Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[CannonStreak]

I'll eat my hat if Geno doesn't make the roster next game.

I don't even have a hat but I'll eat it anyway.

Eat the Geno hat in your avatar, then.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'll eat my hat if Geno doesn't make the roster next game.

I don't even have a hat but I'll eat it anyway.

You don't own a Geno hat?

Pfft...fake fan...

The only way Geno doesn't make it, is if Nintendo manage to get 2B and dribble CERO. Or if they wake up and decide to put one more FF charac-

Ah. ****.

Crono.

Welp, pack-it up guys, I think Geno isn't happening.

While I want Crono, I don't think he's likely without a CT remake.

Which they SHOULD do.

 

[kiteinthesky]

The only way Geno doesn't make it, is if Nintendo manage to get 2B and dribble CERO. Or if they wake up and decide to put one more FF charac-

Ah. ****.

Crono.

Welp, pack-it up guys, I think Geno isn't happening.

I want a Chrono Trigger remake so bad. With Dragon Quest style graphics.

Please, Square. Please, hear our call.

(A CT assist trophy in the next Smash would be great, too)

 

[CannonStreak]

Now, while we are on the topic about Geno...

I think Geno may have a shot of getting in next Smash. Now, even if one guy's post about remakes meaning not much for Smash and them meaning something is rare, I think this is a special case. I mean, Sakurai did consider Geno for Smash 4, and he has quite the fan demand, heard loudly when Geno's costume was in Ultimate as revealed in that Sephiroth video. If anything, it is kind of like how K. Rool and Ridley got in. Even if the circumstances between Geno, Ridley and K. Rool are different, one thing drives them all in terms of getting into Smash that you can't leave out; emotion. Emotion gets characters in, as it drives their fans' want for such a character to get in, and how else would they get in if fans do not have the emotions? In that case, the different circumstances, and logic against them will not overcome such emotion and desire. With that, emotion has proven logic wrong in the past about characters, too. It may depend on how well the Mario RPG remake sells, but in a way, Geno has been brought up again in some way, and that is good.

Plus, he could bring some things to the table like the timed hits, as I described in another post. Super Mario RPG, the first Mario RPG, did introduce the timed hits to at least the Mario RPG games, and that brings some importance in my eyes to Geno there.

 

[dream1ng]

Well, I said I thought, and more so, I knew the games for PM coming out every gen was another, yet bigger factor, anyway.

Like i said, though, the thing with remakes, is that I think most characters from them are already in the game in some form, and there are others who are not so, well, important from those remakes. So I think it depends on who we are talking about in terms of who gets in from a remake. I didn't directly say it was rare, yet it might be rarer than you think. There are not enough chances to have characters from remakes be important enough to be put in Smash.

And for the last part, I was not talking about Paper Mario, and I was about to talk about something else in that regard.

Right well Pokemon Gens up to 4, FE 1-3, OoT, MM, WW and LA, Super Star and RtDL, Paper Mario 64, LM, M&L SS and BiS, have all received remakes at one time or another. All those games have at least a supporting character that could've been added on par with if not above the character we're dancing around, in terms of importance.

Hasn't resulted in much on the roster, though. An appearance changing, occasionally.

It can happen. It's just very rarely meaningful to the extent of inclusion.

I didn't directly say it was rare, yet it might be rarer than you think.

It being rare is my point.

The only way Geno doesn't make it, is if Nintendo manage to get 2B and dribble CERO. Or if they wake up and decide to put one more FF charac-

Ah. ****.

Crono.

Welp, pack-it up guys, I think Geno isn't happening.

Well fwiw Geno def could happen but so far he's been passed over for Square characters that are more generally prominent and popular and it's not like they're out of those.

 

[CannonStreak]

Right well Pokemon Gens up to 4, FE 1-3, OoT, MM, WW and LA, Super Star and RtDL, Paper Mario 64, LM, M&L SS and BiS, have all received remakes at one time or another. All those games have at least a supporting character that could've been added on par with if not above the character we're dancing around, in terms of importance.

Hasn't resulted in much on the roster, though. An appearance changing, occasionally.

It can happen. It's just very rarely meaningful to the extent of inclusion.


It being rare is my point.


Well fwiw Geno def could happen but so far he's been passed over for Square characters that are more generally prominent and popular and it's not like they're out of those.

Either way, we are talking about the Paper Mario remake, and I said I acknowledged anything else like new games coming out every gen. I said that, multiple times.

Please don't ignore that. Typed or not, I know what I was talking about.

 

[Perkilator]

In celebration of the Paper Mario remaster, can we talk about Paper Mario as a fighter?

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

 

[CannonStreak]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

About Paper Mario, though...

I am surprised he is not playable in Smash Bros. yet.

 

[kiteinthesky]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

Waluigi used to annoy the hell out of me, but over the years, I have warmed up to him, and would like to see him on the roster as well as Geno.

The Mario section of the roster feels off and out of place without him.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

Let's start with the iconic Mario character: Mighty Plumber

Spoiler

/j

 

[fogbadge]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

TOAD!

