have been fun. That's why part of me was hoping Tavaris would keep struggling, so that we would be in the running for Andrew Luck and we'd have a pretty beastly all around team. Because I'm not convinced he is the long term option. He is just like Alex Smith to me, who I wouldn't trust in the post-season. And come on man, barely beating the Rams to get in? 10 points is a pretty average amount to win by in the NFL. Barely winning would be a last second field goal down by 2 to win by 1.

If anything, the Seahawks proved they are more consistent than the Bucs. In theory, Bucs should be having a better year because we gimped ourselves a little bit by winning that playoff game and going from the 8th overall pick to 24th or whatever it was. And I know every team can play "what if" in the NFL, but the Seahawks were 2 plays away from being controlling their wild card spot destiny right now. Even the always-biased against the Seahawks commentators admitted we got screwed out of that Browns game. Yeah, you dont want a game to hinge on one play or call, but sometimes if its a bad day, it does. And in a 6-3 win for the Browns, Leon Washington got a punt return STOLEN from him late in the game. Even the commentators called it a phantom call. And then if we didn't choke horribly vs the Redskins. I'm glad Pete Carroll says we had that game won, because we did.

Last year when we lost, it was pretty bad. But only for a couple games this year was I REALLY disappointed. The Falcons game we had a huge rally and almost beat them. 49ers we had on the ropes until special teams blew up in the final 3 minutes. Browns game, defense was on the field 45 minutes and Charlie Whitehurst couldnt do ANYTHING (but got a punt TD stolen) Cowboys game was a respectable loss on the road. Bengals game was kind of disappointing and got out of hand. Steelers game we're cursed, we havent scored on them in 2 meetings since the Superbowl.

And it's not that unrealistic to trade Peyton to the NFC. The Colts would only run into him if he made it to the Superbowl, which would require the dethroning of the Packers or another team who steps up. Plus, Peyton will cost them a lot if they keep him, and they can probably get a first round draft pick and a player for Peyton. Plus, the Colts WILL DRAFT ANDREW LUCK no matter what, and it doesn't make sense to trade him away. Peyton is amazing, but he's running out of elite years (if any, we'll see after the injury but I think he has a few left in him) and the Colts are already outside their Superbowl window. So drafting Andrew Luck in theory doesnt help a Peyton Manning team. Get value for Peyton, build for the future because the Colts window is gone.
 

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In defense of the Eagles, the only reason they aren't 10-3 is turnovers. Eliminate the dumb fumble/INT against the Bills, Vick making a redzone fumble with <2 min left in the 1st half against the Falcons (made halftime 14-10 Falcons instead of 17-7 Eagles) by way of the most random free rusher allowed in any game I've ever seen, Ronnie frikkin Brown against the 49ers, Vick throwing an INT straight into a Cardinal LB.....I could go on, but you don't even have to take away every single turnover from those games to say they most likely win those games. Never mind how bad the defense is, never mind not giving the best running back in the NFC the ball more often, even never mind what else leads to blown 4th quarter leads. It's just turnovers.

Edit: The fifth game I would mention would be the Bears game, which really should have been won after Matt Forte fumbled twice. Then DJax goes and does his amazing punt return fumble. Not to mention the BS roughing the passer call that gave the Bears a fresh set of redzone downs (but what else is new about these penalties?).
 

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Yeah, the roughing the passer calls are getting out of hand the past couple years. A lot of these hits look pretty clean too. What if you didnt hit the QB because you thought he was throwing it, but hepump faked and then burned you for it because you were afraid of getting the roughing the passer call?

And don't even get me started on Safety play.. As other NFL people said, you can hardly even call it the Safety position anymore because you can't hit any WR who doesn't see you coming without getting a 15 yard penalty..
 

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At BS, turnovers are part of the game. It's a coach/player issue. The 49ers would be way worse if they didn't take care of the ball. Alex Smith with only 5 picks after 13 games.
 

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Yeah, it's a part of the game, but it's not like they have significant problems moving the ball, don't create at least some takeaways, or have glaring problems at certain positions outside of the LB position (safeties playing like crap this year too, but they're playing by Juandamentals). Been beating themselves since Week 2.
 

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I was actually agreeing with your post up until you said this. This little patch of ignorance completely blew out any legitimacy your post had. Do you not recall the 49er's batch of great seasons/5 championships with Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jerry Rice/Terrell Owens not 10 years ago? And what about the Greatest Show on Turf, with Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and a stunning defense led by defensive coordinator Lovie Smith (traitor)? Or should I also remind you of Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen and the Fearsome Foursome? Or how about Eric ****erson, who STILL holds the record for most rushing yards in a single season? To go on, even though Seattle may not have had the richest playoff history, players such as Shaun Alexander (one of only 4 RB's, two NFC West RB's, that have had 20 TD's in consecutive seasons), Steve Largent (held the majority of the NFL's receiving records before Jerry Rice came along), and legendary tackle Walter Jones. The only team to not have a rich history while in the division is the Cardinals, and even they have had a Super Bowl appearance, one which they probably should've had imo.

