Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Hadokeyblade]

Street fighter can be pretty cartoony at times, but darkstalkers is a notch above that. I'm just saying there's a reason not to cross the streams because I don't think the right tone for each series can be done at the same time. Like does SF6's setting involving the rapid development of a developing nation and shadaloo stroking tension there for nefarious gains really benefit from confirmation that cartoon fish men and werewolves are running around in the background? Yes it's not a serious drama but throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the roster is best reserved for something like a Capcom vs; I take issue with sf6's roster but more often than not the characters can serve the world and ongoing plot as well as they serve the gameplay.

Though if Morrigan came in as a guest and had a subplot of debatably canonicity in there... Well Id look the other way for that.

I can kinda imagine her showing up in her human disguise and deliberately holding back because she enjoys messing with people

INB4 they start having scientists build fighting robots so an alt universe Mega Man can also be cannon in the background.

But they don't ever add Mega Man since Seth already exists. Instead, they add Cut Man, who fits right in since he knows kung fu.

Both series have had some connections in the past so that wouldn't be too out of place if they did that.

 

[Kirbeh]

Let's not forget that Captain Commando and Ruby Heart are technically connected to Street Fighter too.

Honestly though, aside from Final Fight, (Slam Masters by extension) and Rival Schools, I don't treat any of this "x and y are in the same universe!" as anything more than the devs being cheeky and creating little easter egg nods just for the hell of it.

It's clearly not meant to be taken seriously. It's more of a "wouldn't it be cool if-" sort of thing.

According to all the devs involved, SF, FF/KoF, and Tekken all take place in the same world but we all know that doesn't make any actual sense.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Wasn't that said before Ultimate came out, though? Not saying that EiH2 is going to happen, but things have changed since then.
Remember that Sakurai though Villager was unfit to battle in Brawl and he added him to the next game, anyways.

There's a pretty big difference between personal hangups about whether a character fits as a fighter and questioning if something that was taxing on development is possible again with a lot more to factor in.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

My understanding, according to people that actually read Japanese, is that that chart isn't about which games share a universe, it's about which games' development and creators led to the creation of other games.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Wasn't that said before Ultimate came out, though? Not saying that EiH2 is going to happen, but things have changed since then.
Remember that Sakurai though Villager was unfit to battle in Brawl and he added him to the next game, anyways.

If he did, that would mean even MORE has been added to a potential EIH2 than there already was when he said it was unlikely.

Not sure why that would suddenly make it more likely.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

I think it's going to be somewhere between Regular Sequel and Reboot - I don't think an Ultimate Deluxe or FP3 would generate the same attention (or profit) that an entirely new entry would, or move people to buy Switch 2s in the same numbers. Everyone is Here 2 would be fun but at a certain point it's going to become untenable - the game will have to remain stagnant in many ways to keep this going, it's a legal nightmare to navigate, all it takes is one uncooperative party to ruin the entire approach.

I also think there's a small chance that they treat it like a live-service game in a way - a reboot with an initially small roster, but they keep it updating and being supported through the entirety of the Switch 2's lifecycle. I don't want this or expect it necessarily but stranger things have happened - it's the one way I could see them navigating the cuts / reboot backlash: the promise that more will continue to be added for years and years.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Capcom will later clarify everything by revealing that Darkstalkers is canon to Street Fighter...




...Street Fighter 2010 that is, and that the various monsters coming to Earth is the same science that allows characters to move from planet to planet in that game.

Get ready for the Kevin Straker/Morrigan fan art explosion:

 

[RileyXY1]

If he did, that would mean even MORE has been added to a potential EIH2 than there already was when he said it was unlikely.

Not sure why that would suddenly make it more likely.

It would lead to even more new content having to be sacrificed to make way for the old, much like how Ultimate in the base game only had 11 newcomers (6 of which were clones) and only four new stages.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

According to all the devs involved, SF, FF/KoF, and Tekken all take place in the same world but we all know that doesn't make any actual sense.

