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Sonic was the only series to have two stages (before they added Sephiroth), his treatment isn't all that bad. Yeah, he needs a new Side B and maybe a few remixes, but people act like Sakurai ****ing hates Sonic and is only giving it crumbs.
That are literally the first zones of the first game and Lost World (the most forgettable Sonic game).
He was also one of the only two third party characters in Brawl. Sonic has a ton of history with Nintendo and Mario. First as the mascot for Nintendo’s biggest rival console at the time and then tons of crossovers with Mario with the Olympic Games. I feel like Sonic is near the top of the list for third party franchises likely to get a second character.
I really want Chemical Plant Zone. I feel like Smash has this problem in general, always defaulting to the intro stages or themes. Mario and Donkey Kong are two other glaring examples. It’s a shame because later stages can be so unique and interesting.
You call dual-wielding and swinging a tennis racket and golf club, throwing items from shells, bob-ombs and whatnot, creating tornadoes, summoning purple vines and using them as blockades or whips and swimming in clear air a moveset?
People need to consider that there's exterior circumstances that affect decisions.
Maybe a hot take but the obligatory Breath of the Wild stage just taking place on top of a tower was rather disappointing. It's not even super fun to fight on once the top part breaks. They could've done way more interesting things, like a shrine interior.
I feel that way about a lot of Ultimate stages. Too many are basically Battlefield variants with everything interesting happening in the background. I prefer stages that make you feel like you’re actually playing in the environment itself.
apart from the power ups in 3d world and the new series. and all the stuff in all the spin offs
Are any of those specific to Toad or are they shared by all playable characters in those games? I’m not saying you can’t make an interesting moveset for Toad, just that he doesn’t have much that makes more him unique moveset wise than Waluigi.
My stance on Sonic getting a second character is one that changed dramatically when Sephiroth was revealed. Before then, I used to think that the only way any already-represented 3rd party franchise could get more than one fighter was via Echoes, as was the case with Ken and Richter. Something like Shadow as an Echo is still very much feasible, but something like Eggman as a unique character is just as valid (though I will admit Sephiroth’s reveal skewed me towards the latter).
Let me put it this way: this is like saying you can’t have gengar cause mewtwo has shadow ball and greninja has shadow sneak
I never said you couldn’t have Toad. It just seemed silly to me to knock Waluigi for lack of a unique moveset when Toad has the exact same issue.
Oh I do beg your pardon
No worries. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
lol true, it's to the point where I'm surprised they didn't just pick something based off the first world of Splatoon's story mode's aesthetic and call it a day for that game's stage. At least it means stages like Mementos and Northern Cave have unique platform layouts for when people wanna have less casual battles.
In absolute fairness to Toad, he is pretty heavily associated with power ups, and has been since Super Mario Bros. 3, where he was in charge of the item houses. Several power ups being mushrooms (like the Propeller Mushroom, for example, which also calls back to Toad's first platformer playable appearance since SMB2) also furthers the connections to Toad.
Interesting. I never realized that there was a widely agreed upon Toad moveset at one point. You make a good case that Toad is specifically tied to power ups thanks to Mario 3. Perhaps Toad could lean into the various power ups from the mainline games while Waluigi focuses on representing elements from the sports and kart games. I always imagined that Toad, Toadette, and Captain Toad would all share a slot with a moveset that pulls from both the mainline games as well as Captain Toad.
Yeah, the context of the time period is fairly important imo. This was the post-Brawl pre-Villager-and-Mega-Man period where moveset design was fairly straightforward (with non-special projectiles being unheard of lmao) which led to some characters having sort of de-facto fan movesets. Some folks still had differing interpretations, but by and large a lot of them were incredibly similar.
I don't think that's true, though. In the most technical sense, there is nothing stopping them from keeping Toad in Peach's moveset while still also having a playable Toad. And doing that actually makes a lot of sense since the Toads are a race; there is the one main Toad who would be playable and the Toads used in Peach's moveset would just be random Toads. Though it's not like it needs to make sense anyway since Smash allows mirror matches and playable Chrom alongside FS Chrom...
I understand what you mean but that doesn't mean much if at all when both stages are Green Hill 1 and 2
Yeah. You say that as if we hadn't had wackier before. This is par for the course.
Moray Towers is actually disgusting man in Ultimate. Whlist fun to play in Splatoon 2, it definitely doesn't translate well into Smash. I just hope they stick to something like Inkopolis Plaza or Octo Valley.
I need Bass to be at least an Echo. I want all the Super Mario Crossover characters to be playable in Smash!
Toad at least has his own entire game.
Yeah, that’s totally understandable that if a franchise only gets one stage, it’s usually the intro stage. It’s when a single franchise starts getting multiple stages and all of them follow the same theme. Once we have one intro stage for a series, they should mix things up for the others. Having so many grassy hill areas for Mario and jungles for Donkey Kong gets kind of boring. Metroid has a similar issue where most of its stages are lava areas when the games have so many other interesting biomes.
at least some franchises avoided coming with their starting areas. megaman coming with his final level and kingdom hearts coming with it's penultimate world. then again hollow bastion does turn into the tutorial area so it has it both ways.
I feel like that's a side effect of bringing back virtually every stage. Previously, e very Smash game added a new Grassy Mario stage, Jungle DK stage, Lava Metroid stage, Pokemon Stadium, etc. because those are part of the base series' identity. It doesn't really matter that a previous Smash game had a simmilar stage, because retro stages were treated as something distinct, rare and separate from the normal ones. This perception started to change in Smash 4 and was completely broken in Ultimate, as more and more old stages came back and the repetition started to become an issue. Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Kingdom 2, Mushroomy Kingdom, Golden Plains, and Mushroom Kingdom 2 were never supposed to coexist - but they do now.
I mean if you actually have the rare chance to play with 8 players (maybe even just 6) at once, they're super fun. Just not very useful otherwise, sadly.
I think Hyrule Temple is the perfect size for a larger stage. Great Cave offensive and Palutena’s Temple are fun to play around on once in a while but I have a harder time seeing my character with how big the stages are. Palutena’s Temple also takes a bit too long to get a KO. I used to hate playing on New Pork City in Brawl because it was hard to see the platforms but it’s a lot better in Ultimate in my opinion. It’s cool to have a few giant stages like that but I think Hyrule Temple should be the default for larger stages.
I gotta agree with you there. It’s also the old favourite in my circle of friends, probably why I was grinning like an idiot when I first played as sora on it
Nah, stages like Corneria definitely feel smaller than they used to be. And speaking of, Cloud Sea of Alrest feels smaller than it should be. I know Azurda wasn’t as big of a Titan as the others, but even then, as a stage, he feels too small for even four players.