In short, don't hate either just because you have pride in YOUR division. Better yet, just don't hate! Hell, the only rivalries I understand hate for are the Steelers/Ravens and the world/T.O.
I gotta add some trash talk when I talk football. It would be boring if you didn't. I'm a ****ing panthers fan for christ sake. take your best shot. it's not hard.

I hear ya though, but don't act like I don't know who any of those players are. I recall the greatest show on turf. When they lost to my panthers in the divisional round back in 03. a young steve smith burnt the **** outta that cracker jason seahorn in double ot *****. yea even the great :smirk: great jake dellhome was able to eek out a super bowl appearance. big deal he didn't win it. so i don't bring it up. the only thing that matters is rings.

so i'm ****ing sick of hearing about the cards and their first and LAST super bowl appearance. and it was because of kurt warner. and they didn't even win so stop ****ing bringing bull**** from the past into arguments about today's NFL. this isn't directed towards you only melon. and i'm not an ******* i just like to cuss. it's just, when i start talking about football and who's better and all the other nonsense i hate it when somebody jumps into a time machine and talks about what happened like 10 years ago. the cardinals will always suck cause they're the cards and they wouldn't be the cards if they didn't suck. nobody wants to play football in arizona. that team is gonna get taken over by skelton if kolb doesn't step his game up.

but yea, this is by far the worst rams team in recent memory though. I know they have a rich history. but i'm talking about today. i like to talk about what i've seen on tv yesterday not what i read about in my spare time. the seahawks are inconsistent sort of like my panthers where they are good for a playoff appearance every 2-3 years. but it doesn't mean jack. and don't even consider last year a success. they have 6 wins this year and 2 against the awful rams. i think that monday night game got jem all giddy cuz his hawks laid the smackdown on st. louis.

my argument stands that those 3 teams plus the 49'ers are not better as a whole division then the nfc east. all i had to say was the last place redskins would be second in the west but i hate saying **** like that cuz it makes no sense.

if i come off as a hater i'm probably hating. i could really sense the bias in yalls arguments. being hawks and rams fans to my knowledge i believe. i personally try my hardest to not have a bias because for one i'm a panthers fan, and two i love the nfl more than the panthers. it's the only sport i watch on consistent basis. every sunday i'm sitting in front of somebody's tv watching football from 1 to 12am. then monday night football the next day.

but i'm done talking about these teams for now. i can't take it anymore. lol

speaking of monday night football. STEELERS VS 49'ERS coming up. can't wait for this ****. the first legitimate test for the overrated kings of the nfc west. lol

i'm willing to do some avy/sig bets. u guys know who i'm taking :cool: fux wit me.
 

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The 49ers game is big to keep ahead of the Saints. At the same time...if Big Ben can't go (I'm sure he will), it's gonna...not mean as much. On the other side, if Patrick Willis can't go...same thing.
 

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I meant, if one or the other can't go...it's gonna be a big disadvantage for said team and it won't mean as much compared to if both could go. So from the talk of "Oh the 49ers beat the Steelers...without Big Ben." Then that's not saying much.
 

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My playoff predictions: (number=seed)

AFC:
1 or 5: Ravens
2: Patriots
3: Texans
4: Broncos
5 or 1: Steelers
6: Titans

NFC:
1. Packers
2. Saints
3. 49ers
4. Giants
5. Falcons
6. Lions

Notes: Ravens and Steelers. It all depends if baltimore drops a game or not. I think Pittsburgh is winning out. Ravens have dropped games to bad teams all season.

Titans: I think they are going to be the shocker and make it in at 6th seed. I think the jets are losing to the giants, and the titans will pull an upset on houston as long as they can slow arian foster down. Plus houston may have nothing to play for.

Saints over 49ers: Simple. I think the 49ers are going to lose to pittsburgh and the saints will win out, making them 13-3 and the 49ers 12-4.

Lions: Their only real competition is Dallas, and I think the giants will sweep them. Chicago will lose to greenbay. I think lions finish 10-6 and make it in.
 

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I meant, if one or the other can't go...it's gonna be a big disadvantage for said team and it won't mean as much compared to if both could go. So from the talk of "Oh the 49ers beat the Steelers...without Big Ben." Then that's not saying much.
gotcha, that would ruin the game if either couldn't suit up. u could argue patrick willis is more important to his team then big ben. the leader and mlb of the leagues number 1 defense. ben is having a great year though. i use to hate him when he won that super bowl in his second year. but he's really turned into an elite qb.
 