 

[YeppersPeppers]

It's her time...

...to be an assist trophy.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Honestly I love Waluigi as much as the next guy but Toad (of some form or another) feels almost necessary at this point to the point where I think you could make a somewhat reasonable argument that he's been an obvious inclusion since, like, Brawl

 

[kiteinthesky]

So apparently it seems that SMRPG remake might have be done by the Kingdom Hearts team.

That explain the quality and attention to detail...nice.

If that's true, then I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to see Geno and Mallow in a Kingdom Hearts game at some point.

That'd almost be as impactful as Geno making the Smash roster.

 

[Pacack]

Sorry, disregard this, I posted a draft.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

It's her time...

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...to be an assist trophy.

Im cool with that.

Mostly because ive never played her game.

 

[fogbadge]

Im cool with that.

Mostly because ive never played her game.

play it

 

[Perkilator]

Guys, I just thought about F-ZERO 99 and got a horrible idea: Smash Bros. 99, a port of Ultimate with the roster totaling up to 99 characters and a 99 mode

 

[CannonStreak]

Guys, I just thought about F-ZERO 99 and got a horrible idea: Smash Bros. 99, a port of Ultimate with the roster totaling up to 99 characters and a 99 mode

If that happens, then creator of the cosmos, help us all...

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

I was probably thinking there was competition between Geno and Paper Mario since you can argue either of them can rep the Mario RPGs by themselves.

I know Sakurai likely doesn't think about it the same way though. They could both make it in easily.

 

[TheQuester]

The only way Geno doesn't make it, is if Nintendo manage to get 2B and dribble CERO. Or if they wake up and decide to put one more FF charac-

Ah. ****.

Crono.

Welp, pack-it up guys, I think Geno isn't happening.

We can get Geno base game and Tifa, 2B or Crono as DLC.

As for 2B, I think they could just use this costume for 2B, just unite the skirt and it will be fine, i don't think 2B's outfit is that problematic tbh.

 

[FazDude]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

My picks include...

• Waluigi
• Toad
• Paper Mario
• MC Ballyhoo (I think a Mario Party rep would be really funny)

 

[Wonder Smash]

Now, while we are on the topic about Geno...

I think Geno may have a shot of getting in next Smash. Now, even if one guy's post about remakes meaning not much for Smash and them meaning something is rare, I think this is a special case. I mean, Sakurai did consider Geno for Smash 4, and he has quite the fan demand, heard loudly when Geno's costume was in Ultimate as revealed in that Sephiroth video. If anything, it is kind of like how K. Rool and Ridley got in. Even if the circumstances between Geno, Ridley and K. Rool are different, one thing drives them all in terms of getting into Smash that you can't leave out; emotion. Emotion gets characters in, as it drives their fans' want for such a character to get in, and how else would they get in if fans do not have the emotions? In that case, the different circumstances, and logic against them will not overcome such emotion and desire. With that, emotion has proven logic wrong in the past about characters, too. It may depend on how well the Mario RPG remake sells, but in a way, Geno has been brought up again in some way, and that is good.

Plus, he could bring some things to the table like the timed hits, as I described in another post. Super Mario RPG, the first Mario RPG, did introduce the timed hits to at least the Mario RPG games, and that brings some importance in my eyes to Geno there.

With the remake, the fan demand which could very well increase because of the remake, and Sakurai once considering him as far back as Smash 4, I also say Geno definitely has a shot.

 

[Gengar84]

I want a Chrono Trigger remake so bad. With Dragon Quest style graphics.

Please, Square. Please, hear our call.

(A CT assist trophy in the next Smash would be great, too)

Same here. I’d prefer Dragon Ball FighterZ graphics but I’ll gladly take a remake either way. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games ever. I’d also love to see a sequel as well but I’m not sure how much faith I still have in modern Square-Enix not to disappoint. Even if we didn’t get a Smash character out of it, a 3D remake would at least give us models we could use for mods.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I have to wonder if Square Enix is keeping a CT remake in their back pocket for a particular financial quarter as its probably the most famous 4th through 6th generation era SE RPG to not be playable on Switch. Something like it a major DQ title could easily make bank on a Switch 2 opening year.

 

[EarlTamm]

You know, after seeing that FFVII Rebirth trailer, I am really wondering on the possibility of Zack getting into the next Smash as an echo fighter of Cloud.

 

[Gengar84]

You know, after seeing that FFVII Rebirth trailer, I am really wondering on the possibility of Zack getting into the next Smash as an echo fighter of Cloud.

Yeah, Zack would make a pretty cool echo. I imagine echoes are quick and easy enough for them to make that I don’t see any reason we couldn’t get a lot more in later games. They’re basically alternate outfits with minimal gameplay changes, except for Ken which kind of stretches the definition of echo.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yeah, Zack would make a pretty cool echo. I imagine echoes are quick and easy enough for them to make that I don’t see any reason we couldn’t get a lot more in later games. They’re basically alternate outfits with minimal gameplay changes, except for Ken which kind of stretches the definition of echo.