Along with Soul Calibur, Samurai Shodown and Digimon.

 

[Perkilator]

According to all the devs involved, SF, FF/KoF, and Tekken all take place in the same world but we all know that doesn't make any actual sense.

Along with Soul Calibur, Samurai Shodown and Digimon.

For most of these franchises, this is at least true in Project X Zone.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

For most of these franchises, this is at least true in Project X Zone.

I find it fascinating, Tekken shares a universe with soul calibur who collabed with Samurai showdown which exists in the same universe as KOF which collabed with Tekken.

Lily from Tekken is a digidestined in one of the mainline Digimon games

 

[Shinuto]

I find it fascinating, Tekken shares a universe with soul calibur who collabed with Samurai showdown which exists in the same universe as KOF which collabed with Tekken.

Lily from Tekken is a digidestined in one of the mainline Digimon games

What?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

What?

this is the Digimon Lily was sattled with

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

this is the Digimon Lily was sattled with

Even sillier; this thing eventually would end up becoming a literal embodiment of the sin of Lust.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

I think regular sequel is the most likely and probably the most expected option. Same with Soft Reboot as the second most likely.

Ultimate Deluxe and Fighters Pass 3 are the least likely in my opinion. Same with Everyone is here 2 and a Hard Reboot for the series

 

[Ivander]

Even sillier; this thing eventually would end up becoming a literal embodiment of the sin of Lust.

And people have issues with a cat becoming bipedal. I couldn't imagine their state if they ever saw this.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Rival Schools had implications due to the Sakura guest appearance in the first one before it was made very clear with Akira in SFV

Actually, SF's director just recently stated that Akira was herself a Guest Character in SF5. Which means her appearance there may not be canon.

Zeku seems to be implied to be the very first Strider, and thus retroactively being the origins of the Strider franchise

Implied but not confirmed. He considers Striders as a name for his new group, but then dismisses it.

And now we got Darkstalkers.

Like I said earlier, supposedly that chart isn't about which games share a universe, it's about which games inspired the creation of the other games.


Personally, here's what Capcom games I think SHOULD share a universe:
1. Street Fighter/Final Fight/Rival Schools/Slam Masters
2. Darkstalkers/Ghosts 'n Goblins/Red Earth
3. Strider/Bionic Commando/Captain Commando

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Implied but not confirmed. He considers Striders as a name for his new group, but then dismisses it.

This feels too much like a semantics argument, there's more bits implying this is canon than there are implying it isnt canon

 

[DarthEnderX]

This feels too much like a semantics argument, there's more bits implying this is canon than there are implying it isnt canon

The difference between something being implied vs. being confirmed is anything but semantic.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Implied but not confirmed. He considers Striders as a name for his new group, but then dismisses it.

His young form has Hiryu's outfit, some of his specials not only look but are outright named after Hiryu's Gram special from Mahvel (he might also do it in the Strider games but I never played those) and one of the titles you can only to show off in online matches is literally "Original Strider" with his face on it.

If Zeku's not meant to be a big ol' origin story for the Strider group, then we're being trolled so hard by Capcom right now.

A message doesn't have to be spelled out in order for it to be clear.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

RUMOR: Rumblings of a Switch 1-focused Nintendo Direct surface again

Here we go again!

gonintendo.com

Apparently, a Switch 1 Direct may happen this week. To believe or not to believe?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

RUMOR: Rumblings of a Switch 1-focused Nintendo Direct surface again

Here we go again!

gonintendo.com

Apparently, a Switch 1 Direct may happen this week. To believe or not to believe?

The only way this would make sense is if the Switch 2 Direct had no games, which itself is a ridiculous scenario

 

[CosmicEternity44]

The only way this would make sense is if the Switch 2 Direct had no games, which itself is a ridiculous scenario

Well, as I forgot to say in my last post, I am very much leaning not believing in this.