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Ben's having a great season, and even before the season he has had this year, I wouldn't pick any other QB over him to lead my team. My only gripe is he gets sacked too much, but I blame his Oline(which is getting better and better), and his playstyle(one of the reasons he does so well). So in reality, I really can't hold it against him.

This year in particular, I blame the emergence of one of the top receiving corps in the league that formed in the past couple years, almost out of nowhere. Think about it:

The only awesome receiver we've had since Ben started is Hines Ward, whos will be going to Canton when he retires. Even now as the #3, he has so much experience he's helping all the young receivers get better that much faster.

We lose santonio holmes, then out of nowhere mike wallace appears and makes us forget about him. Fastest receiver in the league and arguably the most dangerous deep receiver as well.

Now this year Antionio Brown bursts onto the scene. A 6th round draft pick, his teammates praise how hard he works, and its truly remarkable how good he is in only his second year. He's so humble too. I have a jersey of him ordered, and its only the second jersey i have, the other being hines ward. I have a lot of respect for this guy and see a bright future.

I've already went over Hines

4th is Emmanuel Sanders, who isn't bad. He lost his #2 position to Brown. We also picked up Jerricho Cotchery from the Jets. Not bad either, should of had 2 tds in one game but one got called back because of holding on the other side of the field.

Lastly, lets not forget Heath Miller, our starting Tight End. Not fast, but excellent over the middle short yardage receiver, and one of Ben's favorite red zone targets.

Thatw the receiving game. We also have a good RB in Mendenhal. No way he's top five, but I'd put him at around the 10th best RB.

Ben's said he feel's this is the best offense he's been a part of so far, and I'm inclined to agree. Our only issue this season is our banged up O-line. Sometimes I wonder how much duct tape is being used to hold it together.
 

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Someone thinks they'd be winning less with Peyton Manning?

because I still haven't found my own .gif, thanks tery

 

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Lol Seth. I think you are taking it way too seriously. And I agree to your point to a certain extent. But the past always affect the future. The last game you play, the playstyle/results may affect your play the next week. Yeah, you're only as good as you are on that day, but do you think the Saints have forgotten how it felt to walk out of Seattle losers in the biggest playoff upset ever? (I believe the numbers were worse than the Giants/Patriots spread) I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints come off blazing hot in the playoffs.

And the Packers being 19-0 or w/e if you include the end of last season. Yeah, it's last season but it is still changing them now.

And in my heart of hearts Seth, if the NFC West and NFC East faced vs each other, 8 games total, each with a home and away game, I'd be surprised if the NFC West didn't come out with more wins. And the reason the past is important is because, really, wtf has the NFC East outside the Giants done over the past years? People talk about the AFC North not only because of how competitive the Steelers and Ravens are this year, but because of how competitive they are EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

On the current topic: There are some Quarterbacks you just can't change. Brett Favre was always going to be a gunslinger. Cam Newton will always be the crazy playmaker he himself is. Tim Tebow will always have the awkward throwing motion. And Big Ben will always try to shrug a guy off or make a play. And considering he's been to 3 Superbowls, it seems to be working for him.
 

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Must be tough, Florida having 3 NFL teams and all 3 of them being bad this year

When youre from the northwest you get to pick one.. and you deal with it :D
 

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I hate watching sports games recorded. I can just check the result on my phone and it loses all meaning if I watch it then .-.
 

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Yeah, I never understood recording a live event and watching it later, especially sports. Its not the same when the outcome is already known by everyone except you lol. What if you run into someone when youre gone thats like WOOOO *shouts result* in celebration of your town
 

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Yeah, I never understood recording a live event and watching it later, especially sports. Its not the same when the outcome is already known by everyone except you lol. What if you run into someone when youre gone thats like WOOOO *shouts result* in celebration of your town
I won't, because I'll be around people playing tennis, who also happen to be missing the game lol. And on the very rare instance that happens, oh well. Life sucks.
 

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I dunno, even if I didn't want to check my phone...there's just a certain feeling of watching it live and "being with the team" rather than watching it later when you can always look up the results.
 

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I was in this same predicament with the 2004 NBA Finals between the Pistons and the Lakers. For games 1 and 2 I had to be somewhere those nights. I didn't have a pre-recorder, but I planned to watch the games on ESPN at 3 AM.

This method didn't work though, because all games on ESPN at 3 AM aren't shown in full due to time contraints. I find it ridiculous because they always show the same Sportscenter episode 6-8 times in a row. I'm sure they could cut back on 2 of them.

When I attempted it for Game 1 it was working for awhile, but then I got sick of them skipping ahead. For Game 2 I came home in the 3rd Quarter and was like "screw it I'm watching." Luckily I got to watch the rest of the series live.
 
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