I aprove of us getting more echoes, its good for characters who probably wouldnt be considered otherwise

 

[Perkilator]

I aprove of us getting more echoes, its good for characters who probably wouldnt be considered otherwise

Well, for me, preferably Echoes that are more like Ken; less time to develop than an outright newcomer, but still different enough from their parent fighter.

 

[Sucumbio]

That trombone game tho.... hahaha God it sounds just as harsh on the ears as the wolf gimmick in TP....

... so let's make it an AT!

 

[DarthEnderX]

I want a Chrono Trigger remake so bad. With Dragon Quest style graphics.

Please, Square. Please, hear our call.

I want a Chrono Trigger remake so bad. With Dragon Ball FighterZ style graphics.

Please, Square. Please, take our energy.

 

[CannonStreak]

Speaking of Chrono Trigger, how many games has the main character of Chrono Trigger, Chrono, starred in any game other than the first? I am talking about the protagonist of the first game, not anyone from, maybe, Chrono Cross or any games after Chrono Trigger that might be different.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Speaking of Chrono Trigger, how many games has the main character of Chrono Trigger, Chrono, starred in any game other than the first? I am talking about the protagonist of the first game, not anyone from, maybe, Chrono Cross or any games after Chrono Trigger that might be different.

There's only 2 Chrono Games. Trigger and Cross. And Crono isn't really in CC.

I guess Radical Dreamers is also technically a thing. But it's barely a game and Cross sort of makes it obsolete.

 

[CannonStreak]

There's only 2 Chrono Games. Trigger and Cross. And Crono isn't really in CC.

I guess Radical Dreamers is also technically a thing. But it's barely a game and Cross sort of makes it obsolete.

Exactly! With that, I am beginning to think Chrono from Chrono Trigger is more so very obscure as a character, with the likes of those like Geno. In fact, I would dare say he may have less of a shot at getting in the Smash Bros. game than not only the obscure characters from Square Enix like Geno, but the more used, modern, more popular characters that Square Enix often uses as well. Just a thought here.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Bill and Lance would be a fun one-two like the Belmonts were. I’d be stoked to see them but I’d also love to see Bomberman. It’s crazy how many excellent properties Konami still has that could be great choices.

 

[Perkilator]

Bill and Lance would be a fun one-two like the Belmonts were. I’d be stoked to see them but I’d also love to see Bomberman. It’s crazy how many excellent properties Konami still has that could be great choices.

Heck, there’s still the possibility of an AT promotion for Alucard, even.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ah, heck with it. Let’s talk Mario reps in general.

Paper Mario - The Origami King, The Thousand-Year Door

Geno - Super Mario RPG

Toad - Super Mario Bros. Wonder, New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 2, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury, possibly Mario vs. Donkey Kong

Toadette (Echo Fighter of Toad with Peachette Final Smash) - Super Mario Bros. Wonder, New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass Wave 6

These four, I think, are strong contenders.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Paper Mario - The Origami King, The Thousand-Year Door

Geno - Super Mario RPG

Toad - Super Mario Bros. Wonder, New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 2, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury, possibly Mario vs. Donkey Kong

Toadette (Echo Fighter of Toad with Peachette Final Smash) - Super Mario Bros. Wonder, New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass Wave 6

These four, I think, are strong contenders.

I think Paper Mario would be the most fun.

 

[Gengar84]

Exactly! With that, I am beginning to think Chrono from Chrono Trigger is more so very obscure as a character, with the likes of those like Geno. In fact, I would dare say he may have less of a shot at getting in the Smash Bros. game than not only the obscure characters from Square Enix like Geno, but the more used, modern, more popular characters that Square Enix often uses as well. Just a thought here.

I’ve mentioned it a few times here that while Crono was the protagonist of the first game, and thus probably the most likely character in the series to get in Smash, Magus was at least planned to have a major role in all three games.

Chrono series spoilers:

Spoiler

Magus was the early main antagonist in Chrono Trigger and could be optionally recruited later on (I’m not sure if that was a first in gaming). He was the only returning character in Radical Dreamers and one of three main characters along with Serge and Kid (the protagonists from Chrono Cross). He was originally planned to have a major role in Chrono Cross but the story had to be dropped for time constraints. What was originally meant to be Magus was changed to be his own character in Guile. Later releases of Chrono Trigger hint that the two may still be the same character. The final boss of Chrono Cross also has a strong connection to Magus as Lavos controlling Magus’ sister, Schala.

So, in conclusion, while Crono is very important for being the protagonist, I personally think Magus is more important to the series as a whole. I’m also admittedly biased as Magus is one of my favorite characters in gaming but that’s how I’ve always looked at it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Exactly! With that, I am beginning to think Chrono from Chrono Trigger is more so very obscure as a character, with the likes of those like Geno.

That's like saying Charles Foster Kane is an obscure character because he was never in a Citizen Kane sequel.

Chrono Trigger is still considered to this day one of the best video games ever created. Regardless of SE's inability to successfully follow up on it. And it's main character is never going to be obscure.