 

[Perkilator]

The only way this would make sense is if the Switch 2 Direct had no games, which itself is a ridiculous scenario

I mean, even though I don't necessarily believe it, I don't think it would be too ridiculous if a Switch 1 Direct happened. Especially since the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible, so it's not like the Switch 1 will cease support all together.

In fact, in a way, this could be kinda smart. With a Switch 1 Direct out of the way, you can break out the big guns with the Switch 2 Direct more easily (for lack of a better way to put it).

 

[Hadokeyblade]

The difference between something being implied vs. being confirmed is anything but semantic.

Honestly the way you deny this reminds me of how people deny that Android 21 was made into a canonical Dragon ball character in the manga long after her game debut. Even though a photo of her was seen in said manga

 

[Dukefire]

RUMOR: Rumblings of a Switch 1-focused Nintendo Direct surface again

Here we go again!

gonintendo.com

Apparently, a Switch 1 Direct may happen this week. To believe or not to believe?

I'll take that with caution. Next week Wednesday is Switch 2's direct. So, that appearing does raise eyebrows.....

Spoiler

 

[Ivander]

It's kinda funny that a whole possibility of a Capcom crossover between two of it's series came up recently, because it became the reason why I got Marvel Rivals.

At first, I was like, "Hmm, I'm not really in a rush to get it. Sure, playing Overwatch after a long time has kinda got me wanting to try it since Overwatch got me having fun again with this kind of game, but I don't know anybody interested in playing it and there aren't that many characters who I'm particularly interested in. I guess I can wait for now." Then I saw this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/capcom/comments/1jid96r/marvel_rivals_vs_capcom_by_jaeon009/

And then I'm like:

".....It's going to happen at some point............time to download and horde everything."

RUMOR: Rumblings of a Switch 1-focused Nintendo Direct surface again

Here we go again!

gonintendo.com

Apparently, a Switch 1 Direct may happen this week. To believe or not to believe?

It'll happen if it happens.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean, even though I don't necessarily believe it, I don't think it would be too ridiculous if a Switch 1 Direct happened. Especially since the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible, so it's not like the Switch 1 will cease support all together.

In fact, in a way, this could be kinda smart. With a Switch 1 Direct out of the way, you can break out the big guns with the Switch 2 Direct more easily (for lack of a better way to put it).

Yeah but two entire full-size Directs? Back-to-back?

I find it hard to believe. Which, given my track record, means this will 100% happen.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as the rumored presentation, I didn't think anything could make a general direct not seem exciting but doing one this close to the Switch 2 showcase just feels "meh". A month ago, when there was little to discuss and right between DKC Returns HD and Xenoblade X it would have felt significant. Now? It would come off as Nintendo suddenly realizing they need to pad out the calendar before the next console releases, so here's one last presentation to give some idea of what's happening in spring and early summer.

My honest guess is a Partner Showcase with various third-party ports/small projects to basically fulfill contracts with developers that wanted some kind of current gen presentation for them before Switch 2 launches.

 

[DarthEnderX]

A message doesn't have to be spelled out in order for it to be clear.

But it does have to be spelled out to qualify as being "confirmed".

Several implications does not equal a confirmation.

Honestly the way you deny this reminds me of how people deny that Android 21 was made into a canonical Dragon ball character in the manga long after her game debut. Even though a photo of her was seen in said manga

I mean, they are technically correct.

The photo only makes canon the fact Gero had a wife named Vomi and that she looks the same as Android 21. It does NOT make Android 21's existence canon, because it doesn't confirm that Vomi was either turned into an android, or had an android built in her image.

Vomi is canon. Android 21 is still, currently, not.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Leave it to Nintendo to find a way to confuse the casual audience and take the wind out of the sails of the Switch 2 reveal with confusing moves. I wish I could say I'd be shocked.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

RUMOR: Rumblings of a Switch 1-focused Nintendo Direct surface again

Here we go again!

gonintendo.com

Apparently, a Switch 1 Direct may happen this week. To believe or not to believe?

