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No, I meant Ultimate specifically. Seriously; imagine not only what potential new custom specials you could give the veterans (even if you had to reuse the old ones) but the potential custom moves for the newcomers.
It's not actually a good idea, but when being forced to add 3 more Mega Man characters, it would be weird to ignore the entire EXE subseries.
Mega Man got picked over MonHun and Resi.
Or just the Echoes alone. Like, that would've gone a long way for some. Daisy especially would've been perfect with some alternate moves.
Thats what smash already does lol
It has a music track and a Mii costume, things neither Legends or Star Force have in Smash.
You have one thing confused, EXE has no music in smash, your thinking of Star force, which has its main theme.
Yes and no. It's the Star Force main theme, but it's the version arranged for Megaman.EXE Operation Shooting Star. The percussion is louder for the OSS version while the Star Force version is lighter. And when comparing the Smash version, it is the OSS version. Therefore, it counts.
I'd honestly be shocked if he wasn't in. He's basically been the most requested first party by a country mile since Ultimate was formally announced and he was deconfirmed. Someone at the Washington Post was paid to write an article on his exclusion and the corresponding fan demand for his inclusion. He's got far too much popularity to not be included at this point.
I agree that Ninja Gaiden would likely out-prioritize Dead or Alive for getting a newcomer, but I still think Dead or Alive would certainly be on the table if there's an extended DLC period. DoA has a history going back to the Golden Era of Arcade Fightan' Games in the '90s, DoA 2, 3, and 4 were iconic titles in the Dreamcast, Xbox, and 360's libraries respectively, the series' frenetic, combo-oriented gameplay would give a DoA character a really distinct playstyle relative to the other Fighting game reps we've seen in Smash, and Ryu Hayabusa's popularity as a Smash request increases the possibility of Koei Tecmo characters generally for the next Smash. I know the series' sexualization would need to be turned down, but I don't think anything is too inherently risque when Bayonetta is a fighter. While I don't think DoA is necessarily a shoo-in, I still think it's in the running with the likes of Samurai Showdown, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, and Guilty Gear as far as fighting game franchises go.
MegaMan Volnutt does appear in MegaMan's Final Smash, if it matters. It has some notes(though few).
We were talking about content outside of the Final Smash. Like music, Mii costumes, Assist Trophies, etc.
Pretty good due to his widespread recognizability and popular appeal to both hardcores and casuals.
Depends how extended, and depends what Ryu Hayabusa came with. If he came with DoA content... I think that would really be an inauspicious sign. Though at the same time, I do think that's the likeliest way DoA actually gets content.
That's true, but there are a lot of series out there one can aptly sing the praises for. Yet it doesn't make them all top choices.
I agree most characters who would need some alterations for the good girls and boys aren't hugely hindered by that, and I don't think it would prohibit DoA either, but I do wonder if the more characters that need censorship (or omission), the more unlikely inclusion becomes.
I agree it's on par with some of those in terms of likelihood, but mostly because I think some of those are also pretty unlikely. These might be the most notable remaining (original) fighting game series, but the genre itself really only has a few "big" IPs, with the rest being pretty niche. When you look at all the series out there, something like SamSho seems pretty small.
Yeah, but ignoring EXE when you only have one Fighter makes sense. Even with up to 3 Fighters you could still justify it. But at 4, even EXE would deserve a bone.
Recency isn’t everything
Here's a thought experiment. Give every third-party franchise in Smash (with a playable character) three more playable characters. You can draw from KoF for Terry and Namco's larger arcade catalog for Pac-Man due to the fact Pac-Man and Fatal Fury's representation in Smash already draws so much from these sources.
- Big Boss (echo), Raiden (Revengence), Gray Fox
i dunno, i think getting rejected three times in a row says something
Recency isn't everything
Says fourth time's the charm
I think he was only rejected twiceRecency isn't everything
But Smash support isn't either
Most third-parties don't get in due to Smash support. These days, at least. Most get in just due to big notable characters/series.
If you get in via Smash support, you usually have to be basically right at the very top, unless you meet and overlap with some other criteria being sought after. Ryu Hayabusa is popular, but not that popular. I think he'd get in just through being generally notable, which is he much more so than Ryza.
Says fourth time's the charm
He was popular since Melee
I think he's... likely. But I also think people are overestimating his chances. Yes, he's popular, but Nintendo themselves don't seem to care much for him. The fact that a character like Ridley, who at LEAST had a somewhat-valid explaination for why he wasn't playable, got in before him despite a) Waluigi NOT having an explaination for why he's not in, and b) Waluigi being from a much more popular and beloved franchise (no offense Metroid) probably says a few things.
ok what i mean is them being give a deliberately different role from playable
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I think that’s exactly why. I think Daisy took significantly less development time being an echo than a completely original character like Waluigi. I personally view the echoes as bonus characters that don’t really take away any original character slots.
Ridley is Metroid's main antagonist, he's not some random. And he would've gotten in much earlier, probably as far back as Brawl, if his feasibility had not been an issue to Sakurai. Him getting in before Waluigi isn't weird, he never would've gotten as popular as he did if he wasn't seen as overdue.
The role that PP got was never going to go to Waluigi. Sakurai was deliberately looking for a surprise character. It's like saying "Sakurai added Ice Climbers before Wario". Because the slot ICs went for was allocated towards something Wario didn't fit.
Well but that gauge is a little flawed then if it only starts counting with Brawl, characters got passed over before then. Plus, I think Ridley got about as much as one could get in Melee if they weren't playable, which was a trophy and a role in the intro.
Daisy is playable for a very similar reason to why Dr. Mario is playable. They work as clones. Waluigi, not so much.
Yes, I agree. But as
Gengar84
points out clones should not "take slots away" because they're easy. Or easier at the very least. There's more to this story but what? Why is Wario stuck by himself? D:
I’m pretty confident that we’ll see Waluigi in the next Smash game. The constant fan support really helped in getting both K. Rool and Ridley and I think Sakurai is aware of how many people would love to see Waluigi as well. Even if, for some reason, he misses again in the next game, he is almost guaranteed to be playable at some point in the future. He’s near the top of the list as far as Mario characters go and each character that makes it in before him is one less he has to compete with.Yes, I agree. But as
Clones don't take slots away, they add slots. If a clone got in, an original character was never going to have that spot.Yes, I agree. But as
Lol yeah I read an article about that, just the thought of Nintendo being bought by anybody least of all Microsoft is frankly nauseating.
The audacity to suggest Nintendo, at one of their most successful points at one of their most successful consoles, will eventually cave, leave the hardware sector, and be bought by a company that, gaming-wise, hasn't really had their **** together since (or before) the 360 is both insulting and impressive.
Yeah, I agree. I do think it’s fair to point out that clones and echoes still take at least a little development time so it’s not entirely a bonus like I said before. I’m not sure exactly the comparison in dev time between an echo and a unique character but I would guess that we could probably get around five echoes for every one unique. Again, I could be way off but I that would be my guess.
Though the irony is that in Ultimate, they were all intended from the start, never being a Bonus Character. Their development time is still like one, though(as in how little it takes, not exactly when each one is made. Richter was created with Simon, though any other Echo may have been during the tail end of development too).