People have been saying this since the Switch 2 got shown off as a "last hurrah" type deal, but like the only thing we have no confirmation on a date or time frame that we know is a Switch release right now is literally just Prime 4 lol

Plus yeah Switch 2 Direct is in 10 days, so being like "hey guys look at these new games, you should buy a switch!" is ludicrous lmao

 

[Ivander]

I don't see why they can't advertise Switch 1 stuff still when the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible. Which is certainly more favourable for those games compared to what happened with the Switch and the 3DS/Wii U.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The one possibility I can think of is that perhaps a presentation was meant for a month ago, but was delayed and being done now to fulfill agreements with third parties.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't see why they can't advertise Switch 1 stuff still when the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible. Which is certainly more favourable for those games compared to what happened with the Switch and the 3DS/Wii U.

I mean if they have stuff to advertise, sure, but if they do, they still shouldn't do a Switch 1 Direct when the first Switch 2 Direct is literally a week and a half from now lol

They probably would've done something in February I imagine since it was pretty open outside of Pokemon Day at the end of the month.

 

[Wonder Smash]

His young form has Hiryu's outfit, some of his specials not only look but are outright named after Hiryu's Gram special from Mahvel (he might also do it in the Strider games but I never played those) and one of the titles you can only to show off in online matches is literally "Original Strider" with his face on it.

If Zeku's not meant to be a big ol' origin story for the Strider group, then we're being trolled so hard by Capcom right now.

A message doesn't have to be spelled out in order for it to be clear.

It's not that Capcom is trolling people. These just seemed to be nothing more than just fun references that Capcom likes to make in their games and not as deep as people make it out to be. Until Capcom actually confirms otherwise, that's just the way it is. Keep in mind that both Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick have a dog named Missile but this doesn't mean that they're the same character, as you can obviously see just by looking at them. Asura's Wrath has a good number of Street Fighter cameos (outside of Ryu and Akuma's appearances) but that doesn't mean it's part of the Street Fighter universe.

It's definitely not out of the possibility that Strider is part of the SF universe but it's also not confirmed either.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, I can't read lmao

But still, it's true. Just because he's based on a non-gaming character doesn't mean he is one.

What's next? Cutting Mario and DK because the original Donkey Kong started off as a Popeye game and thus is inspired by non-gaming media?

Might be an exaggeration but like, I just don't see how Castlevania's Dracula could ever be a problem solely because Bram Stoker thought of Dracula a century before Konami did, doubly so when his story is now public domain... or that Stoker may have taken notes from the real-life Vlad III for the character.

 

[ninjahmos]

I think it'd be pretty cool if the next Smash game not only used a cel-shaded graphical style, but also took a Shonen-style approach to its presentation.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think it'd be pretty cool if the next Smash game not only used a cel-shaded graphical style, but also took a Shonen-style approach to its presentation.

We won't need Goku when Lucario throws out the Kamehameha in this new game.

 

[DarthEnderX]

On the subject of Darkstalkers being inthe Street Fighter universe. It's not, as this quote explains:

Sorry for the excitement among Vampire fans, but this does not point to the fact that both works share the same world, but merely to the correlation between Capcom's creators who made these works (or the creative ideas behind them). They are just looking back at Capcom's creative history, citing the fact that the fighting game called Vampire (Darkstalkers) was born out of the Street Fighter lineage. It is important to keep in mind that the exhibit itself is a comprehensive retrospective of Capcom's forty years of creative history.

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It's not that Capcom is trolling people. These just seemed to be nothing more than just fun references that Capcom likes to make in their games and not as deep as people make it out to be. Until Capcom actually confirms otherwise, that's just the way it is.

This. People are confusing fun easter eggs with deliberate lore connections.

Eagle's Pet Shop in RE3make does not mean RE and SF share a universe.